[00:01:11] 3MediaWiki-extensions-TimedMediaHandler, Multimedia: Attempting to play a video when fullscreen mode is previously enabled on an element nested below the element will cause the video to be played but not being visible - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89684#1042631 (10Rillke) - We could possibly use ht... [00:15:09] That files with multiple licenses ("[object]: PD-old; photo: CC BY-SA 4.0", …) have the least restrictive license displayed in the MV is a known issue, right? Couldn't find a related bug … [01:43:38] 3MediaWiki-Uploading, Possible-Tech-Projects, Multimedia: Add support for KML/KMZ filetype - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T28059#1042735 (10Rschen7754) It is hard to say, since this is (according to my understanding) a security issue, and because it is not clear how Wikidata will affect this. [02:41:25] FDMS: showing the most permissive license is a feature [02:42:08] not being able to differentiate between a license for the photo and a license for the object is a shortcoming of the current Commons metadata system [02:43:25] see also https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Machine-readable_data#Copyright_information_of_underlying_content and the complete lack of interest that generated [02:43:25] tgr: So … will this be fixed? [02:43:59] you should probably be asking that at #wikimedia-commons :) [02:44:43] I certainly don't plan to make sense of license-object relations with the way they are recorded now on the description pages [02:46:12] on one hand I agree, but on the other one right now there are just lots of copyvios being committed by the MV itself [02:46:52] which could be solved by switching from displaying the least restrictive to the most restrictive license [02:47:28] I don't think that would improve anything from a legal point of view [02:48:03] we could just not show a license when there is more than one [02:48:32] but that would kind of suck, given that in most cases those are just harmless multilicensed images [02:48:38] exactly [02:49:11] it would be better if someone fixed the templates [02:49:22] which is IMO not that complicated [02:49:53] this is why I actually looked for the bug in phab: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Crystal_Clear_app_email.svg&diff=150281674&oldid=147810908 [02:49:57] no template [02:50:51] but what kind of damage would it cause to switch to displaying the most restrictive license? [02:51:02] oh well, something like that is never going to be handled correctly [02:51:26] people would get lots of less-than-user-friendly licenses, like GFDL [02:51:56] sometimes we would show non-free licenses over free images which have been multilicensed CC-NC [02:52:44] and it would be still a copyright violation, technically, any time we get the license wrong [02:53:26] well, the least restrictive license still has to be compatible with all the others [02:53:33] *least restrictive free license [02:53:55] NC/ND licenses should of course always be ignored [02:54:25] not really [02:55:04] scultpure is CC-NC, photo is CC-BY, claims FOP -> we show CC-NC for the photo, we just committed copyfraud [02:55:38] a sculpture cannot be NC if there is FOP [02:55:57] the sculpture itself can [02:56:23] … how? [02:56:54] sorry [02:57:04] of course, 3D restrictions, … [02:57:38] well, FOP means you can make a photo [02:57:52] it does not stop the original artwork from having copyright [02:58:33] very true [02:58:42] that copyright is usually included in the description in a way that *probably* does not use a license template [02:58:59] but I would be willing to bet there are exceptions to that [02:59:32] anyway, telling reusers to use GFDL is an act of hostility [02:59:40] I would really rather avoid that [02:59:42] indeed [03:00:12] it would be useful to be able to use
tags [03:00:12] maybe special-casing the PD+free license combination makes sense [03:00:22] * FDMS nods :) [03:00:46] I can add that feature if it helps [03:01:00] although I still prefer https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Machine-readable_data#Copyright_information_of_underlying_conten [03:01:16] but someone would have to actually put them to use [03:01:39] basile: what do you think? [03:08:01] tgr: seriously, is there some way to directly "communicate" with the "machines" [03:08:28] that question also came to my mind with very long source values [03:08:35] 3Multimedia, MediaWiki-extensions-CommonsMetadata, WMF-Legal: CommonsMetadata cannot differentiate between license of the image and other licenses - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89692#1042773 (10Tgr) 3NEW [03:08:47] Thank you! [03:09:38] 3Multimedia, MediaWiki-extensions-CommonsMetadata, WMF-Legal: CommonsMetadata cannot differentiate between license of the image and other licenses - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89692#1042782 (10Tgr) [03:10:05] what do you mean? [03:10:53] overriding the metadata tags provided by other templates [03:11:23] to exclude things from being interpreted as metadata [03:13:58] it would be messy [03:14:50] but enable the communities to actually fix issues as the one I described themselves [03:14:57] at the very least DOM nodes that can interact with how metadata in a node is interpreted should be restricted to ancestors and descendants [03:15:41] there isn't a good way to identify a piece of metadata otherwise [03:16:31] something like
