[18:05:25] google hangout for metrics meeting at 11:30 am https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6dc6a1b71c73353f055d5259b30f7f749e262c3b [18:16:07] that was not a good google hangout url. there are problems with google hangouts we will post a new one shortly. [18:16:19] whee [18:29:43] The meeting is in 30 min, right? [18:32:38] According to the email just received, yes [18:39:42] Do we have a link yet? [18:45:56] What's the hangout URL? [18:46:09] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6dc6a1b71c73353f055d5259b30f7f749e262c3b [18:46:14] (can that be in the topic next time?) [18:46:16] ty Ironholds [18:46:18] (siebrand/dschoon) [18:47:08] i imagine everyone is having problems connecting? [18:47:13] * Thehelpfulone trouts Ironholds [18:47:13] yep [18:47:14] " that was not a good google hangout url. there are problems with google hangouts we will post a new one shortly." [18:47:37] are we doing this On Air? [18:48:05] Ironholds: Have you got the private URL for me, or is everything being reset? [18:48:13] yep dschoon otherwise there would be too many people in the hangout [18:48:37] and the on-air URL isn't ready yet? [18:48:50] siebrand: I don't know, I'm afraid. I only have it because rduward sent it out. [18:48:53] k [18:48:55] (in this chan, but before you got here) [18:49:35] hi gyoung. [18:49:42] meeting is at 11am [18:49:47] Hi Siebrand! :) [18:50:16] rdurward: Huh? that's in 13h10 mins? [18:50:47] (might differ depending on ones timezone) [18:50:47] oops not used tot he worldwide meetings. [18:50:51] siebrand, 11am SF time :P [18:51:01] Thehelpfulone: You mean 11:00 PDT? [18:51:12] yes per https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2013-01-10 [18:51:16] I'm really not used to am/pm notation. [18:51:52] we should all set our clocks to UTC [18:52:04] or better yet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time [18:52:31] yeah, timezones were a nice transitional idea [18:52:38] not really a feasible longterm thing' [18:52:58] I love when non-standard time terms such as noon are used [18:53:20] Makes timezone calculations more fun [18:53:26] dusk is better pginer [18:53:29] meeting is at 1900 UTC [18:54:21] we deploy at dawn! [18:54:33] so i still can't connect to the hangout [18:54:35] is it not ready yet? [18:57:09] anyone got the youtube stream figured out for the metrix meeting yet? [18:59:17] Hi all, is that link in the channel topic to view or to join? [18:59:25] I can't check as I'm already in the hangout on another computer [18:59:32] * sumanah does not know [18:59:43] the stream link is: http://youtu.be/Bt68Yd1mt_k [18:59:44] so that should probably be in the topic [18:59:46] * sumanah cannot join "It's taking too long to connect you to this hangout. Try again in a few minutes." [18:59:55] sumanah: i've been getting the same [18:59:57] I've seen a bunch of that today, it's on Google's side [19:00:13] I just had a hangout with 1 other person <1 hr ago and it was fine :( [19:00:18] keep trying is all I can suggest [19:00:44] cndiv, you should be able to edit the topic yourself too [19:01:25] Thehelpfulone: Thanks. [19:01:33] np :) [19:01:47] I put it in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2013-01-10 as well [19:02:12] * James_F is apparently the IRC<->Reality scribe/conduit today. [19:02:30] We'll be starting in a little. [19:02:39] Thehelpfulone, is that first link to join the meeting? [19:02:43] I doubt that should be in the topic [19:03:05] James_F: thank you, that's a very welcome role to fulfill :-) I guess I did it in Dec [19:03:52] cndiv, good point, I think it was an old one that didn't work though [19:04:08] Changed now. [19:04:09] oh really! ha [19:04:16] wait, IRC is not reality? mind > blown [19:04:19] and we're on [19:04:46] youtube started [19:04:50] Cool. [19:04:55] still can't get in the hangout [19:04:59] :-( [19:05:38] the stream works [19:07:21] What was that question [19:07:37] Question was "where's the data from?" [19:07:40] From Sue, sorry. [19:07:47] Thanks, James! [19:08:05] is there a fixed hangout join url? [19:08:34] brion: No - you need for presenting/questions? [19:08:51] might want to ask questions later, i'll just relay by irc i guess :D [19:08:55] * James_F grins. [19:09:09] brion, sumanah seems to be in? [19:09:22] I PMed Chip to ask for an