[01:51:03] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3TimedMediaHandler: WebVideoJobRunner silently fails to pick up transcode jobs under HHVM - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67973 (10Brion Vibber) 3NEW p:3Unprio s:3normal a:3None In MediaWiki-Vagrant with 'timedmediahandler' role enabled, manually running WebVideoJobRunner f...
[02:41:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Brion VIBBER: Work in progress: early testing of integration with ogv.js media player [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/145756 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61823) 
[02:42:31] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3TimedMediaHandler: Support ogv.js in player - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61823#c7 (10Brion Vibber) I have a live sample wiki running with the patch on labs: http://ogvjs-testing.wmflabs.org/  Still some more work to do, but the basics are working. :D
[03:26:46] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Gergő Tisza: Transclude expand button text in help message instead of copying it [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146013 
[03:53:31] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3MultimediaViewer: Unexpected outbound link from image summary field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67896#c5 (10Tisza Gergő) Thanks for upstreaming!  I don't think this should have been a blocker for deployment. To avoid the Nirvana fallacy, one should compare the cost a feature b...
[05:12:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Gergő Tisza: [C: 04-1] "This will include users who are inactive for years, so the ratio is not very meaningful. Also I feel uncomfortable about using tsv files a" [analytics/multimedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/145595 (owner: 10MarkTraceur)
[05:16:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Gergő Tisza: [C: 032] "Nice!" [analytics/multimedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/145608 (owner: 10MarkTraceur)
[05:16:48] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Use preference change events instead of our own [analytics/multimedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/145608 (owner: 10MarkTraceur)
[06:31:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Nemo bis: Transclude expand button text in help message instead of copying it [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146013 (owner: 10Gergő Tisza)
[06:31:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Nemo bis: [C: 031] "Thanks" [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146013 (owner: 10Gergő Tisza)
[08:37:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Gergő Tisza: Add graphs for opt-outs (031 comment) [analytics/multimedia/config] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/145599 (owner: 10MarkTraceur)
[10:11:02] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3TimedMediaHandler: WebVideoJobRunner silently fails to pick up transcode jobs under HHVM - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67973 (10Andre Klapper) p:5Unprio>3Normal
[10:20:01] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3TimedMediaHandler: Player shows "12:60" instead of "13:00" briefly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67882 (10Andre Klapper) p:5Unprio>3Low
[12:57:02] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki / 3File management: Support for WAV and AIFF by converting files to FLAC automatically. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20252#c11 (10Quim Gil) CCing the Multimedia team is becoming more complex as they grow.  ;) Anyway, what do you think?
[13:11:12] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Mdale: [C: 032 V: 032] "Tested, and looks pretty safe." [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/145875 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67937) (owner: 10Brion VIBBER)
[13:14:17] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3UploadWizard: Upload Wizard release "elvis" (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36680 (10Andre Klapper) 5NEW>3RESO/WOR
[13:16:47] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3UploadWizard: Upload Wizard: Allow easier integration of "community tools" (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38427#c1 (10Andre Klapper) 5NEW>3RESO/WOR This bug is "tracking" exactly one issue which can also be tracked by directly tracking that issue instead. Hence I'm...
[13:32:49] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3UploadWizard: Upload Wizard release "elvis" (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36680#c1 (10Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia) Is "elvis" a release name? Is that documented?
[13:34:18] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3UploadWizard: Upload Wizard: Allow integration of "community tools" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38428#c1 (10Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia) Bug 38427 was closed, hence this gets the generic heading. Events or hooks, handlers or whatever is required but in a well-thought fram...
[13:40:32] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3TimedMediaHandler: TimedMediaHandler media players show as "Error missing media source" under HHVM - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67937 (10Brion Vibber) 5PATC>3RESO/FIX
[14:13:48] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3UploadWizard: Upload Wizard release "elvis" (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36680#c2 (10Andre Klapper) I think it was (bug 26076 comment 22 implies so) in 2012.
[15:03:16] <marktraceur>	 All right children
[15:03:22] <marktraceur>	 What the hell needs fixing today
[15:06:38] <marktraceur>	 Huh, somehow all of my cards remain in ACR
[15:22:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10MarkTraceur: "We should chat about what medium you'd prefer - I'm guessing this is why you wanted another database table, but that sounds nasty and unne" [analytics/multimedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/145595 (owner: 10MarkTraceur)
[15:26:24] <rillke>	 bd808, can you merge https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/140732/ ?
