[00:00:22] <James_F>	 MarkTraceur: Are you joining us?
[00:00:31] <MarkTraceur>	 James_F: No
[00:04:05] <quiddity>	 prtksxna, not that I know of, beyond 1.4.4 at https://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#visual-audio-contrast
[00:09:54] <James_F>	 MarkTraceur: I can hear but have no controls.
[00:10:06] <James_F>	 MarkTraceur: Yes.
[00:10:12] <James_F>	 MarkTraceur: I don't know what the top-10 are.
[00:10:17] <James_F>	 Boo!
[00:11:10] <MarkTraceur>	 James_F: In any case, if you want to find them somehow, or guess at them, I have (so far) en, de, fr, ja, and es
[00:11:15] <MarkTraceur>	 I guess it was probably on the list
[00:11:21] <MarkTraceur>	 But I imagine no non-wikipedias are
[00:11:49] <MarkTraceur>	 nl?
[00:12:49] <MarkTraceur>	 James_F: Are the ten wikis listed at wikipedia.org surrounding the globe an accurate estimation?
[00:13:08] <James_F>	 Ish.
[00:13:19] <MarkTraceur>	 OK, in that case I will move forward with that assumption.
[00:13:26] <James_F>	 I think zh shouldn't be there and something else should.
[00:13:42] <MarkTraceur>	 Well, too late, I've cemented it in my mind as the acceptable list
[00:13:55] <MarkTraceur>	 I'm pretty sure Ironholds was warning me that the way that list is generated is awful and unexpected
[00:14:00] <MarkTraceur>	 But again, it's too late
[00:16:14] <prtksxna>	 quiddity: Right, so https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T116086 looks alright?
[00:27:14] <prtksxna>	 MarkTraceur: Stop wasting my time!
[00:27:38] <quiddity>	 prtksxna, ah!  What is the text size, in there?  I think 12px (computed) is the smallest we use for practical purposes (i.e. the site sidebar lists)
[00:28:02] <prtksxna>	 First the rap battles and now the qdb
[00:28:25] <MarkTraceur>	 Lol
[00:28:26] <prtksxna>	 quiddity: Cool. I'll submit a patch
[00:28:55] <quiddity>	 prtksxna, do we have standards in the LSG for this? if not, we should!
[00:29:31] <prtksxna>	 I'll ask v<tab><tab>
[00:30:25] <quiddity>	 prtksxna, /invite violetto  ;)
[00:30:44] <quiddity>	 (i can't, not chanop)
[00:37:09] <MarkTraceur>	 Just tell her to come in here, I'm not +o-ing
[00:42:26] <prtksxna>	 She isn't responding on the -design channel, meh, maybe later
[01:05:13] <MatmaRex>	 prtksxna: MarkTraceur: James_F|Away: i posted https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Multimedia/December_2015_cross-wiki_upload_A/B_test#Results
[01:05:56] <prtksxna>	 lindseya-: ^ add to that some shitty results
[01:06:58] <MatmaRex>	 haha
[01:08:02] <prtksxna>	 Cant believe option 1 is the best :P
[01:14:40] <MatmaRex>	 prtksxna: hmm, we should probably remove the code for the other interfaces from ForeignStructuredUpload.BookletLayout?
[01:15:03] <MatmaRex>	 it doesn't look like the interfaces pau proposed could make use of any of it
[01:15:17] <prtksxna>	 MatmaRex: Yep. I'll to it today.
[01:15:25] <MatmaRex>	 (other than the boring parts doing the bucketing, which can stay)
[01:15:40] * prtksxna nods
[01:16:20] <prtksxna>	 MatmaRex: Did you come to a decision about the NumberInputWidget?
[01:16:37] <MatmaRex>	 i wonder if we could just revert d0e47d475cd7efd7541d51e02ab216a966da8b1f…
[01:17:39] <MatmaRex>	 prtksxna: so, i still think it'd be best to inherit from TextInputWidget, but you're right that TextInputWidget has too much stuff that wouldn't work here. your approach should be sane enough, and looks like it does resolve the bug
[01:18:11] <MatmaRex>	 you might want to ask Krenair for another opinion, siince he filed the bug :D
[01:18:36] <prtksxna>	 Cool, so I'll write a better commit message and ask. Thoughts on the validity mixin?
[01:19:00] <prtksxna>	 MatmaRex: We'll need to keep this, right? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/258416/11/includes/DefaultSettings.php,cm
[01:19:52] <MatmaRex>	 prtksxna: mmm… we can always add it back with the second round of the test
[01:20:08] <prtksxna>	 cool
[01:20:53] <MatmaRex>	 i actually just tried reverting it: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/268603/ but it doesn't revert cleanly
[01:21:57] <MatmaRex>	 prtksxna: i don't know when you're planning to do the second test. i don't want this to be accidentally left in MW 1.27 release :)
[01:22:55] <prtksxna>	 MatmaRex: We arent completely sure either. I say we remove it
[01:23:20] <prtksxna>	 MatmaRex: We cant do it till the thumbnail oojs release is in cor.
[01:23:28] <prtksxna>	 *core
[01:36:21] <MatmaRex>	 prtksxna: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/268603 that was actually fairly easy to rebase.
[01:36:37] <MatmaRex>	 but i didn't test it :D
[01:36:41] <MatmaRex>	 so please do before merging :D
[01:36:48] <MatmaRex>	 i'm off for the night. see you
[01:51:41] <prtksxna>	 MatmaRex: o/
[02:16:41] <MarkTraceur>	 MatmaRex: The answer is always "gah, users, what a bunch of assholes"
[02:16:53] <MarkTraceur>	 MatmaRex: But also, how do deletion rates stack up vs. the average?
[02:16:57] <MarkTraceur>	 Still abysmal?
[02:26:49] <MatmaRex>	 MarkTraceur: for new users, pretty normal. maybe very slightly worse than for new users uploading with uploadwizard.
[02:27:24] <MatmaRex>	 and it's mostly used by new users, so it looks bad when you look at all users compared to, say, uploadwizard.
[02:27:33] <MatmaRex>	 MarkTraceur: you should totally make metric for this. :>
[02:27:45] <MatmaRex>	 and i'm really off now. sleep well
[14:25:20] <MarkTraceur>	 Good morning Vietnam
[14:25:27] <MarkTraceur>	 prtksxna: How's your day been
[15:15:15] <MarkTraceur>	 prtksxna: I got pinged in private about the image editor stuff, go figure
[15:15:30] <MarkTraceur>	 I'm now stuck trying to think of a project in PHP, but I don't know if I have one
[15:18:07] <MarkTraceur>	 James_F: Do you have any thoughts? Maybe 3D files? I don't even know
[15:51:46] <prtksxna>	 MarkTraceur: hmmm?
[15:52:03] <MarkTraceur>	 prtksxna: Never mind
[18:04:32] <James_F>	 MarkTraceur: The PHP side of that isn't that fun to do, I guess? The client-side bit is the fun rendering stuff…
[18:05:00] <MarkTraceur>	 Well, yes, but we have the fun part covered, and the guy wants PHP projects
[18:05:06] <James_F>	 Ha.
[18:06:21] <MarkTraceur>	 My personal opinion is that someone who is months away from a bachelor's degree should be able to think up a project on their own, and that they should probably avoid PHP
[18:06:23] <MarkTraceur>	 But whatever
[18:11:56] <James_F>	 "My personal opinion is that someone should probably avoid PHP"
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