invite. [19:09:24] [19:09:25] Thanks for the shoutout. :) [19:09:45] superm401: Pleasure to have you. :-) [19:10:41] * ragesoss claps for Joseph Silverman, who just help get ragesoss onto the file server successfully. [19:10:54] Thanks, and welcome to all the other new people. [19:11:19] Anyone with questions, just shout. :-) [19:13:03] So has anyone managed to pull any data from common's EXIF data. Camera models and the like [19:13:24] geniice: Did you mean to ask that in #wikimedia-commons? [19:13:33] no [19:14:28] geniice: Oh, OK. We're currently having the monthly Metrics meeting, not sure of whom I'd ask that. [19:16:08] reminder: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2013-01-10 includes links to the slides on Google Docs -- world-readable [19:17:07] sumanah, is that finances one on there too? [19:17:09] sumanah: Thanks; have added to the topic. [19:17:17] I don't know. [19:17:21] Thehelpfulone: Not yet, but it will be. [19:17:23] is that 40% useful stat based on random samples, just based on all feedback that gets moderated? [19:17:36] ragesoss: Will ask. [19:17:46] I imagine useful feedback is more likely to get moderated. [19:17:58] ragesoss, possibly. [19:18:13] The unreviewed filter is a clearly essential improvement. I'm glad they're now doing it. [19:18:26] ragesoss: I think from what Dario says that it was a random sample of all feedback posts. [19:18:54] good. [19:18:55] :) [19:19:02] thanks, James_F [19:19:15] ragesoss: Sorry, we were moved on, I didn't get to ask the question. [19:20:07] one for Dario James_F, doesn't necessarily need to be answered at the moment but those 205 successful accounts created on slide 7 of AFT5 - do we have any further metrics for them in terms of how many got editing/were blocked etc? [19:20:34] ragesoss: Dario will get back to you. [19:20:51] Thehelpfulone: Will ask Dario to respond to you, too. :-) [19:22:02] Sorry - tight, tight schedule [19:23:34] yay re "people being responsible for their actions" [19:23:46] Q: This only works for English language Wikipedia, or all Wikimedia wikis? [19:24:11] "tea party mentor" - I think Aaron meant Teahouse :) [19:24:20] hah, I heard that too. [19:24:41] thar trying to take our guns! [19:24:42] that would be scary! [19:25:52] snerk [19:25:58] binasher: 1776 WILL COMMENCE AGAIN [19:27:22] siebrand: I think it's enwiki-only so far, but could be extended. [19:27:24] I am looking forward to the spread & growth of Snuggle :-) thanks Aaron! [19:27:50] Slides on GDocs re Fabrice's presentation: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1qVzlgBOotLxaYDtRwQMmQDxh9_37v3eMjjoG4oAZjnw/edit [19:28:11] Yes, there just might be a way to possibly potentially do that in some future time. Thanks James_F :) [19:28:17] siebrand: Just spoke to Aaron; he says it's designed to be extended to whatever wiki you want. [19:28:22] No problem. [19:28:27] That's great to hear :) [19:28:56] James_F: Tell him that query.i18n might make his i18n experience easy. [19:29:06] * James_F nods. [19:29:12] James_F: It's in the Wikimedia organisation on GitHub. [19:29:17] Cool. [19:29:48] The text cannot be read. [19:30:00] Screenshots should be more detailed. [19:30:17] siebrand: Can you read the slides from https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1qVzlgBOotLxaYDtRwQMmQDxh9_37v3eMjjoG4oAZjnw/edit ? [19:30:40] James_F: Yes, I can. But this is recorded, and then it's a lot harder to provide that info. [19:31:01] siebrand: Sure. I'm sitting 4m from the screen and am using the electronic slides to read. [19:31:28] siebrand: Worth putting into the "how to contribute to Metrics" wiki page? [19:31:30] They could be linked in the video description in post-processing [19:31:42] James_F: Clear indication something is wrong, then, and there's something that could be learned. Which is why I'm pointing this out every month about all presentations :) [19:31:57] siebrand: Not about *my* presentations, though. :-) [19:32:08] James_F: Kudos! [19:32:23] Bence: We don't do post-processing, though - it's just the "live" YouTube stream. [19:32:42] I think you could stil edit the video description, no? [19:32:47] still [19:32:53] Bence: I'll ask Chip if we can do that. [19:32:58] Any questions for Fabrice? [19:33:14] "why do we think people don't want to get spammed?" Sue asks -- what's the reason for believing