[18:43:23] Hello all, the WMF monthly metrics meeting will begin in about 20 minutes. The YouTube stream is here: http://youtu.be/17rTFSUy3Xk [18:43:48] Would someone with the ability to do so please add that link to this channel's topic for the duration of the meeting? Thank you! [18:48:13] thanks sumanah [18:51:28] cndiv, FYI, the topic's not locked - you should just be able to change it yourself -- I think from your client if you click on it and edit it then hit enter it will change :) [18:51:58] cndiv: or you could type '/topic ' on any client and that should work [18:52:18] Thanks Thehelpfulone and YuviPanda ! [18:52:23] no problem [18:53:29] hello priyanka_nag :) [18:53:29] welcome [18:53:41] Thank you YuviPanda [18:53:53] hallo from Pune [18:54:44] Hi priyanka_nag, how's it going? [18:55:05] hello sumanah ...all going great :) [18:55:45] will probably be meeting my mentor aharoni tomorrow or on Monday since we are in the same town for the next two weeks... [18:56:00] Oh that's great! [18:56:26] sumanah: and we'll get to meet *two* of the OPW interns in Pune over the next week :) [18:56:27] In my opinion priyanka_nag you should also post to the wikimedia-india list about your recent progress :-) as we are nearly at the halfway mark of your internship [18:56:31] oh cool! [18:57:06] notnarayan: Hi there! Welcome, Shankar [18:57:06] okay sumanah , I will do that :) [18:57:28] sumanah: hello! thanks a lot. excited to be here :) [18:57:29] I'm Sumana Harihareswara, and from your name I think maybe you and I are distantly related :-) [18:57:36] sumanah: notnarayan's work is going to be demo'd in the metrics meeting, and he is super excited :) [18:57:39] awesome! [18:57:46] sumanah: I was just going through your OPW slide, will probably use it for my session during GNUnify'13 [18:58:00] Not use it directly...take refernces from it.. [18:58:04] is it okay to you? [18:58:14] priyanka_nag: Ah, got it .... update the slides that you made, perhaps, with ideas from my slides? [18:58:24] priyanka_nag: let me ask you a question in return -- what is the licensing on my slides? :-) [18:58:59] sumanah: the license is a CC..right? [18:59:19] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Opw-presentation-feb7-2013.pdf&page=2 Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported [18:59:26] sumanah: wow! quite possible! :) [18:59:36] sumanah: damn, I thought https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_source#Microsoft_Reciprocal_License_.28Ms-RL.29 :P [18:59:59] YuviPanda: you jester [19:00:04] I should call you Birbal [19:00:05] :D [19:00:46] priyanka_nag: which is a long way of saying, yes, please, go ahead and mash up and borrow ideas, etc. .... if you reuse anything particularly specific it'd be cool if you gave me a shout-out. [19:00:47] sumanah: as fans of id software's Romero used to tell him whenever he met them - "we are not worthy' :P [19:01:10] sumanah: Sure thing :) [19:04:56] Everyone ready to ask questions? [19:05:07] * James_F will answer or relay. [19:05:20] do I have the wrong youtube link, or are we waiting for the stream to start? [19:05:28] zeljkof: Just about to start. [19:05:30] it's starting now [19:05:48] James_F, sumanah: thanks, started [19:05:50] its on [19:06:15] Oooh, cake. [19:06:18] Hi Doreen! [19:06:28] We're currently doing introductions of new employees/contractors [19:06:34] welcome Rod, Ram, Yuvi, Doreen [19:06:44] @wikimediaatwork usually tracks these. [19:06:50] slides coming through ok? [19:07:01] yep! [19:07:02] haha my name gets butchered every single time :) [19:07:03] Eloquence: I can see the slides [19:07:13] surprisingly readable for 480p [19:07:33] zeljkof: This is why san serif fonts makes sense. :-) [19:08:00] Applause for anniversaries! [19:08:05] Erik's been here 5 years?! [19:08:10] Yup. [19:08:40] evidently we always see a drop in Dec [19:08:47] http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/ [19:08:59] mobile crossed the 3-billion threshold in Jan! [19:09:24] sumanah: Stop spoiling Erik's surprise. :-) [19:09:26] you can now get a CSV download of a bunch of this data & more different views including progress against targets [19:09:44] James_F: what?! I'm typing summaries of what he's saying live [19:09:58] how can I be spoiling his surprise? unless you are watching the 10-second-delayed version [19:10:24] sumanah: Yeah, but most of the people in this channel are on the YouTube version with the minor delay. [19:10:31] we don't have the pageview #s for WP Zero yet.... "mobile page views - projections & targets" graph is the one to look at. [19:10:39] true [19:10:59] Again that URL is http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/ [19:11:22] yay mobile! [19:11:28] ok, now Maryana Pinchuk on mobile in Jan! [19:11:46] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2013-02-07 has her slides & link to app demo & mobile web demo on Commons [19:12:32] Those lines all look the same. [19:12:49] Yes, thicker lines would be great next time :-) [19:12:54] Isarra: Can you follow the slides directly? [19:13:15] Isarra: But yes, something to remember for those of us that make slides. [19:13:28] slides here: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1A2URDSkSIa7kBYDHu1DaxZfnR6Wd9z-K0iVvcHEodo0/edit [19:13:45] * Isarra waits to see if her browser crashes. [19:14:37] It's not even connecting. [19:17:39] Any questions for mobile? [19:18:58] for peopel who want to try the Android up [19:18:58] https://bit.ly/android-commons [19:19:01] crashes on anything not 4.x [19:19:06] "Maryana challenges" what? [19:19:19] sumanah: 'Maryana Challenge Accepted' [19:19:25] comma after the proper noun [19:19:50] What challenge was that? [19:19:51] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:VisualEditor-Parsoid_-_2013-02_Metrics_deck.pdf VisualEditor/Parsoid update [19:22:34] Isarra: Maryana noted that the mobile team's alpha got more edits than VE's alpha release, challenged us to step it up [19:22:55] Ah. Sounds doable. [19:23:20] grey-on-grey is kind of hard to read [19:23:30] I can't read it. [19:23:35] also green :- [19:23:37] :-) [19:23:44] It's fortunate this is on commons. [19:23:53] Spindly grey font doesn't scale down well. [19:23:55] but it is aesthetically pleasing [19:24:51] Isarra: It's not fortunate, it's deliberate. :-) [19:24:57] The template thing Trevor was showing me looked damn sexy. I take it that's still a ways off... *pouty face* [19:25:07] automated browser testing FTW! :) [19:25:15] James_F: Prhaps, except bothering to follow along takes too much effort. [19:25:50] Isarra: That Google Hangout sucks in some ways is non-optimal but not something that I can really fix. :- [19:25:52] ( [19:26:16] But there are better fonts to use for that. [19:26:33] Better fonts for everyone not present, worse for everyone present. [19:26:58] Hence pick a good font for those in the room or who have access to the file, and spread it widely so it's best for everyone. :-) [19:27:02] Well only supporting one group is problematic. There is always a tradeoff, but balance, man. [19:27:57] 20s to load a new slide. That's better than it could be. [19:28:11] as a physicist, I say: less text, more pictures! [19:28:15] James_F: I gotta leave this room so as not to be distracted during my talk - will you pass ?s on to me? [19:28:21] sumanah: Of course. [19:28:22] questions for VE/Parsoid team? [19:28:27] thanks [19:28:33] Indeed, valhallasw is correct - that is a lot of text. [19:29:40] (it was a general note: a few words & pictures are great over youtube, text not so much) [19:29:57] gwicke, bot owners will eat you alive [19:30:35] The usable table editor is called Excel [19:30:50] That is not the MediaWiki logo. There is no way that is the MediaWiki logo. [19:30:57] or 'Calc' in OO terms, I think [19:31:06] Why is that not the MediaWiki logo