[15:28:48] * bd808 looks
[15:31:10] <marktraceur>	 y'alls bad at yer mingle tickets
[15:31:36] * rillke is in Bryan's dept
[15:32:26] <marktraceur>	 Hm rillke?
[15:33:21] <bd808>	 rillke: {{done}] see the comment :)
[15:33:35] <rillke>	 thank you :)
[15:35:03] <rillke>	 marktraceur, ?
[15:37:28] <marktraceur>	 rillke: I didn't understand your comment :)
[15:38:46] * rillke is causing so much work to you already busy guys ..., marktraceur
[15:38:57] <marktraceur>	 bd808: /w/index.php?title=Template:done%7D%5D%20see%20the%20comment%20%3A)&action=edit&redlink=1
[15:39:12] <marktraceur>	 rillke: Naw, it's okay, it's part of the job
[15:39:48] <bd808>	 marktraceur: my irc client needs a lint or at least preview :)
[15:39:57] <marktraceur>	 Absolutely
[15:40:20] <marktraceur>	 (and that's totally not what wikitext would output, but anyway)
[15:43:49] <rillke>	 marktraceur, what are your thoughts about https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/145420/ -- I think it's wrong adding messages to an extension which the extension itself does not use
[15:45:07] <marktraceur>	 Yeah, that's weird.
[15:45:18] <marktraceur>	 rillke: Could probably set them on-wiki?
[15:45:39] <marktraceur>	 Not ideal, but maintaining the site config and the on-wiki messages is actually slightly more flexible
[15:47:36] <rillke>	 the disadvantage is of course that we do only allow administrators to edit commons mw messages, while on translatewiki, there is a real system of proofreading and a lot more translators
[15:47:45] <marktraceur>	 Hm, yeah
[15:47:51] <marktraceur>	 So less flexible in that sense
[15:48:03] <marktraceur>	 Ugh.
[15:48:17] <marktraceur>	 rillke: This is where I start wanting Extension:Licenses
[15:48:38] <marktraceur>	 Or similar.
[15:48:41] <marktraceur>	 Maybe in core
[15:48:56] <rillke>	 marktraceur, did you file a bug for that?
[15:49:01] <rillke>	 sounds reasonable to me
[15:49:03] <marktraceur>	 I didn't
[15:49:13] <marktraceur>	 It's the sort of thing that I keep thinking of, but then shooting myself down for
[15:49:31] <marktraceur>	 'cause it's sort of interesting, and it's useful to a lot of people, but it's a lot of work for not all that much gain IMO
[15:49:38] <marktraceur>	 'cause UW is the heaviest license user, technically
[15:50:03] <marktraceur>	 MW core could use it a little - default licensing of contributions and all that
[15:50:17] <marktraceur>	 Media Viewer and CMD could, too. Maybe even TMH.
[15:50:52] <marktraceur>	 gi11es: Ooh, any chance you figured out how to use arcanist? I could start bothering some platform people if not
[15:50:55] <rillke>	 everything that offers uploading essentially
[15:51:13] * marktraceur looks up arcanist
[15:51:20] <marktraceur>	 rillke: Well, or different editing
[15:51:25] <marktraceur>	 Hell, even VE could dip into this
[15:51:58] <marktraceur>	 I think they have some use of license names in their save dialog
[15:52:21] <rillke>	 ... and license texts
[15:52:49] <marktraceur>	 Oh, didn't know that.
[15:53:28] <rillke>	 oops, no just a link
[15:54:31] <rillke>	 it'd be cool having some structured collection of licenses: names, links, texts for use within mediawiki
[15:55:01] <rillke>	 given the importance of licenses on free content
[15:55:02] <marktraceur>	 Yeah.
[15:55:10] <marktraceur>	 #makeitaservice
[15:55:35] <marktraceur>	 (trending now on #wikimedia-dev)
[15:58:18] <marktraceur>	 neil<tab> fuck
[15:58:23] <marktraceur>	 Just missed him.