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should be straightforward [03:17:19] but again, someone would have to do it, and at that point why not do it properly, via {{copyright information}} and a way to specify what the license is about [03:18:48] the lack of involvement might be cause by the complexity of this [03:18:52] *caused [03:20:14] Thanks for explaining anyway. [03:25:30] Much complicated license talk. [03:26:07] tgr: I guess in theory, in the very long run, Wikidata integration will "fix" this because you could add a query to ask "what is this a picture of, and what are the licenses associated with those things?" [03:32:40] yes, with CommonsData there would be many ways to handle this [03:33:16] use qualifiers on the license statements, store parent works as separate items and put license statements there... [03:34:04] we can kind of reproduce the qualifiers now with div wrappers with special classes/microdata/whatever [07:43:37] 3MediaWiki-Uploading, Possible-Tech-Projects, Multimedia: Add support for KML/KMZ filetype - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T28059#1042975 (10TheDJ) @Qgil, I note this is not an easy task, since there are some security aspects to it... That's the reason why it stalled. The task itself is easy, but the backgro... [07:51:48] 3UI-Standardization, Multimedia, MediaWiki-extensions-MultimediaViewer: Adjust Media Viewer download menu colors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89520#1042976 (10Pginer-WMF) @Tgr, after updating core and refreshing I see a different picture now. I see two issues: - When hovering the selected element, the ro... [08:54:32] 3MediaWiki-Uploading, Possible-Tech-Projects, Multimedia: Add support for KML/KMZ filetype - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T28059#1043031 (10Qgil) Thank you for the quick feedback. Ok, I will remove the Possible-Tech-Projects tag. Feel free to bring it back if/when this task is a good candidate for GSoC/Outr... [08:54:43] 3MediaWiki-Uploading, Multimedia: Add support for KML/KMZ filetype - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T28059#1043032 (10Qgil) [09:48:24] 3MediaWiki-extensions-Extensions-requests, Possible-Tech-Projects, Multimedia: Allow smoother and easier Wikimedia Commons pictures discovery - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T59805#1043109 (10Qgil) [10:07:54] 3Wikimedia-Site-requests, Multimedia: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Example.jpg instantly crashes Chrome - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89573#1043146 (10Aklapper) >>! In T89573#1042074, @Krinkle wrote: > Confirmed upstream > https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=459043 Cannot acce... [10:08:46] 3MediaWiki-extensions-Extensions-requests, Possible-Tech-Projects, Multimedia: Allow smoother and easier Wikimedia Commons pictures discovery - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T59805#1043148 (10Nemo_bis) This task should probably be repurposed as a series of improvements to the [[https://commons.wikimedia.org/... [13:45:01] * marktraceur yawns [13:45:06] OK, what's on our docket today... [13:47:48] Ah, improvements, yay [13:47:54] Sounds like a swell time [14:13:15] I'mma run and get breakfast first... [14:32:41] (03CR) 10Gilles: [C: 032] "Just remember to revert the code after you have your results, or be ready to write it properly if it has to run for longer than expected. " [extensions/ImageMetrics] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/182766 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T507) (owner: 10Gergő Tisza) [14:34:58] (03CR) 10Gilles: [C: 032] Invalidate the metadata when the file page of a remote file changes [extensions/CommonsMetadata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/188743 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86955) (owner: 10Gergő Tisza) [14:35:28] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Measure CORS script loading support [extensions/ImageMetrics] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/182766 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T507) (owner: 10Gergő Tisza) [14:35:31] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Invalidate the metadata when the file page of a remote file changes [extensions/CommonsMetadata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/188743 