that? [19:33:20] send me a techsupport@ ticket about it, otherwise I'm going to forget :-) [19:33:21] Facebook spams you at that rate. [19:33:39] cndiv: Aye aye. [19:33:47] also, as a general tip against vandals, don't make the slides editable by anyone through the live broadcast... [19:34:38] Bence: They should be set to world-readable, yes. [19:35:18] the last one was editable as well... (but yes, they should be readable but not editable) [19:35:25] cndiv: Ticket £615. :-) [19:35:29] Err. #615. [19:35:39] Now, S & Steven talking about E3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_engagement_experiments [19:36:51] superm401, do you have a staff account that you could link to at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_engagement_experiments#Who_at_the_Foundation_is_working_on_these_experiments.3F instead of your volunteer admin one? [19:36:58] do we have an idea of how many of those users are making accounts for reasons other than editing? [19:37:09] Thehelpfulone, no. [19:37:17] I currently have just the one account. [19:37:35] superm401: You will want a second one, I'd imagine. [19:37:54] James_F, I will if I need to (e.g. I'm doing something that requires special rights). [19:38:07] Steven is talking about how he felt bad seeing people go through the 8 tabs of preferences as their first action..... [19:38:19] sumanah: I know that feeling [19:38:19] superm401, you should be doing *any* foundation work under a different account ideally [19:38:23] we have *way* too many preferences [19:38:27] superm401: well, presumably, you're linking your personal account, right? [19:38:28] right after account creation, give people some ideas of the first things they could do :-) [19:38:33] superm401: Even if not rights-specific. [19:38:39] Thehelpfulone, I don't consider working on an open source project "Foundation Work" [19:38:39] so people will go to that talkpage, leave you a message, you'll reply to it... [19:38:41] We can follow up later. [19:38:43] ...and you've just crossed the streams :) [19:38:59] BTW, I do think people will react very negatively to getting too many emails. [19:39:07] And possibly even too many on-wiki Echo notificatoins. [19:39:10] Thehelpfulone: the advice we've been given says that it is okay to have just 1 account as long as we have the appropriate disclaimers [19:39:14] superm401: I agree re. too many e-mails. [19:39:16] Not everyone is sophisticated to set up filters. [19:39:19] superm401: greed [19:39:21] *a [19:39:27] * varnent sorry he missed the presentation - but a big fan of Echo [19:39:30] James_F: question for Steven: When is E3 going to test pointing newcomers to tutorials to explain the culture and rules, instead of edit mechanics? [19:39:39] BTW, I do have a clear statement that I'm an employee but I'm speaking on my own behalf unless otherwise stated. [19:39:43] ragesoss: Will try to ask if we have time. [19:39:45] varnent: you can still watch now! and catch the YT archive later! [19:40:04] sumanah: I'll catch the archive :) [19:40:08] :) [19:40:32] I inevitably ask myself repeatidly "wait - what did I miss" if I jump in midway [19:40:40] superm401: sure, and that's helpful, but my _staff_ account has that message. [19:40:54] "my statement does not represent the WMF" != "this isn't in my capacity as an employee" [19:41:03] I rarely instruct Sue what to do via User:Ironholds ;p [19:41:10] http://piramido.wmflabs.org/preso/links.html [19:41:20] nice [19:41:23] but apparently if I explicitly said I was speaking for the WMF, I would be? [19:42:24] As sumanah said, there is no rule that I have to have a separate staff Wikipedia account if I'm not being given any staff privileges. [19:42:50] (I'm going by the advice on our official policy page) [19:43:01] Now grants. [19:43:03] the ACUX project is exciting and yay [19:43:03] no but it has been known to reduce the level of drama [19:43:23] that's a red herring. Of course we can't point them to the standard policy pages, which are not at all tailored to newcomers and conveying the basics concisely. [19:43:23] genlice, if I'm doing something dramatic that I wouldn't do as a non-employee, I might. [19:43:28] superm401: sure, there is no rule. There is, however, an explicit disclaimer in that policy you should normally use :) [19:43:44] "Flow funding" - flowfunding.org [19:43:54] Bear