[01:01:00] Morning o/ [02:37:17] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 10MediaWiki-Patrolling: Some reuploads can't be patrolled - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123747#1960875 (10Cenarium) [[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Saurashtra_region_within_Gujarat_India_relief_map.jpg|Here's]] an example at Commons. It c... [08:20:15] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-Uploading, 10Wikimedia-Media-storage: 503 errors on API file upload - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113878#1961134 (10Fae) Update Here are the figures for 1-24 January for upload of "blanks". The numbers have remained small. As my uploads do a double-check for blanks... [10:35:02] hello. [10:56:27] o/ [11:26:44] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 6Editing-Department, 10Possible-Tech-Projects, and 3 others: Allow uploading of 3D files to Wikimedia Commons - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T3790#1961485 (10Psychoslave) I won't be able to come at this event, but if people are interested to work on this task, I would be happy t... [12:01:23] (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: [C: 032] "Unrelated Jenkins failure." [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/260617 (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [12:03:16] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Correct mixups of default vs predefined namespaces when creating titles [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/260617 (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [12:13:14] (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: [C: 032] Delete old languageStats file [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/265895 (owner: 10Alex Monk) [12:18:31] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Delete old languageStats file [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/265895 (owner: 10Alex Monk) [13:47:09] https://lut.im/TB4CGWToJq/TY82NQHnS7FrJYRw.jpg [13:47:13] Good news! [13:47:22] Our metrics are caught up and the lines are coloured different colours. [13:47:38] For some reason my UW- and CWU-specific metrics aren't showing up, but I blame myself [13:48:06] Yeah, I need to configure some stuff on-wiki. But those seem to be caught up, also! [13:48:24] :o [13:52:37] https://edit-analysis.wmflabs.org/multimedia-health/#projects=commonswiki/metrics=Cross-Wiki Uploads [13:52:40] WHAT A HELPFUL GRAPH [13:52:53] Well, it will be. [13:53:06] I guess I could have written it to use the edit summary, but I didn't [13:56:33] MarkTraceur: ok so wtf am i looking at here? this looks very broken. :P http://i.imgur.com/I9M6Gm5.png [13:56:39] OK I'm seriously going nuts, we did deploy this tool earlier than December, we just added the tags later, right? [13:57:07] That's exactly what I see - we only have one data point so far (December) and before that it's just zero [13:57:19] We have partial January numbers but Dashiki be like "pfft partial data" [13:57:37] So our graph should look a bit more bendy next week. [13:57:48] But click around the other numbers, they're nifty [13:58:11] I'm going to go tell our metrics scripts to generate numbers for other wikis that have uploads enabled, because I'm a completionist. [13:58:23] MarkTraceur: first uploads should be on 2015-10-21 [13:58:37] MarkTraceur: and i think the tags had always worked. [13:58:50] i got them wrong at first, but noticed on beta and fixed before anyone uploaded anything to prod. [13:58:52] Well, that's weird, because I'm pretty sure we don't have anything before december [13:59:32] You can check my math if you want, but I don't see how it could be wrong [13:59:57] you should have http://i.imgur.com/7RFDqK8.png [14:00:01] Also, how do I tell Chrome to stop downloading TSVs, goddamn it, it's a text file [14:00:28] MatmaRex: http://datasets.wikimedia.org/limn-public-data/metrics/multimedia-health/cross-wiki-uploads/ [14:00:54] well [14:01:00] http://git.wikimedia.org/blob/analytics%2Flimn-multimedia-data.git/master/multimedia%2Fcross-wiki-uploads.sql [14:01:01] that's wrong :P [14:01:21] Oh shit, maybe because I don't have LIKE "%cross-wiki-upload%" [14:01:27] MarkTraceur: that too [14:01:34] MarkTraceur: but recentchanges only goes back 30 days. :P [14:01:39] Ohhhhh god damn it [14:01:44] I need logging, then [14:01:56] yes. and change_tag table [14:02:11] What on earth [14:02:35] you're actually missing all the A/B test uploads right now, since they all have two tags each. :P [14:02:39] I should maybe just steal your query [14:03:09] Actually if you wanted to submit a change to that repository, I can merge it and milimetric will be none the wiser. [14:03:11] my query is a large chunk of Ruby code and a couple thousand api.php requests :P [14:03:17] Well god damn it [14:03:25] I will do it, never mind, it's fine [14:03:51] i could write the sql. but yeah, i think it's just a matter of swapping some tables and columns in wha tyou have here [14:04:39] So is change_tag the same as tag_summary but less stupid? (i.e. only one tag per row) [14:05:52] yes [14:08:45] Now, I need milimetric to merge it, then I can destroy the evidence. [14:21:22] (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: "There is no custom license checker anymore. It was axed in ebdc2934701363521c97c6c803b821349a18d7b2." [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/262329 