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86955) (owner: 10Gergő Tisza) [14:40:10] 3MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard, Multimedia: Different Commons license with uploading then showed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89717#1043576 (10Romaine) 3NEW [14:41:27] 3MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard, Multimedia: Different Commons license with uploading then showed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89717#1043585 (10Romaine) https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Mechelen-Landeus_%281%29.JPG&oldid=150313610 [14:43:19] 3MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard, Multimedia: Different Commons license with uploading then showed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89717#1043588 (10Romaine) [14:53:23] 3MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard, Multimedia: Different Commons license with uploading then showed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89717#1043597 (10Gilles) Did you upload that file as part of a batch or on its own? [14:54:30] 3MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard, Multimedia: Different Commons license with uploading then showed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89717#1043598 (10Romaine) Another example: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Mechelen-Klitserbeek_%287%29.JPG&oldid=150327790 I checked the license and it s... [14:54:50] 3Wikimedia-Extension-setup, MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard, Multimedia: Enable Extension:UploadWizard on id.wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88918#1043599 (10MarkTraceur) @Kenrick95 OK, in that case I would suggest ripping out all of the license choices except for fair use, which isn't really we... [14:57:01] 3MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard, Multimedia: Different Commons license with uploading then showed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89717#1043600 (10Romaine) >>! In T89717#1043597, @Gilles wrote: > Did you upload that file as part of a batch or on its own? The file of Mechelen-Landeus was part of a group... [14:57:43] Oh, crap, those bugs are going to Commons today [14:57:46] Gotta backport [15:00:03] that's the only one I know of that needs backporting: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89531 [15:00:05] what else is there? [15:00:23] Uhh [15:00:39] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89296 [15:01:42] I can prepare the first one, can you take care of the second? [15:01:47] And https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/190481/ [15:01:54] Which may not have a bug [15:02:14] I'm on it as soon as my laptop gets off the fucking short bus, it's power cycling due to lack of battery right now [15:02:27] Finally. [15:04:15] But yeah, avoiding breaking uploading *and* file deletion on commons would be super [15:05:29] 3MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard, Multimedia: Different Commons license with uploading then showed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89717#1043601 (10Gilles) So far I can't reproduce locally. Uploading 2 files at once and picking different licenses for each, both files get the correct license once published. [15:08:45] gi11es: Actually my patches were core, so they're easy to set up :) [15:08:51] I forgot how nice that is. [15:24:26] 3MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard, Multimedia: Different Commons license with uploading then showed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89717#1043637 (10Romaine) Maybe it matters that I have set in my preferences, on tab Upload Wizard as default license for new uploads: Own work - Creative Commons CC0 Waiver (... [15:25:23] 3Wikimedia-Extension-setup, MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard, Multimedia: Enable Extension:UploadWizard on id.wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88918#1043638 (10Kenrick95) >>! In T88918#1043599, @MarkTraceur wrote: > @Kenrick95 OK, in that case I would suggest ripping out all of the license choices... [15:31:42] (03PS1) 10Gilles: Fix share tabs [extensions/MultimediaViewer] (wmf/1.25wmf17) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/191057 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89531) [15:32:52] 3Wikimedia-Extension-setup, MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard, Multimedia: Enable Extension:UploadWizard on id.wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88918#1043643 (10Romaine) The biggest issue that uploading files becomes a mess is because on most Wikipedias there are not enough people with enough under... [15:33:10] gi11es: No cherry-picked-from label? [15:33:18] Did you cherry pick locally? [15:33:24] yes [15:33:28] that's how I usually do it [15:33:39] Huh [15:33:42] OK :) [15:34:10] Change-Id is the same, that's how I