[16:14:06] <marktraceur>	 Damn it, arcanist, why wouldn't you use my git editor by default
[16:22:07] <marktraceur>	 OK by and large, <3 arcanist
[16:22:10] <marktraceur>	 <3 phabricator
[16:39:36] <marktraceur>	 ne<tab> argh
[17:17:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Gergő Tisza: "The table exists already, it's staging.mediaviewer_optout. As it turns out the research user has the right to create tables in the 'stagin" [analytics/multimedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/145595 (owner: 10MarkTraceur)
[17:18:10] <marktraceur>	 Whaaaaaat, arcanist
[17:18:12] <marktraceur>	 Whaaaaaaaat
[17:18:18] <marktraceur>	 'arc tasks'
[17:18:20] <marktraceur>	 whaaaaaat
[17:18:47] <marktraceur>	 Oh well tgr in that case maybe you should take it away?
[17:18:53] <marktraceur>	 Unless you're busy and I should instead.
[17:19:24] <marktraceur>	 neilk_: Ohai
[17:19:37] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: hi
[17:19:54] <marktraceur>	 I had a question for you, related to D45 in Phabricator - basically I ripped out most of mw.UtilitiesTime as unused
[17:20:10] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: ok
[17:20:12] <marktraceur>	 Just wondering if there are any pitfalls I missed, but most of the methods were never touched based on my grepping
[17:20:29] <marktraceur>	 The only thing left is seconds2Measurements
[17:20:37] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: I don't remember. That was a catchall for various stuff
[17:20:40] <marktraceur>	 Probably should have put that into GroupProgressBar instead while I'm at it.
[17:20:52] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: let me check
[17:20:54] <marktraceur>	 K
[17:23:19] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: did you send me a CR to do? 
[17:23:31] <marktraceur>	 Uh...sec
[17:23:50] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: I'm not sure how to do stuff in phabricator
[17:23:55] <marktraceur>	 neilk_: http://fab.wmflabs.org/D45
[17:23:58] <marktraceur>	 Diff and everything.
[17:24:34] <neilk_>	 ...what's this arc
[17:24:53] <marktraceur>	 neilk_: It's a command line tool for using Phabricator
[17:24:55] <marktraceur>	 It's the BEST.
[17:25:04] <marktraceur>	 Not too hard to install either.
[17:25:21] <neilk_>	 between phabricator, gerrit, mingle, and just committing code I'm not certain what the process is generally
[17:25:27] <neilk_>	 also bugzilla
[17:25:40] <neilk_>	 anyway perhaps that's a discussion for another time.
[17:30:45] <marktraceur>	 neilk_: Phabricator is going to be The One Tool to Rule Them All
[17:31:46] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: change seems okay
[17:31:54] <marktraceur>	 K
[17:32:12] <neilk_>	 "maniphest"  /facepalm
[17:32:15] <marktraceur>	 I guess I can put it on Gerrit too
[17:32:17] <marktraceur>	 Shrug
[17:32:42] <marktraceur>	 The idea here was that we'd do code review in Phabricator, but if you're just +2 on it, we can stick it in Gerrit and merge 'er
[17:33:16] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: I don't see a way to review it... your requested tgr as reviewer for that Phab thing
[17:33:33] <marktraceur>	 neilk_: Hm, do you have an account on it?
[17:33:50] <marktraceur>	 (also, the ph thing is everywhere, get used to it ;) )
[17:34:30] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: I guess not. I'll phigure it out.
[17:35:02] <marktraceur>	 Phabulous.
[17:36:16] <marktraceur>	 I could also just submit it to gerrit
[17:36:36] <marktraceur>	 Literally the whole idea here is that we're using the UW refactor as a medium for testing phabricator
[17:36:43] <marktraceur>	 Gerrit is where we'll get things done
[17:39:46] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: you say it's "the" idea but I haven't heard that from anyone else, nor have I personally committed to it
[17:39:50] <marktraceur>	 Ah.
[17:39:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10MarkTraceur: Testing UtilitiesTime and removing unused methods [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146139 
[17:39:59] <marktraceur>	 Well I can just stop doing that for code review, I just wanted to test it out
[17:40:09] <marktraceur>	 Sorry for being confusing :)
[17:40:10] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: not that I want to be obstructionist or anything, but I'm not going to be here long term like the rest of you
[17:40:19] <marktraceur>	 neilk_: Yeah, makes sense, we'll make things easy on you
[17:40:21] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: I'd rather there was A process rather than many
[17:41:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10MarkTraceur: Test UploadWizardUtil and move single-use things to other classes [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146140 
[17:41:12] <marktraceur>	 neilk_: That's what the move to Phabricator is supposed to solve, but we're still in the in-between part
[17:41:17] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: if this is something the team committed to, I can get on board. From experience with Wikimedia, there are people who say "This is the new standard" when what they mean is "I wish this was the new standard". 