being used? [19:31:08] Isarra: it's the vectorized one. [19:31:09] * Isarra twitches. [19:31:14] That is not the vectorised one! [19:31:23] oh? [19:31:35] That is a completely different design and it looks ridiculous. Has it been generally accepted? [19:31:50] not sure but it's been around for a while, I think? [19:31:51] Isarra: Yes. [19:31:58] Which logo? [19:31:59] i remmeber a wikitech-l discussion about it a while back [19:32:01] I am so sorry. [19:32:04] it's not at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mediawiki [19:32:12] but I've seen the logo before [19:32:26] MaxSem: HTML DOM is fun to work with ;) [19:32:34] Isarra: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mediawiki_logo_reworked_2.svg [19:33:08] Isarra: All MW logos suck (a sunflower? Really?). I don't think the various forms are any more sucky, frankly. [19:33:17] gwicke being roasted and munched will be even more fun!:P [19:33:18] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:MediaWiki_logos has some other non-standard versions, too [19:33:35] Any questions? [19:33:37] James_F: The use of colour, the use of shape, and the general depth of this is quite inferior to the normal flower. [19:34:00] Now moving on to Terry [19:34:13] sumanah, great presentation [19:34:17] * andre__ hi-fives sumanah [19:34:17] Thank you anteaya [19:34:19] thanks! [19:34:20] It is a complete redesign that does not do justice to the product - if something flat is warranted, then it should at least be something that *works* when flat. [19:34:24] sumanah have you seen: http://firstround.com/article/How-Etsy-Grew-their-Number-of-Female-Engineers-by-500-in-One-Year [19:34:28] yep [19:34:34] similar ideas led to success there [19:34:37] sumanah are we funding a similar amount for these internship out of interest? [19:34:43] sumanah: Women of colour? Why the emphasis on colour? [19:34:45] Thehelpfulone: please clarify? [19:34:59] Awesome, sumanah! [19:35:33] Isarra: Our communities as a whole across Wikimedia, and our open source community, are also lacking in ethnic diversity compared to the community we aim to serve (the whole world) [19:35:35] If we switch to VisualEditor storing HTML, the square brackets in MediaWiki [[]] will be a historical artifact ;) [19:35:36] sumanah, sure, you said the GNOME project funded paid internships of $5000 over 3 months, are we doing something similar? [19:35:59] sumanah: I see. [19:36:02] spagewmf: did you see our amateurish logo? [19:36:04] Who is this evil person? [19:36:08] Google hangout no likey youtube within youtube [19:36:18] Isarra: The regular flower is quite inferior to the concept of a recognisable logo. :-) [19:36:20] Thehelpfulone: right. We sponsored 6 internships in the current round. each of them gets $5000 for 3 months. 4 of those slots came out of my budget at WMF. 2 of them were subsidized by Google I believe [19:36:27] spagewmf: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Parsoid_logo.svg [19:36:46] gwicke haha [19:36:50] qgil: ^ can you correct me on any of what I said to Thehelpfulone? [19:37:03] Isarra, Terry Chay, "tewwy" is talking [19:37:05] Isarra: The current speaker? It's Terry Chay is Director of Features Engineering. [19:37:22] thanks, are the interns reporting on their progress every month, or at the end of the 3 months? [19:37:23] James_F: And the flower presented there simply comes across as amateurish. Recognition as that probably isn't something we want in general. [19:37:30] ...progress? [19:37:35] Also, thanks. [19:38:07] Isarra: I'm also not a fan of the flower, but it was too tempting to play on that [19:38:10] Thehelpfulone, for what it's worth I am an intern with OpenStack right now, in the same program [19:38:21] Thehelpfulone: what counts as a report? have you checked out the blog aggregator? [19:38:44] Thehelpfulone, there are about 20 of us I think, 6 with wikimedia [19:38:55] nope I was just reading the mediawiki.org page :) [19:39:12] Thehelpfulone: go ahead and read http://planeteria.org/wfs and https://live.