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T42647) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [14:24:23] (03CR) 10MarkTraceur: "Oh, god, I forgot. Damn it." [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/262329 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T42647) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [14:27:04] (03CR) 10MarkTraceur: [C: 032] "This is, perhaps, too much power." [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/262329 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T42647) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [14:28:35] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Allow custom wikitext license in preferences [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/262329 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T42647) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [14:34:27] MatmaRex: Do you have any bright ideas to test every single wiki as to whether they allow local uploads, and get a nice comma-separated list as output? :) [14:35:06] I was thinking I could use mediawiki-config to give me answers, but it turns out that's a pretty crap idea [14:36:02] it sounds like a pretty good one to me [14:36:40] MarkTraceur: why do you need that list? [14:36:50] by making it, you're committing to updating it every time we add a wiki. :P [14:37:11] MatmaRex: I figured I'd add every wiki with files in it, and generate metrics for them all [14:37:25] Dashiki already shows a huge list of every wiki, I might as well support as many as I can [14:37:31] Most of them will have smallish datasets anyway [14:38:59] Maybe if I just told it to run on every wiki, the ones with zero uploads wouldn't take very long [14:39:05] I'll ask milimetric for advice. [14:39:07] MarkTraceur: almost every wiki allows them, so you might as well just do them all [14:39:35] Actually, I will not, he is not online yet, and mforns just went to lunch! So I will make breakfast. [14:39:47] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/OMWC/browse/master/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php;d45b03db5404e32410a7084e909ae4f767001e84$1154 [14:55:20] 6Multimedia, 10UploadWizard: UploadWizard extension should allow a custom default license for new uploads in "UploadWizard" tab of Special:Preferences - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T42647#1961759 (10matmarex) 5Open>3Resolved [14:55:22] 6Multimedia, 10UploadWizard: Add user preferences for some fields - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40026#1961761 (10matmarex) [15:38:47] 6Multimedia, 5Patch-For-Review: Implement some basic metrics for the Multimedia team - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111793#1961868 (10MarkTraceur) [15:39:26] 6Multimedia, 5Patch-For-Review: Implement some basic metrics for the Multimedia team - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111793#1616558 (10MarkTraceur) For reference here, see: * https://edit-analysis.wmflabs.org/multimedia-health/#projects=commonswiki,dewiki,enwiki/metrics=New uploaders * http://datasets.wi... [15:47:29] Looks like James_F|Away is coming to the standup, and I'm coming to the standup, and lindseyanne still hasn't changed her default answer for the standup. Are prtksxna and MatmaRex joining us? [15:48:04] yeah. [15:48:42] Cool beans [16:17:20] Hello. [16:18:33] Hi James_F, do you have anything for us? [16:18:54] Nope. Just hello. [16:19:18] http://www.amazon.com/Bring-Nothing-The-Table-T-Shirt/dp/B0040TX446 [16:20:33] it's on sale! i should get one. [16:21:25] James_F: Well, you'll have seen the e-mail I sent, there's not much else from me, I think we're all just chuggin' along [16:21:37] I'm about a week away from shifting focus to the image editor, at least partly [17:31:41] 6Multimedia, 10UploadWizard: Generating template "Location dec" vs. "Location dec" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124674#1962179 (10Hasenlaeufer) 3NEW [17:33:04] 6Multimedia, 10UploadWizard, 7Easy: Generating template "Location dec" vs. "Location dec" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124674#1962195 (10MarkTraceur) [18:04:31] 6Multimedia, 10UploadWizard, 7Easy: Link in the text "(must contain a valid copyright tag):" should open in a new page (target=_blank) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124425#1962346 (10matmarex) Well, this appears to already work correctly… I asked the reported to clarify. [18:04:45] 6Multimedia, 10UploadWizard, 7Easy: Link in the text "(must contain a valid copyright tag):" should open in a new page (target=_blank) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124425#1962348 (10matmarex) 5Open>3stalled p:5Normal>3Lowest a:3matmarex [18:20:44] Is there any reason that the Commons Mobile App documentation page, should be marked {{historical}}? I suspect it's a mistake, and that I should revert the Jan 14 tagging... https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Mobile_app&diff=184642793&oldid=172139412 [18:23:29] Didn't it get axed, quiddity? [18:23:45] Also it's not like anyone in here has ever worked on that app [18:24:15] MarkTraceur, the official version did, a long time ago. But afaik volunteers are (as of recently) re-maintaining them both. [18:24:29] s/a long time/some time/ [18:24:31] Hm. [18:24:51] quiddity: Well, you seem to know more about it than we do, unless James_F has an opinion [18:25:32] I saw the "[Wikitech-l] (Update) Improving categorization in Upload to Commons Android App" post, and the commons_talk thread ==Reborn!