[17:41:22] <marktraceur>	 I'll be sure to only send you Gerrit patches from now on.
[17:41:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Test UploadWizardUtil and move single-use things to other classes [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146140 (owner: 10MarkTraceur)
[17:41:56] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: let me be clear, I can do whatever process there is, but I'd just prefer there was one rather than choose your own adventure for every patch
[17:42:05] <marktraceur>	 *nod*
[17:42:16] <marktraceur>	 neilk_: So I'm telling you now, for the foreseeable future, it's Gerrit.
[17:42:21] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: ok
[17:42:37] <marktraceur>	 And I'll make sure that's true for all of us - tgr and gi11es, we'll avoid using differential and arcanist for now
[17:43:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10MarkTraceur: Test UploadWizardUtil and move single-use things to other classes [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146140 
[18:09:12] <tgr>	 marktraceur: re optout stats, I can do that
[18:09:31] <tgr>	 probably not today, but I don't think it's particularly urgent, either
[18:10:44] <marktraceur>	 OK
[18:10:47] <marktraceur>	 Yeah I figured not
[18:11:00] <marktraceur>	 We can sort of get historical based on preference change events, I figure
[18:12:15] <tgr>	 hm, that's true
[18:12:50] <marktraceur>	 Just not based on edit count or activity...right?
[18:13:14] <marktraceur>	 So we lose some history if we wait.
[18:13:16] <marktraceur>	 Just not that much IMO
[18:14:21] <tgr>	 also, it's hard to track whether the user existed at that point
[18:15:16] <tgr>	 on the whole, seems way more trouble than just saving daily
[18:15:19] <marktraceur>	 Yeah.
[18:15:42] <marktraceur>	 Just means we lose data while we wait, not sure if that's a problem
[18:18:53] <tgr>	 I don't think a few days matter, in the short term the data seemed pretty boring for the time when I tracked it manually, very little day-to-day change
[18:20:18] <marktraceur>	 Sure.
[18:36:42] <fabriceflorin>	 tgr gi11es marktraceur : Do you know where I could find the MV metrics dashboard for MediaWiki.org? I am getting blank screens on this page: http://multimedia-metrics.wmflabs.org/dashboards/mmv_mediawikiwiki#actions-graphs-tab
[18:37:52] <tgr>	 must be a bug, that's the right URL
[18:39:47] <tgr>	 we have quite a few 0-byte tsv files: http://stat1001.wikimedia.org/public-datasets/all/multimedia/
[18:41:03] <marktraceur>	 Labs was having trouble earlier
[18:41:08] <marktraceur>	 Might be an issue on their end
[18:41:20] <marktraceur>	 Oh, no the tsvs are all blank, that'll do it
[18:41:32] <tgr>	 probably a bug in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/145608
[18:41:43] <marktraceur>	 Probably
[18:42:00] * marktraceur will look into it in a bit
[18:42:47] <tgr>	 and END is missing, I'll fix
[18:45:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Gergő Tisza: Fix action logging SQL query [analytics/multimedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146158 
[18:52:23] <fabriceflorin>	 tgr marktraceur: Thanks. Should I add a bug on Mingle, so we don’t lose track? These metrics are pretty important for us right now, since we are citing them extensively on community discussion pages. I notice the same thing is happening in the main Media Viewer metrics dashboard: http://multimedia-metrics.wmflabs.org/dashboards/mmv
[18:53:02] <tgr>	 don't think it's needed
[18:53:28] <marktraceur>	 Probably not
[18:53:32] <marktraceur>	 Fast task
[18:54:38] <fabriceflorin>	 marktraceur: OK, sounds good. Hope we can fix it today, it’s a critical touchpoint for us.
[18:56:28] <marktraceur>	 *nod*
[18:56:34] <marktraceur>	 It sounds like tgr is working on it.
