[18:35:34] yo, what is the you tube url? [18:40:21] drdee, I think it's probably a bit early, due to start at 7pm [18:43:15] aight, i am to the 1:30 EST start time [18:52:15] Quick sanity check: Is the meeting in 10 minutes? [18:52:36] yes [18:52:37] you work for the WMF. We have no sanity here, foolish mortal [18:52:38] (yes) [18:52:44] thanks [18:52:56] Ironholds: fair enough. [18:53:24] Hola. URL for metrics meeting published yet? [18:54:37] siebrand: Not yet. [18:54:47] k [18:56:17] Hello All, here is the link to watch the metrics meeting live: http://youtu.be/wB5m5AHoGno [18:56:29] Thanks! [18:57:38] Everyone: PLease tweet, Facebook, identi.ca, shout this URL. [18:57:43] We need a crowd. [18:57:45] heh [18:57:52] also, if someone could add it to the meta page, that'd be great [18:57:57] you have to nowiki it due to spam filter [18:58:04] I did it [18:58:30] beat me to it :p [18:59:20] ah, silent edit conflict [18:59:33] Eloquence: There's a trick to get the URL in anyway. Put two templates next to each other and put part of the URL in each. [18:59:48] Eloquence: Then it renders combined as a URL in the page where the templates are used. [18:59:48] The link seems to work without nowiki if we use the full youtube url instead of the youtu.be url shortener [18:59:54] yeah [18:59:56] true [19:00:01] guillom: feel free to change that [19:00:20] sumanah: I already did, it's how I noticed it :) [19:00:31] whilst we're on the topic of spreading the news about the meeting, what are your thoughts on converting the "IRC office hours" calendar we have to also include tech meetsups and metrics meetings like this one - so make it a more "the WMF interacting with the community sessions" calendar? [19:00:32] cool :-) [19:00:57] I'm going to add lots of relevant links to the https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2012-12-06 page to annotate what people are saying in the meeting [19:01:04] anyone care about *where* I put those links? [19:01:22] ok, we're about to get started :) [19:01:35] Thehelpfulone: I'm in favor of consolidating, but I wouldn't label them as "WMF interacting with the community", I'd rather see them as "thematic community gathering", with or without WMF involvement [19:01:47] WE'RE ON NOW! [19:01:56] Eloquence, shoudl I be joining hangout now or later? [19:02:04] link to hangout plz [19:02:06] yeah I don't mind re the name [19:02:10] cndiv: ^ ottomata1's question [19:02:20] cndiv: ^ Steven_Zhang's question [19:02:21] youtube is live [19:02:28] * guillom raises hand in response to Erik's question. [19:02:40] * sumanah reported guillom's hand [19:02:45] what if you want to be in the hangout too? [19:02:47] repeat question please? sorry [19:02:52] doing 10 things at one [19:02:54] once [19:03:02] 488 million unique visitors [19:03:03] cndiv, Steven_Zhang and ottomata1 want google hangout links [19:03:10] http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/ [19:03:22] I don't have a question, I was saying I'm interested in hearing more about the restructuring :) [19:03:24] sumanah/cndiv, i will be presenting a real short bit later, so will need to be in hangout for that [19:03:48] This is the link to JOIN the hangout. NOT stream: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/4bf3f3ac9df602c25a37bf23bb501553dba8a7de# [19:03:51] the red spike in Active For All Projects is from Wiki Loves Monuments [19:04:11] let's see if the new higher level continues to sustain [19:04:25] 15 million items on Commons! just hit in the last week I think [19:04:56] now, HR metrics [19:05:03] sumanah, just as an FYI, the slides on google docs need to be made public [19:05:13] joined in Nov: Juliusz, Quim, & Raymond [19:05:15] they're currently "you need to request access for this" [19:05:21] Eloquence: ^ question from Thehelpfulone [19:05:34] <3 [19:05:38] actually sorry only the second link - the FDC one [19:06:16] New contractors: Robert Miller, Nischay Nahata, Ian P., ? Sakurai, Mike Wang [19:06:20] see @wikimediaatwork [19:06:37] On financials: still reviewing month of Oct [19:06:54] (are my notes helpful? I'll also put links on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2012-12-06 when there's a moment) [19:07:02] we're underspent, as we often are at this time of year [19:07:07] hiring has run late [19:07:07] yes, sumanah, thanks a lot! [19:07:22] we'll maybe use that excess capacity (money) later in the fiscal year [19:07:40] expenses & revenue ..... about $3million under in engineering? [19:07:54] Global Dev is alittle under compared to plan, Legal is a little over basically because of that litigation that should be over soon [19:08:03] Wikivoyage! now included in All Active Editors On All Projects [19:08:13] en.wikivoyage-old.org -- the old site [19:08:34] an org in Germany imported content from Wikitravel, created wikis in mult. languages, been hosting them a few months [19:08:43] Oct/nov - big processs of importing them to WMF [19:08:54] New: en.wikivoyage.org !! [19:08:57] still in beta. [19:09:04] Good yawn! [19:09:14] Ongoing process of importing content to Commons [19:09:18] siebrand: what do you mean? [19:09:21] http://www.wikivoyage.org/ portal page with more languages [19:09:32] they need help - "help with cleanup" page, please visit [19:09:36] it's a thriving community [19:09:40] sumanah: The person visible in the lower right corner did a huge yawn a minute ago. [19:09:46] mobile site has gone live! en.m.wikivoyage.org [19:09:49] siebrand: that's me :P [19:09:58] oh :) [19:10:00] it's 6am here, leave me a lone [19:10:01] de.m.wikivoyage.org [19:10:14] there's a logo contest! see meta.wikimedia.org [[Wikivoyage/Logo]] [19:10:14] :P [19:10:15] if you are into commons and licensing .. you can help most with uploading missing images and reviewing for correct licensing [19:10:21] you can vote! [19:10:38] some are WM colors, some are not. voting closes 8 Dec [19:10:54] commons: Category: Files from Wikivoyage Shared, Files from Wikivoyage WTS [19:11:05] (WTS is Wikitravel projects) [19:11:13] because of the German origin, de.wikivoyage.org is very active and has most of the former ops [19:11:34] In future: better support for maps! very limited support for mapping right now on toolserver. mobile also interested in mapping. WMF is building out an OpenStreetMap server. [19:11:50] We have stats! stats.wikimedia.org/wikivoyage/ etc. [19:12:03] so they're just total edits? [19:12:09] wikivoyage.com is also a redirect to .org meanwhile [19:12:11] 55 edits…oh its editors [19:12:21] there was a drop during the conversion but in the next month we should see it return to 100,150, more people. [19:12:27] I thought it was 55 edits. [19:12:32] Hundreds, not thousands. :-) but now hope to grow! [19:12:57] http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikivoyage/EN/ReportCardTopWikis.htm [19:13:05] now, Visual Editor! https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Visual_editor [19:13:08] since wikivoyage is an existing imported community it is advisable to be careful with automatically assuming everything works like in WP [19:13:24] slides are on Google Docs https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1bsP3zJB-K4KSmMABD-BwJT9d9tMbvo5OujZBpWR94VM/edit [19:13:37] some things they just wanted to do differently and there is ongoing discussion on things like unifying templates etc [19:13:40] jamesF <3 [19:14:08] please look at those slides, I'm gonna add those URLs I just typed here into the meta page :-) [19:15:12] Hint for presenter: When presenting on Google Hangout, do not use small font sizes. [19:15:31] its not that small :) [19:15:49] In this case the text in the yellow box is the smallest that can be read, at least by me. [19:16:20] siebrand, you can also look at the google doc [19:16:55] When I'm looking at IRC, I cannot look at the hangout. [19:17:02] So the process isn't optimal yet. [19:17:09] I generally encouraged presenters to make their docs/PDFs public, next time I'll make it a requirement [19:17:15] "99.99% parsed without crashes" [19:17:33] This visual is too small, for example. [19:18:30] ok, a bunch of notes are now in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2012-12-06#Notes.2Flinks [19:18:32] hi, where's the hangout? [19:18:40] updated Fortnightly [19:18:43] Q: is it decided which wikis this deployment will be on? [19:18:43] VE is NOT READY yet, James says :-) [19:18:50] haha, James_F will have to do some work now ;p [19:19:45] bah who needs IE ;-) [19:20:04] Looook, there's an extra tab called "VisualEditor" ooooh ahhhhhh [19:20:10] IE sucks [19:20:29] Eloquence: cndiv - Ziko is wondering about the hangout [19:20:34] Eloquence: Q: is it decided which wikis this deployment will be on? [19:20:46] the stream link is in the subject, do you want to