[00:45:41] MarkTraceur: wanted to tell you how awesome the online image editing tool is! thanks :) [00:49:51] matanya: Aw, thanks! prtksxna is owed much credit also :) [00:52:47] thank you prtksxna [00:53:08] both of you do so much awesome work :) [01:02:06] ah, boo. i joined anyhow. (sorry, fail at irc lately.) [09:28:56] (03CR) 10Hashar: "Today I have learned about the hook "ParserTestTables". Well done TheDJ and thank you Brion for the table fix!" [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/262926 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T126723) (owner: 10TheDJ) [11:27:20] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-Uploading, 7Crosswiki, 7JavaScript: Do an analysis (SWOT, cost, whatever) of the benefits and losses of the cross-wiki-upload-function - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121013#2054873 (10Steinsplitter) A system to identify clear copyright violations (using google api... [11:59:47] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-Uploading, 7Crosswiki, 7JavaScript: Do an analysis (SWOT, cost, whatever) of the benefits and losses of the cross-wiki-upload-function - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121013#2054988 (10JEumerus) Something like {T31793}? [15:18:25] James_F|Away: I just thought of a potential issue for ImageTweaks... prtksxna too. We might need Real, Actual License Support before we release it to Commons. [15:19:05] prtksxna was saying we should use the upload dialog, which I'm a fan of, and I'm going to start working on the core changes necessary today, but if someone tries to make a derivative of a GFDL photo, we're sunk [15:20:57] Oh! Right, I didn't think of that [15:22:40] Clearly I didn't either... [15:44:19] So we'll also not have an edit button on certain images? [15:44:57] prtksxna: I imagine not. [15:45:30] But that's a rare case. Commons doesn't have many files where derivatives are disallowed. [15:46:58] So its more a matter of where to show edit buttons rather than the upload dialog? Not that that isn't important [15:47:40] prtksxna: No, we need to fetch the current license of the source file, then affirm that the user releases their edits under the same license. [15:48:50] MarkTraceur: Ah yes! Thanks for explaining :) [15:54:14] prtksxna: No problem! [15:59:41] James_F|Away: Do we want to add 3D files to our list here? [16:16:06] 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-Uploading, 10TimedMediaHandler-Transcode, 10Wikimedia-Video: Video transcoding not started after server-side uploads - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127597#2055601 (10TheDJ) Does that use uploading by url ? The transcode job is a hooked into the https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/... [16:24:30] MarkTraceur: No. [16:24:40] MarkTraceur: And yeah, licence support is probably needed. Meh. [16:26:38] James_F: OK cool. [16:26:51] I may ask Commons what they think we need for the license stuff. [16:27:07] Ugh, we need to parse {{information}} too probably. Luckily CMD is a thing, but subpar. [16:39:15] James_F: I guess the only bugaboo is WMF trademarks, otherwise there's no problematic licenses. So no blacklist needed. [16:39:58] MarkTraceur: {{personality rights}} etc. too [16:40:17] MarkTraceur: And {{Wikimedia trademarks}} can have derivatives, they just need to not be tagged as official trademarks. [16:40:20] Next, I need to ask a Proper Lawyer™ about whether there are any problems with just copying licenses over... [16:40:29] Ugh ffs I hate Commons. [16:40:34] People will want flexibility. [16:40:45] Yeah well [16:40:50] Take a {{PD-Art}} image and touch it up and release their derivative as {{CC-BY-SA}}. [16:40:51] Etc. [16:40:53] If we want to give it to them, using the upload dialog is not the answer [16:41:08] True. [17:26:44] The upload dialog needs to grow up and get a license picker some day… [17:43:57] Yeah true [17:55:06] MarkTraceur: I am sleeping late so not sure if I'll be attending the stand-up, you know my update anyway, so… [17:55:35] (-, – )…zzZZ [17:57:37] OK, cheers [17:59:33] MarkTraceur: I could get on a call to talk about ImageTweaks stuff if you'd like [17:59:56] prtksxna: Do we need a call? I'm just saying we need to maybe ask a lawyer about something, I'll send that email [18:00:00] I think we're caught up [18:00:25] MarkTraceur: Cool [21:02:46] (03CR) 10TheDJ: "@Hashar, I learned that just one day before you did :)" [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/262926 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T126723) (owner: 10TheDJ) [22:23:55] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 7Performance: Reduce amount of metadata embedded in thumbnails across site - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100546#2057598 (10Jdlrobson) [22:24:00] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 6Performance-Team, 7Performance: Thumbnail urls should be versioned and sent with Expires headers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T19577#2057599 (10Jdlrobson) [22:24:42] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 7Performance: Reduce amount of metadata embedded in thumbnails across site - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100546#1315292 (10Jdlrobson) [22:24:47] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 6Performance-Team, 7Performance: Thumbnail urls should be versioned and sent with Expires headers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T19577#223774 (10Jdlrobson) [22:51:19] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-Uploading, 7Crosswiki, 7JavaScript: Use site-specific tags for cross-wiki-upload - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127889#2057682 (10Josve05a) [22:55:14] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-Uploading, 7Crosswiki, 7JavaScript: Use site-specific tags for cross-wiki-upload - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127889#2057713 (10MarkTraceur) a:3matmarex Assigning MatmaRex so he can look at this when he gets back. [23:07:11] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-Uploading, 7Crosswiki, 7JavaScript: Use site-specific tags for cross-wiki-upload - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127889#2057774 (10JEumerus) Is it in scope (or technically possible) for the tags to also indicate the original file page on the original wiki? [23:09:56] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-Uploading, 7Crosswiki, 7JavaScript: [Cross-wiki-upload] indicate article where image was uploaded from - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127895#2057826 (10Josve05a) [23:10:02] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-Uploading, 7Crosswiki, 7JavaScript: [Cross-wiki-upload] indicate article where image was uploaded from - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127895#2057826 (10Josve05a) [23:25:59] MarkTraceur: Hmm, you seen https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:MediaWiki_1.26#Upload_file.2Fimages_broke_when_updating_to_1.26 ? [23:58:50] News to me [23:58:55] Also I have my steak and I'm in the meeting. [23:59:12] James_F: Looks to me like a vendor/ issue but I'll ask