[04:40:42] 3MediaWiki / 3File management: Could not delete file "mwstore://local-swift-eqiad/local-public/..." - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69717 (10Hunyady Márton) [06:11:12] 3MediaWiki extensions / 3MultimediaViewer: Thumb generation very slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67848#c16 (10Nemo) Steinsplitter, what connection / how much bandwidth do you have? [07:26:42] 3MediaWiki extensions / 3MultimediaViewer: Thumb generation very slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67848#c17 (10Steinsplitter) It's not my connection. Maye it is that slow pc's have the problem to process all the JS.. [12:33:13] 3MediaWiki extensions / 3TimedMediaHandler: sign cortado applet so that it works for people with outdated java - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/60287#c3 (10Derk-Jan Hartman) Is this any closer now after that discussion ? [12:42:57] 3MediaWiki extensions / 3MultimediaViewer: Thumb generation very slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67848#c18 (10Andre Klapper) You might want to elaborate why you think "it's not your connection" then, if we don't want to spend more time with some vague "maybe"s and never fixing something here (in case... [13:57:28] 3MediaWiki / 3File management: Could not delete file "mwstore://local-swift-eqia d/local-public/..." on hu.wp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69717 (10Andre Klapper) p:5Unprio>3Normal [15:37:43] 3MediaWiki extensions / 3MultimediaViewer: Thumb generation very slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67848#c19 (10Tisza Gergő) The network tab of the developer toolbar of most browsers displays a waterfall diagram; a screenshot of that diagram could help identify the source of the problem. [16:18:28] What is the WMF's problem with using mailing lists [16:18:33] Srsly [16:18:43] Tell me about it [16:18:52] They invent 5 thousand of them, and then do not use any of them [16:19:14] Fucking hell. [16:19:24] This is getting super old [16:20:37] As a rule of thumb. If more than three people are cc'd on your message, you're doing something wrong [16:20:49] +2 let's get this merged [16:27:57] Hm, actually, I should post the Multimedia guidelines for communications. [16:28:55] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Multimedia/Communication_guidelines [16:59:28] 3MediaWiki extensions / 3MultimediaViewer: MultiMediaViewer: Accessibility for keyboard users and screen readers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62923#c3 (10Tisza Gergő) Merging bug 66357: Navigation buttons (next/prev, close, fullscreen) should be first in tab order (with an easy-to notice focused style... [16:59:44] 3MediaWiki extensions / 3MultimediaViewer: Make navigation buttons (next/prev, close, fullscreen) easily accessible from keyboard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/66357#c1 (10Tisza Gergő) 5NEW>3RESO/DUP *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 62923 *** [16:59:44] 3MediaWiki extensions / 3MultimediaViewer: MultiMediaViewer: Accessibility for keyboard users and screen readers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62923#c4 (10Tisza Gergő) *** Bug 66357 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** [16:59:45] Guidelines. [16:59:47] * Keegan giggles [17:23:14] 3MediaWiki / 3File management: Error generating thumbnail - OOM on progressive jpeg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69377#c2 (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) 5UNCO>3RESO/DUP (In reply to Andre Klapper from comment #1) > Thanks for taking the time to report this! > > Likely an outcome of bug 69311. Its unre... [17:23:32] 3MediaWiki / 3File management: Progressive JPEGs break Image page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/3862#c3 (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) *** Bug 69377 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** [17:41:58] * bawolff just read the video thread [17:42:04] ffs, not another mailing list [17:43:02] video.wikimedia.org sounds like a horrible idea [18:03:03] bawolff: where's this from? [18:03:31] Its one of those emails that has like 200 people in the cc field [18:03:42] because appearently nobody knows how to use a mailing list [18:03:46] heh [18:03:54] * YuviPanda has stopped beating that drum [18:05:06] I think WMF should set up a spam filter that drops every email with more than 3 people cc'd on it [18:06:32] wtf, 4 of the people in the cc field are incorrect emails [18:08:10] YuviPanda: Not to worry, the fight will carry on without you [18:08:37] marktraceur: did you see https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/admintools/2014-August/thread.html [18:09:01] Heh, no, news to me [18:09:19] I just like how the only post to the mailing list is nemo saying its stupid [18:09:38] marktraceur: So I replied to that thread, I got 4 bounce notifications + 2 vacation auto-replies [18:22:37] Pfffahahaha [18:43:42] 3MediaWiki extensions / 3TimedMediaHandler: Appends link to Kaltura - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23965#c14 (10Yair Rand) The file MwEmbedModules / EmbedPlayer / EmbedPlayer.config.php should have line 78 changed from "EmbedPlayer.KalturaAttribution" => true, to "EmbedPlayer.Kaltu... [20:01:56] tgr: are you still up? can I ask you a quick question? [20:03:27] rillke: Hi! It was nice to meet you in person in London :) [20:04:46] fabriceflorin, enjoyed meeting you in person, too [20:05:03] Were the multimedia sessions helpful to you? [20:16:02] !ask [20:18:04] To be honest, fabriceflorin, I only had time to go to the UploadWizard discussion -- yes it was helpful as in in now I know the future plans but for a serious discussion, it was not enough time and it is probably better done inside a wiki; for example [[user:Lupo]] is concerned that there are very few considerations on how to prevent trash compared to the considerations on how to make uploading easier [20:18:30] marktraceur: I hope you are feeling better. [20:21:18] rillke1: Thanks for the feedback about the Upload Wizard session. I am glad it was helpful in giving you an overview, but agree that an on-wiki discussion would be a good follow up for more detailed discussions. For now, if there are any comments you have about that session, you can add them to this etherpad, which we will use to summarize feedback from our discussion: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/WikimediaMultimedia [20:25:09] fabriceflorin: Not quite, yet. Should be back in tomorrow. [20:26:10] marktraceur: Sorry to hear that. Hope you feel better soon. It will be good to see you tomorrow. [20:26:38] marktraceur tgr : Do you know the status of the ‘Disable MediaViewer for logged-in Commons users’ task (#822)? Did we actually make that change on production, or is it still in code review? Also, are there issues we should address with the ‘HideMediaViewer’ gadget on Commons? I found it confusing to have to set both my preferences and that gadget last time I tried. [20:26:39] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets [20:28:08] * Romaine is happy fabriceflorin continues with the material from that session [20:29:11] fabriceflorin: I tried to help make the gadget work better with the preference, but no dice [20:29:54] Romaine: Yes, now that I am back in the office, I plan to follow up on all the comments from the 7 very productive multimedia sessions we had at Wikimania. If you attended a session and didn’t get a chance to add comments, be sure to add them on the notepads linked in this overview page: https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Events [20:30:20] I had the pity to miss the A culture of Kindness session [20:30:34] fabriceflorin: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154396 is the change [20:31:26] * Romaine is also happy with the messages Lila Treikov + e-mail from Lila personal about it [20:31:32] +t [20:31:52] marktraceur: Thanks for trying to get the gadget and the preferences to play nice with each other. For now, is Media Viewer officially disabled for logged-in users? Or are we still working on this? I couldn’t tell for sure, because of the gadget. [20:32:16] The config change is not merged. [20:32:31] fabriceflorin: if you get any questions from Lila, I named you as good example :) [20:33:18] marktraceur: Thanks for the clarification. Perhaps we could ask the Commons community if they would be willing to disable the gadget once we disable for logged-in users. It’s pretty confusing right now. [20:33:24] You could ask [20:35:30] Romaine: Glad you liked Lila’s message — and thanks for your kind words. Though I am not yet an established member of the community, I try to engage community members as partners whenever possible, as I worked hard to do at Wikimania. I really enjoyed all our interactions in London, and feel that good progress was made towards our shared objectives. :) [20:36:33] I haven't seen much WMF people who are so keen on having a dialogue with the community [20:36:34] marktraceur: Yes, now that I’m back in the office, I will aim to start a dialog again with the Commons community about this. Sorry I couldn’t be as involved online in the past two weeks, we were too engaged in ‘meatspace’ to be able to focus on online … [20:36:50] it is a good first step [20:37:00] Hey Romaine \o/ [20:37:03] (the problems already were visible in 2007) [20:37:08] hello PierreSelim1 [20:37:56] * Romaine recognizes the name, but can't combine it with the correct face: I have seen almost all participants sign up :S [20:38:13] hello PierreSelim : So good to spend time with you and the Cuteness Society at Wikimania ! [20:38:40] ow, Wendy from the Cuteness Society had gone missing at Wikimania [20:39:03] Hi fabriceflorin always good to talk face to face ;) [20:39:13] Romaine: Here is Pierre Selim’s recommendation on how to improve Wikipedia : https://www.flickr.com/photos/fabola/14884565354/in/set-72157645888818730 [20:39:46] https://twitter.com/Wikimedia_BE/status/498832233328025602 [20:40:05] Does WCA mean ‘Wikipedia Cuteness Association” ? Or is it another acronym? [20:40:05] PierreSelim: Cuteness society!? How are you not in #wikimedia-kawaii!? :) [20:40:07] :) [20:41:45] marktraceur: When you feel better, I would like to ask your idea for improving Wikipedia as well, so I can add it to the slideshow here — and eventually on Commons: https://www.flickr.com/photos/fabola/sets/72157646308694626/ [20:42:57] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Plushies_at_Wikimania_2014 [20:44:16] fabriceflorin: That's OK - my suggestions tend not to be for Wikipedia anyway :) [20:45:48] fabriceflorin: Feel free to browse http://wca.commonists.org [20:47:18] yeah browse it, it bring me so much pain to upgrade today ... [20:48:12] like somone (I call it Evil Developper) decided it would be clever to rename eth0 in em1 as device name while upgrading version of linux :p [20:48:31] funny to see the server never going up after reboot ;p [20:48:55] then the VM software crashed :p [20:49:19] * Romaine thinks he remembers Pierre: from France right? [20:49:29] Exactly [20:49:56] The guy with a commons stickers on his white lens :p [20:50:43] were you sitting in the community village French group at sunday evening? [20:52:53] JeanFred: Merci du tuyau. The Wikimedia Cuteness Association looks like it’s off to a great start. [20:53:38] PierreSelim: Maybe you should start and RfC on the WCA site about file naming conventions. Just kiddding … [20:53:53] :) [20:53:59] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimania_2014,_London,_DSC_5844.jpg <- dark green shirt closed to lodewijk [20:54:59] marktraceur: Your suggestion can be about the Wikimania movement in general, as others did. But it’s your call entirely … [20:55:16] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pierre_Selim_at_the_Upload_Wizard_discussion_at_Wikimania_2014_01.jpg <- or sleeping [20:55:21] *shrug* I'll pass [20:55:39] * Romaine remembers the face [20:57:17] Romaine: Thanks again for a great conversation at Wikimania — here’s the dual selfie we took in the greenhouse — hope it’s OK with you: https://www.flickr.com/photos/fabola/14842569626/in/set-72157645888818730 [20:58:00] * Romaine still has the feeling not to look good in photos [20:58:04] :p [20:58:17] same for almost everyone Romaine :p [20:58:27] really? [20:58:56] good to know, I always had the feeling to be alone with that issue [20:59:27] it's like hearing your voice on a recording [20:59:35] always sounds really weird for me [21:00:37] Romaine: Yeah, we never look the way we think. I too get a bit embarrassed about pictures take of me, though I usually get over the initial shock :) But I think your picture came out well, and it gives us a sense of who you are as a person — which is important, I think. [21:00:54] :) [21:00:58] I can live with it [21:01:45] I can live with it on Commons, no one will ever find about it :) [21:01:59] (lots of pun intended) [21:02:02] Yeah, the voice carries most of the emotions, so it’s even more important than the images. But it’s harder to share, because it takes more time to listen than to just look quickly at a picture. So that’s probably why we share pictures more ... [21:02:14] yes [21:02:37] but I should have offered you a stroopwafel with making that picture :p [21:02:43] [[m:ASA]] [21:02:55] * PierreSelim loves pictures : because people see the world in pictures as I see it: in 2D [21:03:05] Yeah, I will upload some of the best pictures on Commons in coming days. But first I have to fix the attribution issues that were raised about my earlier contributions, so I can’t upload anything to Commons until then. Sigh … it’s at least several hours of work. [21:03:55] I once had a meeting (organizing WLM), I watched the screen of the camera and I watched how that person actually looks and I saw there a difference [21:05:30] Speaking of which, I better get to fixing credits on Commons while I have a moment free, rather than chit-chat — as much as I enjoy our conversation … :) [21:06:48] if you put a photo of me on Commons, please let me know, I also now have to continue with things [21:07:07] https://www.flickr.com/photos/ter-burg/14876104951/in/photostream/ <- that's why the food went missing after a while ! [21:07:57] no! [21:08:06] I gave everyone food :p [21:09:22] Oh yeah we were powered by Stroopwafles (again!) [21:09:33] :p [21:09:42] like on sunday I was dealing stroopwafles to the frenchies :p [21:09:45] if people do not eat enoug stroopwafels, they get kranky [21:09:51] :p [21:28:07] would it be possible to have a feature in mediawiki that would automatically correct perspective distortion if activated :p [21:28:09] ? :) [22:24:20] (03CR) 10Romaine: "There are two dates (including time in UTC), before the first date we need a banner saying it hasn't started yet, after the second date a " [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/153818 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64685) (owner: 10MarkTraceur)