in mind that I was working on MW-related technology (e.g. ProveIt) using my account long before I was an employee. [19:44:03] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FF_portal [19:44:04] Ironholds, I am using a disclaimer. I'm not sure what you mean. [19:44:12] superm401: But not being a paid agent of the Foundation at that time. [19:44:15] Ironholds, turns out he does have a disclaimer, "Since December 2012, I have been employed by the Wikimedia Foundation. ...Unless I say otherwise, I'm only editing and speaking on my own behalf." just not all too visible as you'd normally see [19:44:19] " the Flow Funding Pilot, where Wikimedia volunteers will be entrusted with decision-making power to fund projects aligned with the Wikimedia movement strategic goals." [19:44:33] in complement to our other funding models [19:44:55] James_F, right, but I am clear about the fact that has changed (i.e. I'm now paid, but I'm still not a spokesman). [19:44:59] Thehelpfulone: indeed, but it's an explicit disclaimer, not an explicit need for a disclaimer, if that makes sense. [19:45:07] It's not the requisite disclaimer, I'm afraid, for staff with single accounts. [19:45:15] Moonriddengirl puts it better ;p [19:45:22] Moonriddengirl, link for "requisite disclaimer" rule? [19:45:26] * sumanah appreciates Asaf's little jokes [19:45:29] https://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_account_policy [19:45:35] * ragesoss too [19:45:56] wtf [19:45:59] (Apologies to those of you who can't follow it; it's a policy page for staff and the use of their accounts.) [19:46:12] brion: ? [19:46:24] superm401: and on the "special rights" - the top entry at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=Superm401&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= [19:46:27] i'm confused about the biblical narrative of fundraising here :) [19:46:29] that's a personal action? ;p [19:46:37] Ironholds, yes it is. [19:47:18] superm401: I'm confused. Can you explain to me how you in your personal capacity are involved in software deployments, or workarounds to issues you find with them? [19:47:24] brion: You're confused? You at least come from a strongly-Christian country. I'm just lost. The call-and-answer bit of everyone shouting out "Numbers" is just weird to me! [19:47:43] Ironholds, like I said, I was doing deployments on tech-related stuff before I was an employee. [19:47:49] No one told me to do that workaround. [19:48:03] i only know those books cause i tried to read the book once. got disgusted enough in exodus and leviticus and bored in numbers so i don't know what's next ;) [19:48:09] I thought it was a good idea, so I used my previously-earned admin rights. [19:48:20] Now Fundraising - https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/1snihaY1NRhf9cwAyY68WoqzrAHrQRaQQMgyY5l3Fz5I/edit#slide=id.g660b5101_1_3 [19:48:27] Ironholds, note that the deletion is in full compliance with criteria for speedy deletion [19:48:29] is the presentation mode working? [19:48:34] yes [19:49:04] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:FundraiserStatistics :-) [19:49:05] superm401: you don't seem to understand how this works. [19:49:07] great [19:49:14] I'm going to write up an email and drop it to you, we'll go from there. [19:49:16] Image computer dropped for me. [19:49:19] back [19:50:07] How much have I missed? [19:50:20] half [19:50:35] SteveMobile: we're in Fundraising now - see agenda at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2013-01-10 [19:50:47] IT'S KATIE YAYYYYYYY [19:50:59] :) [19:51:02] SteveMobile: You've missed the first 50 minutes of a nominally-60-minute-long agenda. :-) [19:51:07] I set two alarms to be up [19:51:34] Slept thru them both [19:51:38] "One touch tickets"? interesting bit of jargon [19:51:40] I always assume this meeting is 90 minutes long. Am I wrong? [19:51:48] It's Josh! Also Yayyyyyyy [19:51:52] heh [19:51:58] * sumanah is grateful to the people who pay her salary [19:51:59] we'll see how much we're over this time [19:52:11] Philippe is in the office? [19:52:12] well, who are a key pipeline for my salary :-) [19:52:29] what are the two colours on the slide? [19:52:31] geniice: "Solved with one reply". [19:52:44] Bence: Blue is a query that was "closed" with one reply from WMF. [19:52:52] Bence: Green is the