[18:56:57] <tgr>	 it was a quick fix, it just needs a +2
[18:57:13] <tgr>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146158
[18:57:22] <marktraceur>	 Agh, SQL
[18:57:24] <marktraceur>	 You bastard.
[18:57:31] <marktraceur>	 (SQL, not tgr. tgr is wonderful.)
[18:57:36] <tgr>	 well I hope so, still have no idea how to test these things before deploying
[18:57:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10MarkTraceur: [C: 032] Fix action logging SQL query [analytics/multimedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146158 (owner: 10Gergő Tisza)
[18:57:46] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix action logging SQL query [analytics/multimedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146158 (owner: 10Gergő Tisza)
[18:57:52] <marktraceur>	 Yeah, just basically go with it
[18:57:59] * marktraceur runs the scripts
[18:58:40] <marktraceur>	 Just the actions, right
[18:58:43] <marktraceur>	 Yeah.
[18:58:48] <marktraceur>	 Running now
[19:04:14] <marktraceur>	 Ugh, this createInterface function
[19:04:17] <marktraceur>	 Needs to die
[19:04:18] <marktraceur>	 So hard
[19:04:22] * marktraceur goes to get brainfood
[19:08:32] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3TimedMediaHandler: Support MPEG DASH for multiple webm files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42591#c2 (10Brion Vibber) MPEG-DASH style streaming would also be good for the ogv.js player (or a future webm.js variant) in non-WebM-supporting browsers, as this would enable things that...
[20:02:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10MarkTraceur: Refactor createInterface into a new class [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146229 
[20:03:08] <marktraceur>	 Kill. Me. Now.
[20:03:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Refactor createInterface into a new class [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146229 (owner: 10MarkTraceur)
[20:03:25] <marktraceur>	 O.O
[20:03:47] <marktraceur>	 Jenkins, you don't want to do that right now
[20:10:33] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10MarkTraceur: Refactor createInterface into a new class [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146229 
[20:10:55] <marktraceur>	 So my git checkout of UW decided to randomly bisect in the middle of my committing process
[20:10:58] <marktraceur>	 That was fun
[20:15:26] <marktraceur>	 Stats are back
[20:15:37] <marktraceur>	 Opt-outs look a little funny...thought we had more anon ones than that.
[20:16:15] <marktraceur>	 Also: opt-in is a stupid thing to measure, nobody uses it
[21:51:48] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10MarkTraceur: Fix a few issues in unattach [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146294 
[21:52:18] <marktraceur>	 tgr: ^ causing issues in master, I think - you can confirm by trying to exit the lightbox in master
[21:53:38] <marktraceur>	 Not hitting mw.org, but not sure why
[21:54:09] <tgr>	 give me a sec
[21:54:22] <tgr>	 I managed to destroy my vagrant box over the weekend
[21:54:28] <marktraceur>	 Sure
[22:04:13] <marktraceur>	 Oh, huh, latest mediawiki works fine.
[22:04:23] <marktraceur>	 I wonder what we changed....maybe tipsy got upgraded for some reason?
[22:05:22] <tgr>	 I doubt it, tipsy has been unmaintained for years
[22:05:26] <marktraceur>	 Seems like
[22:05:43] <marktraceur>	 But then what...things merged in the past few days seem mundane
[22:07:38] <marktraceur>	 Reading, sec.
[22:08:55] <marktraceur>	 Merge "Remove outdated unused jquery.tipsy styles from common/shared.css"
[22:09:00] <marktraceur>	 But that seems like it would be mundane
[22:09:27] <marktraceur>	 Nope
[22:09:48] <marktraceur>	 And I'm past the deploy on Thursday, so...
[22:20:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Mattflaschen: "Removing myself as reviewer" [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[22:23:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10MarkTraceur: [C: 04-1] "I don't see any videos or even pages worth testing on that wiki - in any case, this seems way premature, especially given that the issues " [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[22:43:01] <marktraceur>	 tgr: Not a wiki page? Son, I am very disappoint.
[22:43:17] <tgr>	 eh
[22:43:27] <tgr>	 commenting in Docs is just too convenient
[22:44:14] <tgr>	 the same thing would be unreadable with inline comments after a few lines of discussions
[22:45:34] <tgr>	 there are all sort of collapsible templates for that, but they are difficult to use and I am worried they would keep the less wiki-practiced people from contributing