join? [19:20:49] see topic for youtube stream, ziko [19:20:53] you get things like spell-checking [19:21:18] wow, it is awesome [19:21:22] spell-checking: does it use the correct type of English (British)? :P [19:21:22] Hi the-wub :) [19:21:33] slides are on Google Docs https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1bsP3zJB-K4KSmMABD-BwJT9d9tMbvo5OujZBpWR94VM/edit and more info is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Visual_editor [19:21:36] Thehelpfulone: ooh, that's a good point. [19:21:37] hi Steven_Zhang :) [19:21:42] Thehelpfulone: hehe, Australian ? [19:21:53] he's british [19:22:04] got it - thanks [19:22:06] Any questions for James or Gabriel? [19:22:15] cndiv, btw, do we have andrew otto in the hangout for the analytics presentation? [19:22:16] Well, not really a question. [19:22:22] But spell-checking already works in Firefox for me. [19:22:27] superm401: go ahead, what is your question or comment? [19:22:29] Eloquence Andrew is in the hangout on standby [19:22:36] ok great [19:22:38] Spellchecking works with the old editor in Firefox. [19:22:41] yeah I'm British, hopefully James_F is choosing the right type! [19:23:01] re spellchecking: what about different Englishes? someone asks. Answer: your browser determines that. [19:23:06] sumanah: only my one above. which wikis will Tuesday's deployment be on? [19:23:27] LeslieCarr, they'll be using misc boxes that have been provisioned for next week's deployment, there's an RT ticket about it. [19:23:37] they were pretty late in asking for it, but it's being worked on right now. [19:23:43] oh i am working on it right now [19:23:45] lol, I am a disembodied voice [19:23:47] the-wub: I'm trying to grab a microphone so I can try to ask your question and the related question [19:23:57] for a Tuesday deployment, Thursday network assignments .... [19:23:59] cool, thanks sumanah :) [19:24:06] and with basically no time to stress test them [19:24:19] yeah, fun. fortunately it won't affect normal usage if it dies. [19:24:38] current plan: deploy to more than just en.wp [19:24:44] we have 792 content wikis and we support all of them [19:24:48] We have 792 wikis? [19:24:50] wow [19:24:55] there has been a lot of support to support non-Latin langs [19:24:58] odn't know the list for sure [19:25:04] EN + a few others [19:25:12] afterwards, we will roll it out as wikis ask for that [19:25:12] the-wub: you can find https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Software_deployments#Ongoing useful - this is the deployment planning. [19:25:16] Steven_Zhang: at least 819:) [19:25:18] as we can support it [19:25:25] It would be interesting to see if RTL works too [19:25:25] that's a lot [19:25:30] via https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes [19:25:43] clap [19:25:56] thanks Dereckson [19:26:07] next: mobile beta site -- contributing via mobile devices! [19:26:13] sumanah, you don't interwiki on a local wiki :) [19:26:21] aieeeeee [19:26:23] silly me [19:26:25] Is the visual editor going to be open sourced as it's own project? [19:26:35] blobaugh: yes, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Visual_editor [19:26:39] anyone can grab it [19:26:45] Mobile: exciting cool new features [19:26:49] Maryana P talking now [19:26:54] Experimental beta features [19:27:03] "New experimental features in Beta: editing and photo uploader demo - Jon & Maryana - 10m" [19:27:08] Eloquence: where are those slides? [19:27:10] blobaugh, yes. the editor is in fact under a more permissive license (mit?) to allow easier reuse by third parties [19:27:16] want to work towards 1000 uploads per month [19:27:21] is the photo upload like the wlm app minus the "branding"? [19:27:24] begin research on mobile editing [19:27:48] Eloquence: do you have an idea of what is required for IE support? I may be able to convince MS to put some muscle behind it [19:27:53] she's talking about a mobile beta site and I don't know the link, Eloquence do you? [19:28:02] blobaugh, talk to James_F :) [19:28:24] watchlist view for experienced editors [19:28:25] sumanah, the mobile beta is accessible by visiting the "Settings" in the menu (the three horizontal lines) and enabling it. [19:28:35] James_F: yo, that question be to you then :). What support is needed to get IE working with the visual editor? [19:28:43] 100k users opted into beta [19:28:47] oh this is for