== [18:25:36] that's all i know [18:30:54] quiddity: I thing the documentation is still historical even if there's something new to talk abot. [18:31:13] James_F, even with https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Mobile_app#History [18:31:14] ? [18:31:45] quiddity: Meh. Maybe. If they're maintaining it, they'll spot and revert. [18:31:56] nod. shall ignore. ty [18:32:12] * James_F isn't getting involved in this bun-fight. :-) [18:48:58] (03PS1) 10MtDu: Use "Location" instead of deprecated "Location dec" [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/266279 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124674) [18:49:24] 6Multimedia, 10UploadWizard, 7Easy, 5Patch-For-Review: Generating template "Location dec" vs. "Location dec" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124674#1962597 (10MtDu) a:3MtDu See patch for review. [19:10:56] (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: [C: 032] "Thanks!" [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/266279 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124674) (owner: 10MtDu) [19:11:24] 6Multimedia, 10UploadWizard, 7Easy: Generating template "Location dec" vs. "Location" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124674#1962705 (10matmarex) 5Open>3Resolved [19:12:46] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Use "Location" instead of deprecated "Location dec" [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/266279 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124674) (owner: 10MtDu) [19:14:14] 6Multimedia, 10UploadWizard, 7Easy: Generating template "Location dec" vs. "Location" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124674#1962750 (10matmarex) This has been fixed now, and the fix will be deployed to Wikimedia Commons with MediaWiki version 1.27.0-wmf.12, per https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_... [19:35:10] 6Multimedia, 10UploadWizard: A bunch of wording suggestions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123984#1962964 (10matmarex) 5Open>3stalled p:5Triage>3Lowest [19:47:14] 6Multimedia, 10UploadWizard: Feature request: Copy description language attribute over to all files - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123923#1963052 (10matmarex) 5Open>3declined a:3matmarex I think you should already be able to do this. Set the description language for the first file, then in the "Cop... [19:49:36] (03PS1) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: Allow 'descriptionlang' to be provided without 'description' [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/266296 [20:25:19] 6Multimedia, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 5Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2016-01-26_(1.27.0-wmf.12): Visual editor upload tool hangs when trying to insert newly uploaded image - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124515#1963244 (10Jdforrester-WMF) a:3matmarex [20:28:05] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 10MediaWiki-Unit-tests: IPTCTest::testIPTCParseForcedUTFButInvalid fails on trusty/PHP5.5 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124574#1963266 (10Bawolff) >>! In T124574#1960430, @Reedy wrote: > @bawolff Any suggestions what this might break? Would we lose... [20:53:08] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10UploadWizard: Add PD-ineligible as a license option - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123982#1963390 (10matmarex) a:3matmarex https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Adding_PD-ineligible_as_a_license_option_in_UploadWizard [20:54:11] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10UploadWizard: Add PD-ineligible as a license option - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123982#1963406 (10matmarex) p:5Triage>3Low [21:01:38] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-extensions-GWToolset, 5Patch-For-Review: Mark GWToolset uploads with a change tag - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121877#1963452 (10matmarex) [21:01:41] 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-API, 10MediaWiki-Uploading, 5Patch-For-Review: Allow action=upload API to tag uploads, like action=edit can - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121876#1963453 (10matmarex) [21:01:50] 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-Change-tagging, 10MediaWiki-Uploading: Tagging file uploads with change tags is difficult bordering on impossible - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121874#1890661 (10matmarex) Not pretty, but it'll do. [21:13:11] James_F: If I were to dream up ways to do both, would you be interested in per-month numbers for 1. People who are using $tool for the first time (even if they've uploaded before using another tool) and 2. People who are uploading for the first time and happen to be using $tool? [21:13:31] MarkTraceur: 2 more than 1, but yes. [21:13:43] I think we wanted the latter for sure, but the former seems interesting and I'd almost certainly get the former accidentally on my way to the latter [21:13:47] OK then [21:13:56] OK. [21:14:10] * MarkTraceur grumbles something about SQL and moves on [21:14:59] Notably we now have a script for deletions, and all but cross-wiki uploads are generating numbers for every wiki (not just the Big Three that I added right away) [21:56:25] * MarkTraceur heads home from the coffee place... [21:56:36] I have an import running and I might as well let it finish.