get to the original [15:34:38] Oh, right. [15:35:02] (03CR) 10Gilles: [C: 032] Fix share tabs [extensions/MultimediaViewer] (wmf/1.25wmf17) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/191057 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89531) (owner: 10Gilles) [15:35:41] looks like the SWAT is almost full [15:35:47] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix share tabs [extensions/MultimediaViewer] (wmf/1.25wmf17) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/191057 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89531) (owner: 10Gilles) [15:35:51] only one slot left, but this is on 2 branches [15:37:02] Yeah, that's fine [15:37:11] I'm doing the SWAT, I will wisely make an exception for you [15:37:13] ah, wait the fi is actually insufficient on 'wmf17 [15:37:15] fix [15:37:22] Wuh oh. [15:37:32] Well, perfect, then I can deploy the wmf16 fix! :P [15:37:34] some stuff appears, but not the tabs for share/embed [15:37:42] I haven't checked on '16 yet [15:37:53] Oh dear. [15:38:33] I'm going to double-check, maybe I got the browser tabs wrong [15:39:53] nope, it's all good [15:40:01] I must have gotten things mixed up [15:42:06] Ah, good. [15:42:41] actually wmf16 is about to not be running on any of our servers anymore, right? [15:43:18] do we usually care to backport anyway, in case someone somewhere wants that branch to work? [15:43:49] Uhhh [15:43:56] wmf16 still running on Wikipedias after today. [15:44:04] ah, gotcha, the switch is later [15:44:21] Yeah, I think tomorrow? Thursday? I don't really know anymore, our schedule is so confusing now [15:44:32] tomorrow maybe [15:44:36] ok, I'll do '16 [15:49:36] 3MediaWiki-File-management, Possible-Tech-Projects, Multimedia: Build an interwiki notifications framework and implement it for InstantCommons - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T48525#1043670 (10Qgil) >>! In T48525#486127, @MarkTraceur wrote: > Consider that this is already implemented in a "pull" sense in Ext... [15:53:37] (03PS1) 10Gilles: Fix share tabs [extensions/MultimediaViewer] (wmf/1.25wmf16) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/191065 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89531) [15:54:30] (03CR) 10Gilles: [C: 032] Fix share tabs [extensions/MultimediaViewer] (wmf/1.25wmf16) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/191065 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89531) (owner: 10Gilles) [15:55:16] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix share tabs [extensions/MultimediaViewer] (wmf/1.25wmf16) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/191065 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89531) (owner: 10Gilles) [16:31:10] 3MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard, Multimedia: Different Commons license with uploading then showed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89717#1043746 (10Gilles) Thank you for the extra information, I can repro. The default set in the preferences is displayed correctly in the UI, but once uploaded it turns into... [16:32:57] 3MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard, Multimedia: Default license in preferences not respected for multi-file uploads going through the per-file license picking step - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89717#1043756 (10Gilles) [16:39:02] 3MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard, Multimedia: Default license in preferences not respected for multi-file uploads going through the per-file license picking step - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89717#1043779 (10Gilles) a:3Gilles [17:23:28] 3Wikimedia-Extension-setup, MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard, Multimedia: Enable Extension:UploadWizard on id.wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88918#1043979 (10Aldnonymous) LoL no Romaine. No, just no. Also if you subscribe and giving a comment, better stay a while so you can also hear our counter... [17:27:02] 3Wikimedia-Extension-setup, MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard, Multimedia: Enable Extension:UploadWizard on id.wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88918#1043999 (10MarkTraceur) A tool from 2010 is hardly the "future of uploading images", especially since we don't plan on deploying this on most Wikiped... [17:33:03] (03CR) 10MarkTraceur: "Hrm, maybe a problem that needs sleep 1 again." [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/186543 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86119) (owner: 10MarkTraceur) [17:34:56] Bloody betacommons is down [17:39:27] yup, just when I need it :) [17:39:57] 3Wikimedia-Extension-setup, MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard, Multimedia: Enable Extension:UploadWizard on id.wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88918#1044031 (10Aklapper) @Aldnonymous: Please