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen [19:39:16] they should answer a lot of your questions. [19:40:00] ah our interns are across a number of countries, that's great [19:40:57] well how could they live otherwise ^^' [19:41:44] In the sky. [19:42:45] What's the difference between responding and reacting? [19:43:39] Isarra: Not sure - will ask on your behalf if there's time [19:45:04] Isarra: Asked - hope it was answered to your satisfaction. [19:45:25] hi protonk [19:45:28] I didn't understand, I'm afraid. [19:45:32] But thanks. [19:45:35] hey sumanah [19:45:57] Feb 15th is the deadline to apply for IEGs https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG [19:46:02] can I send you an email sometime about some devrel stuffs? [19:46:07] ^^^ sumanah [19:46:26] protonk: me? sure! it'd be great if you cc'd Quim Gil (qgil@wikimedia) [19:46:44] he's our new (as of November) technical contributor coordinator [19:46:55] I will. I've already talked to him a bit, but you're quasi local (NY, right?) [19:47:09] quasi-local to boston, that is [19:47:24] I am in NYC, yeah [19:47:42] James_F, pressing [Enter] in VE "Save your changes" floating panel doesn't work as an accelerator. [19:48:03] spagewmf: I know; I think there's a bugzilla ticket for it. [19:48:05] Progressing nicely though [19:48:19] humans! [19:48:29] My question for Siko is: what should WMF people do re IEG las? [19:48:36] that was http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab [19:48:42] sumanah: las? [19:48:43] be a human [19:48:47] IdeaLabs [19:48:55] ah well [19:49:19] like, what's the advice to WMF people like me .... should we participate in IdeaLabs and help people bounce their ideas around? [19:51:30] I'm looking forward to Engineering Community & QA working with the Community Advocates [19:52:12] Questions for Philippe? [19:53:28] I have questions for him, but they probably aren't appropriate for a forum such as this. [19:53:45] same here [19:53:46] Isarra: Happy to pass them on directly if you'd like? [19:53:50] Now Kul. [19:54:03] I will... ask him myself later. Yes. [19:54:27] OK. [19:59:41] is it safe to presume that the numbers on the x axes of the graphs: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1GYvFMatdD5gG1Kxzy6OHJq93S1QNZ-TGcfcH0ap4VkM/edit#slide=id.p18 - "Jul 16" should be "Jul 12"? [20:00:05] unless we've got really good at predicting things 3 years from now :P [20:00:40] Thehelpfulone: I think it's American date format skipping years. [20:00:56] Thehelpfulone: I.e. "Jul 16" means "2012-07-16". [20:00:58] ah that makes more sense [20:01:20] Thehelpfulone: I believe Wikipedia Zero gets the data at the month mid-point. [20:01:26] So why is the January one Jan-17? [20:01:40] so they can't spell, and now they get the dates wrong? ;-) [20:01:51] marktraceur, so I think that's Jan 17th 2013 [20:02:05] 31 / 2 === 17 [20:02:21] * marktraceur is cool with that, sure [20:02:27] round( 31 / 2 ) [20:02:29] Applause re East Timor :) [20:02:29] But yes. [20:07:36] Pictures. [20:08:43] Any questions here? [20:08:48] Ah, too late. [20:09:32] Ouch. [20:09:46] OK, thanks everyone. [20:09:55] glad that we are learning useful lessons re WP Zero [20:09:55] already over? :) [20:09:57] a'ight [20:09:59] Tormenting the rest of us with talk of cake and lunch, eh? [20:09:59] yep [20:10:02] Who's working on the J2ME Wikipedia app? Mobile presentation didn't mention it, and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia_S40_J2ME_app is out-of-date [20:10:03] Tsk. [20:10:14] spagewmf, it's an external vendor, ask tfinc for details [20:10:32] ah [20:10:58] i managed to compile it and run it in a simulator once. i'm glad it's an external vendor ;) [20:15:34] Thanks everyone, especially sumanah and James_F|Away, very helpful :) [20:15:57] Aw thanks!