the beta version of the m. subdomain [19:28:55] yes [19:29:06] blobaugh: The main problem is that IE (even IE10) violates the HTML spec. and ignores "contenteditable: false;", which means we fundamentally can't protect content that users aren't meant to edit in the "contenteditable: true;" content block. [19:29:07] We have potential new editors using our site so we have to serve them + experienced editors [19:29:16] for beta we focus on new potential editor and this is a big unknown [19:29:25] potential/new editor: editing, photo uploads, watchlist [19:29:30] blobaugh: There are other issues (JS model stuff, mostly), but that one's the show-stopper for today. [19:29:36] Photo uploader on mobile web -- Jon Robson & bangalore hackathon shout-out [19:29:52] use WLM premise - you are in the wild & have a mobile device [19:30:12] call to action to add an image [19:30:27] add one from your cameraphone or cameraroll [19:30:36] fill out a little desc for the image caption [19:30:42] generic cc-by-sa 3.0 license [19:30:47] that was fast! [19:30:50] it goes into the article! [19:30:53] jon's got hops [19:30:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB5m5AHoGno [19:31:00] image uploaded to Commons AND thumbnail-inserted into the article! [19:31:01] that's super awesome [19:31:05] a little buggy but cool [19:31:10] Very cool. [19:31:11] YOU CAN TRY THIS RIGHT NOW [19:31:15] but it does really upload to commons, right [19:31:18] doesn't seem to work? [19:31:24] Yeah, the smooth upload from the cameraphone is cool. [19:31:33] at least on Jon's user page [19:31:44] how do I opt into the beta? go to the settings page -- 3 lines ("hamburger") icon & turn the beta switch on [19:31:45] James_F: Can you email me a blurb about the issues, especially that contenteditable portion? I will get it over to the MS IE team and see if there is something that can be done about it [19:31:57] blobaugh: Sure - what address? [19:32:05] a-beloba@microsoft.com [19:32:10] adds something like Category:Uploaded via Android app i suppose? [19:32:21] oh wow, editing via mobile?? [19:32:27] on mobile: gotta split textareas into smaller areas for paragraphs & sentences [19:32:29] James_F: Are you the lead dev on the editor? [19:32:30] easier to delete spam [19:32:33] blobaugh: Awesome. [19:32:34] section things [19:32:38] that's editing - in mobile :o [19:32:47] blobaugh: No, I'm the Product Manager; I'll get the lead dev. involved too. [19:32:51] Does that work now?? [19:32:58] blobaugh: try reading the https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Visual_editor infobox :-) [19:33:08] James_F: great, add him in as a cc as well :) [19:33:14] so, opt into the beta & give feedback! [19:33:24] blobaugh: Will do. [19:33:29] if you go to the Recent Changes page, try the mobileedit ? tag to find those people using it [19:33:32] Wikimedia Foundation article has multiple issues [19:33:35] reverting vandalism [19:33:44] any questions? [19:33:50] sumanah: oh great, thanks [19:33:51] "are we tagging these?" [19:33:59] tag: "mobile edit" [19:34:07] is there a direct link from current mobile website pointing you to beta? [19:34:10] [Via Mobile] [19:34:28] you use the Settings thingy [19:34:30] nothing in the footer [19:34:49] is this in the existing "Wikipedia Beta" app in playstore? [19:34:55] mutante: too late, sorry [19:35:06] sumanah: np, dont worry [19:35:08] i just wanted to say its really awesome [19:35:11] brion: ^ question from mutante [19:35:27] yes, mobile editing is awesome [19:35:28] mutante: editing is in the mobile web site, not yet in the apps [19:35:29] ok, now Andrew Otto via Hangout from Analytics [19:35:38] brion: gotcha [19:35:40] but you have to switch in "beta mode" in settings [19:35:40] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics [19:35:48] ok, thanks [19:35:49] and Evan Rosen as well [19:36:00] Eloquence: do you have the GDocs presentation from Aotto? :/ [19:36:14] we have a hadoop cluster with 120 TB of avail space [19:36:19] not robust prod-ready yet [19:36:26] so we can't say we will support regular stats generation [19:36:29] but 1-off requests, yes [19:36:39] so if you or your team has a datamining request let them know [19:36:44] they will guide you in using the cluster [19:36:48] there is a UI for building jobs [19:36:52] Analytics is working on robustifying [19:36:55] sumanah, no slides [19:37:10] you