see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Phabricator_etiquette (criticize ideas, not people). Than... [17:46:14] 3Wikimedia-Extension-setup, MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard, Multimedia: Enable Extension:UploadWizard on id.wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88918#1044046 (10Aldnonymous) I know, and I am sorry, but I just got easily offended when people talk to me but don't want to hear my reply, I apologize. [17:46:50] Sigh, need to go get an envelope anyway [17:46:51] BRB [18:02:26] 3Possible-Tech-Projects, MediaWiki-File-management, Multimedia: Build an interwiki notifications framework and implement it for InstantCommons - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T48525#1044067 (10Tgr) Wikidata has some sort of push notification system, I wonder if that's generic enough to reuse. This task does... [18:13:20] 3Wikipedia-App-Android-App, Multimedia, MediaWiki-extensions-CommonsMetadata: Images in the image viewer in the Android app shouldn't display out of date descriptions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86955#1044078 (10Deskana) Thanks for the fix! How can this be tested? [18:32:13] 3Wikipedia-App-Android-App, Multimedia, MediaWiki-extensions-CommonsMetadata: Images in the image viewer in the Android app shouldn't display out of date descriptions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86955#1044129 (10Tgr) Upload a file on beta commons with `License: 3MediaWiki-File-management, Possible-Tech-Projects, Multimedia: Build an interwiki notifications framework and implement it for InstantCommons - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T48525#1044776 (10Lydia_Pintscher) We have a Wikimedia-internal push notification. This can not be reused to notify 3rd party wikis. W... [21:31:41] 3MediaWiki-File-management, Possible-Tech-Projects, Multimedia: Build an interwiki notifications framework and implement it for InstantCommons - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T48525#1044845 (10Tgr) I was thinking of pubsubhubbub. Is that project completely abandoned then? This looks like a problem that need... [21:34:17] 3MediaWiki-File-management, Possible-Tech-Projects, Multimedia: Build an interwiki notifications framework and implement it for InstantCommons - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T48525#1044846 (10Lydia_Pintscher) Agreed. And the students with pubsubhubbub would have been a great way to solve this if it wasn't b... [21:40:52] 3MediaWiki-File-management, Multimedia: Build an interwiki notifications framework and implement it for InstantCommons - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T48525#1044858 (10Qgil) [21:41:43] 3MediaWiki-File-management, Multimedia: Build an interwiki notifications framework and implement it for InstantCommons - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T48525#486030 (10Qgil) Thank you for your quick feedback. I have removed this task from Possible-Tech-Projects. [21:46:38] (03PS1) 10Gilles: Respect preferences' default license when picking a license per file [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/191191 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89717) [21:47:25] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Respect preferences' default license when picking a license per file [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/191191 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89717) (owner: 10Gilles) [21:51:41] (03PS2) 10Gilles: Respect preferences' default license when picking a license per file [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/191191 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89717) [21:52:13] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Respect preferences' default license when picking a license per file [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/191191 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89717) (owner: 10Gilles) [22:00:08] (03PS3) 10Gilles: Respect preferences' default license when picking a license per file [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/191191 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89717) [22:07:11] (03PS4) 10Gilles: Respect preferences' default license when picking a license per file [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/191191 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89717) [22:10:22] 3Multimedia: Show warning about privacy/security issues on PDF file pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89765#1044920 (10Tgr) 3NEW [23:54:13] 3MediaWiki-Uploading, Multimedia: Add support for KML/KMZ filetype - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T28059#1045177 (10Bawolff) The security issues don't sound all the complicated. They basically involve building a parser, checking the file is valid according to some subset of the spec (For our usecase, it mig...