others. [19:52:57] thanks [19:52:57] yes I know what it means I just find it a rather odd choice of jargon [19:53:23] Is there a hangout? [19:53:42] SteveMobile: http://youtu.be/Bt68Yd1mt_k [19:53:43] Ironholds, I'm fine discussing via email. [19:53:59] superm401: good. [19:54:21] SteveMobile: Yes. He's not recovered, but he has to be. He's presenting. :) [19:54:45] meganhernandez, the 500k views for the main video, did we manage to get that statistic from the number of people that clicked on the play image? (the youtube video only has 16k) [19:54:47] I just bumped pbeaudette to next month again, sorry [19:54:59] Oh! Man drags himself from his sickbed. :) [19:55:05] He has an interview, too. [19:55:11] Josh beard? When did that happen? [19:55:46] Moonriddengirl: Err. Last quarter? [19:55:46] "half a million"? https://www.youtube.com/user/WikimediaFoundation/videos?sort=p&flow=grid&view=0 [19:55:58] James_F: question for Victor: Did we test different kinds of 'asks' for the thank-you campaign to see what kinds of things get the most people to actually start? [19:56:07] (start editing, that is) [19:56:15] James_F: Clearly, the time between my visits is greater than it feels. :O [19:56:16] brasmussen: YouTube and Commons combined, I think. [19:56:17] for Maryana, I guess. [19:56:22] Moonriddengirl: he had it during my orientation :D [19:56:24] Moonriddengirl: We miss you! [19:56:32] he looks dashing [19:56:44] ragesoss: Already moved on, but I think we didn't. [19:56:47] James_F: as the slide says, the default embed was youtube; you had to click to get to commons [19:57:09] link again pleaae [19:57:10] youtube link didnt work on my iPhone [19:57:12] brasmussen: I know. [19:57:21] Steven_Zhang: http://youtu.be/Bt68Yd1mt_k [19:57:24] ta [19:57:41] James_F: as as I know we didn't, but I was hoping there were tests I didn't know about. The followup would be, is it planned for the spring drive? [19:57:53] ragesoss: Will pass on the question. [19:58:05] so there is a hangout [19:58:06] lol [19:58:16] Eloquence: you should send me lunch too :D [19:58:16] Now Sue Q&A. [19:58:51] Answers from the audience: No; yes. [19:58:54] "90 seconds" - If Sue only talks for 90 seconds right now I will eat this coffee mug [19:59:02] sumanah: :-) [19:59:19] sumanah: 90 seconds of talking, 10 minutes of answering questions. See? [19:59:30] Oh sumanah, thats you [19:59:36] brasmussen, there was a problem with the technicalities of embedding the video - they embedded the video in the banner so that the video didn't load on youtube unless the user clicked on that "play" button [19:59:36] coffee mug is safe [19:59:47] but the play button was actually an image, not a play button [20:00:00] and when you clicked the image it would auto-play the video [20:00:12] and youtube doesn't count autoplays towards the hit count [20:00:22] sumanah, does your mug say "dong"? [20:00:23] Thehelpfulone: so where did the stat come from? [20:00:27] so that 16k actually watched the video *on YouTube* [20:00:34] I think that's really great (What sue said WMF is doing about fundraising) [20:00:37] brasmussen: From server logs. [20:00:50] brasmussen, that's what I asked megan ~6 mins ago, I'd imagine from logs of the number of people clicking that image [20:00:53] ack, video breaking up for me. [20:01:03] dschoon: "Hong Kong" [20:01:03] Breaking for others too? [20:01:08] works for me [20:01:14] oh, good. that's much more sensible. [20:01:37] a little for me [20:01:45] aww, poor Jimmy. [20:01:50] my coworking space has a few mugs that seem like half-liter or so [20:02:22] (my video recovered, James_F. Just an issue with my connectivity, I'm sure) [20:02:22] And the fact that we made our money in record time with a low-key funraiser is testament to it working [20:02:22] "a very short look ahead" now :) [20:02:34] ragesoss: OK, good. :-) [20:02:37] i mean, she's not very teall. [20:02:39] *tall [20:03:23] Sue? [20:03:45] she's not very teal. [20:04:15] agreed. [20:04:24] the jacket is more... cobalt. [20:04:33] (and ridiculous with those pants.) [20:04:35] goodness. [20:04:40] yeah. if anyone sees teal, check your monitor calibration. [20:04:45] hah [20:04:48] a useful test! [20:04:56] Eloquence: you around? ping [20:05:04] Questions? [20:05:06] ... [20:05:10] Ya [20:05:12] well, comments [20:05:14] James_F is taking good