should be able to come & browse your data, run queries, etc. [19:37:16] if you have questions, #wikimedia-analytics [19:37:29] also the mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics [19:37:32] Evan on a use case: [19:37:36] Wikipedia Zero [19:37:42] https://blog.wikimedia.org/tag/wikipedia-zero/ [19:37:53] provider will provide as many page views as there are. So, counting views in the logs. [19:38:11] Evan was running this on stat1 and couldn't count them on a 24-hour cycle to update the dashboard. [19:38:22] Using Hadoop, could look at all the year's sampled counts in under an hour!! [19:38:38] global-dev.wmflabs.org/graphs/monthly_metrics_demo [19:38:50] now we have a daily location-specific view count [19:38:56] brazil_daily_requests [19:39:02] any questions about Hadoop or analytics? [19:39:26] this infrastructure will be useful for all these complex longrunning analyses on large sets of data, terabytes of data where you need to process in a short time [19:39:31] parallelize [19:39:41] essential infrastructure for some types of analysis like logfile processing [19:39:47] ok, no questions it sounds like [19:40:02] ok, next update: a big deal! [19:40:04] FDC [19:40:19] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_and_Funds_Dissemination [19:40:27] https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/1FkhZt26T70KVtMX5bpOd1u6kfU6eUAb1DEG1P5GWBXg/edit#slide=id.p [19:40:32] FDC update (end of Round 1) - Anasuya and Winifred [19:41:13] Fire Department Connection signs is now a Commons category ;-) [19:41:18] thanks to Haitham & to Mike Peel [19:41:22] we're at the end of round 1 of FDC [19:41:26] Eloquence, and the others that just demoed the mobile, the photo uploading is very cool https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lead_Photo_For_User-Thehelpfulone-phototest0-0009688765276223421.jpg [19:41:29] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone/phototest is the enwiki page [19:41:36] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/fd-advisorygroup [19:41:39] but I know people will be complaining about those image names [19:41:42] :) [19:41:50] is that number on the end a random one? [19:42:13] preilly: brion: ^ re Thehelpfulone's note [19:42:14] mutante, I'm not sure if we're still using that, it seems to have been dead since the FDC was formed [19:42:25] getting unique filenames is important to avoid conflicts .. I think we need an API to come up with shorter ones [19:42:31] I recommend remote people look at the slides for this presentation https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/1FkhZt26T70KVtMX5bpOd1u6kfU6eUAb1DEG1P5GWBXg/edit#slide=id.p [19:42:39] Thehelpfulone: of the upload filenames? yes, the number is either a timestamp or random or a combination i forget [19:42:42] it's for uniqueness [19:42:46] Thehelpfulone: oh, ok, there was something else "fdc" maybe i mixed it up [19:42:46] we'll want to improve that in future [19:42:47] I am going to put a bunch of links in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2012-12-06#Notes.2Flinks now :-) [19:42:57] mutante, yeah, fdc@ has been created but that's a private one [19:43:11] right, thx [19:43:35] brion, yeah, perhaps truncating it a bit as if we're keeping the page name in there then that would help for uniqueness [19:43:59] *nod* ideally we'd have a "clean" name if there's no uniqueness troubles. we'll improve it over time :D [19:44:00] it might be an idea, if possible, to autocategorise these images so people on commons can go about tidying them up (renaming them etc) [19:44:41] Thehelpfulone: ack, i think it will have categories, since the WLM app did that too [19:46:19] Thehelpfulone, I think the first question is how much activity we're even going to see, especially while it requires first logging in on mobile [19:46:43] yeah, I'm just thinking long-term [19:47:07] feel free to clean up https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2012-12-06#Notes.2Flinks folks :-) and add notes, I have been concentrating on links [19:47:43] oh yeah - has this restructure document been made public yet? [19:48:01] No, I don't think so. [19:48:07] I think Sue's planning to send a note later today [19:49:23] Anasuya -- looking at budgets, round 1 funding snapshot right now in https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/1FkhZt26T70KVtMX5bpOd1u6kfU6eUAb1DEG1P5GWBXg/edit#slide=id.p [19:50:51] overall, grants were given to 11 entities, including a bridge fund for WM France, (another thing for WM Australia, couldn't hear) [19:51:15] check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-10-29/News_and_notes for FDC summary [19:51:25] Anasuya says: we want more community review of these proposals [19:51:37] the work these entities do affect our editing communities [19:51:59] coming: brownbag on FDC on Wed next week at noon [19:52:02] hey thehelpfulone: yes, I am planning to send the note to the public lists later today. [19:52:04] (noon Pacific Time I assume) [19:52:22] Erik: all these orgs are doing very interesting work [19:52:27] sgardner, great thanks for confirming (I didn't see you were on as I noticed you've had a bit of a flaky connection!) [19:52:40] WMF often would not because we don't have local expertise [19:52:45] some is experimental [19:52:55] FDC, all associated eval processes are very important [19:52:57] Asaf [19:53:06] Asaf's presentation is deferred till next month to stay on schedule! [19:53:17] quick update on fundraiser from Katie Horn & Zack Exley? [19:53:23] yeah I am just opening & closing my laptop, actually. my connection's fine :-) [19:53:24] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2012 [19:53:28] yay fundraisers :-) [19:53:31] Zack now [19:53:36] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:FundraiserStatistics [19:53:40] banners are down! did you know that? [19:53:53] after like 8 days we got enough money that we could take banners down [19:54:02] new: we are showing people who have never seen baners yet 1 or 2 impresisons [19:54:15] we will probably make enough money that way to not have to bring fundraising banners up in full again [19:54:21] contribution campaign at end of month, probably [19:54:31] Katie on amazing tech, then Zack on banners [19:54:46] Our biggest day in 2011 - we passed it this year by like 60% [19:54:51] 2.35 million USD in 24 hours [19:54:56] that is about 27 dollars a second [19:55:03] and the biggest hour was more like 45 dollars/second [19:55:10] $163,000 [19:55:23] We have AN AMAZING TEAM [19:55:30] sumanah: it's funny, your messages come seconds before the video [19:55:43] Z: we've worked on pres campaigns with tons of money and it always dies at big moments (the procesS) [19:55:45] which produces a very strange experience [19:55:53] this is very hard to do what our team is doing! that many donations that fast! [19:56:00] sumanah, for the tech there's probably something missing from that graph, Zack posted a couple of days ago in his mailing list post that we had raised 18.5 million IIRC [19:56:01] Sumana's prophetic. [19:56:03] half the eng dept has worked on fundraising 1 time or another [19:56:11] they are eliminating milliseconds off transactions every day [19:56:12] reading something, then 1-2 seconds after that hearing it on the video :) [19:56:15] a joy to work with the team! [19:56:29] these numbers are only coming in from 5 EN-speeaking countries [19:56:36] sumanah, the team is awesome, but did we do a shoutout to the donors? [19:56:47] we decided to do english first, discover strong messages and then use them in 3 months [19:56:54] Eloquence: ^ superm401's question [19:57:05] and Thehelpfulone could you link to that post? [19:57:20] sure, one sec [19:57:24] zack says: in my dream scenario, we will show newcomers 1 banner impression and people will not really notice [19:57:33] except a few times a year they'll see it [19:57:52] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-December/122921.html [19:57:53] and that's how we will raise lots of our money and just have a few days of fundraiser at the end of the year [19:58:03] I do notice a problem with the fundraising thing [19:58:06] webdevs, people concerned about privacy, etc will see these all the time because they clear cookies [19:58:13] its hard to close on mobile [19:58:15] most people visit after their very first visit [19:58:19] we want to make it low-impact [19:58:27] Zack explaining banners we use right now [19:58:33] tfinc: Steven_Zhang - talk to each other :-) [19:58:39] howdy [19:58:42] Zack says: Jimmyface stopped working! [19:58:49] we were terrified for a few months [19:59:08] then, found something that worked -- yellow banner -- ugly! [19:59:10] Steven_Zhang: did you have a question about our mobile projects ? [19:59:18]