care of us. :) [20:05:18] hey Thehelpfulone , yes matthew was able to estimate the number of views [20:05:30] Question from Erik: "Why does the annual plan take 6 months to build?" [20:05:33] I wanted to say my goodbyes :-) [20:05:40] what is it that may be 70 pages or not? [20:05:42] Question from Erik: "Is it going to be 60 pages long again?" [20:05:43] ah annual plan [20:05:50] * ragesoss offers James_F the choice of hug or high-five for taking care of us remoties. [20:05:54] since this is my last as staff [20:06:09] ragesoss: Aww. :-) I'll take the hug-five. Sounds interesting. [20:06:30] Steven_Zhang: I can say goodbye on your behalf if you want. [20:06:30] could you convey that James? :D [20:06:36] yeah please :) [20:06:58] Kk. [20:07:34] Eloquence, we all now know who complained about the lack of Sue time in the all staff questionnaire don't we? ;-) [20:07:45] Thw whole budget will go through the FDC? [20:07:59] I was wondering that too [20:08:22] Ah, well that's OK (if only non-core is identified as the reviewable part) [20:08:38] Yeah, that makes sense. I am in favor of being paid. [20:08:54] haha [20:08:57] laudable goal. [20:09:01] :P [20:09:03] nicely done, Sue. [20:09:25] doesn't non-core/core currently act as that distinction anyway? [20:09:29] like, it happened this year ;p [20:09:36] Ohh. Agile. I personally hope we can increasingly play buzzword bingo during these meetings. [20:09:43] Ironholds: But the non-core budget wasn't sent to the FDC even for info. [20:09:48] James_F: ahh [20:09:50] Ironholds: They were two seperate budgets. [20:09:53] gotcha [20:09:55] (Other way. Core) [20:10:01] non-core was what was sent, iirc [20:10:06] Yeah. [20:10:11] dschoon: I'm sensing some resistance to our buzzword-based semantic network here [20:10:21] what learnings can we draw from your concerns? :P [20:10:23] the idea being, if WMF is terrible with its core budget, FDC will take that into account and maybe give less money, even if non-core is all great. [20:10:23] * James_F blames being IRC monkey. [20:10:47] i guess? [20:10:50] It's important that we have a laudable agile practice of big-data hadoop ajax. [20:11:16] why does that make so much sense [20:11:16] why [20:11:18] you forgot web-scale. [20:11:19] lovecraftian [20:11:35] right. Lovecraftian web-scale agile big-data ajax. [20:11:57] I think you people are forgetting the need for the phrase "rock star" or "wrangler" to be involved there [20:12:12] thanks :-) [20:12:14] All done. [20:12:17] Steven_Zhang: Thank you! [20:12:17] <3 [20:12:17] (seriously, a while back I actually decided never, EVER to consider working for Automattic solely because their job titles all involve [subject] Wrangler) [20:12:18] bye all [20:12:20] Meeting now over. [20:12:28] much love [20:12:34] * varnent wondering if they'll mail him his free lunch [20:12:34] it's like, EVERYONE is a subject wrangler. it means "they deal with [subject]" [20:12:46] and if someone is not particularly awesome, which is what rock star connotes, why hire them? [20:13:08] varnent: it will come as a WikiLove comment with a photo of food, perhaps :-) [20:13:20] * Seddon slaps Steven_Zhang [20:13:23] wut [20:13:27] sumanah: awesome :) [20:13:52] Seddon: what did I do? :P [20:13:55] Ironholds: As someone who actually changed a job title at WMF to include "Wrangler" I am happy to actually talk about the virtues of that word if you'll stop being so dismissive [20:13:58] cndiv, how many viewers did we get time this? :) [20:14:16] Nothing dear nothing [20:14:38] sumanah: okay, shoot. [20:14:57] sumanah: now I'm on a mission to track down Eloquence sometime and see if we can get folks who watched Jimmy Wales on Colbert going to the right WikiVoyage site :) [20:15:06] >_> [20:15:16] varnent: "wikivoyager" - weird slip [20:15:30] a laudable goal to fix the flow [20:15:54] Ironholds: Our previous phrasing, "Bugmeister," was gendered male. "Wrangler" is thus an improvement when we want to avoid giving the impression that only men are welcome to apply [20:16:14] It is also shorter than the phrase "subject matter expert" [20:16:14] sumanah: Sure, I'd agree with that /as an improvement/ [20:16:18] sumanah: I did a double take when I saw it - just realized now though that wikivoyager.org is going to an old wv site - and .com and .net are non-WV owners (sadly) [20:16:19]