[14:32:08] anyone interested in helping me get the word out about a cool hackathon/editathon in Boston this weekend? https://twitter.com/therealprotonk/status/319819052648366081 [14:32:41] protonk: that looks cool. wish I was in boston. ;) [14:33:54] tommorris: I hope it will be cool. I mean Oliver won't be there so at the very least it'll be collegial. [14:34:41] protonk: oh, lack of Ironholds is not a sufficient condition for collegiality. [14:34:56] truly, but it is a necessary one [14:35:26] besides, I get to make the rules: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Boston/Bocoup#Rules [17:17:47] Hello All, I'm setting up for the Metrics meeting, which will begin in about 45 minutes. [17:17:57] The stream link is here, if someone wants to change the topic: http://youtu.be/72UupRKxtEw [17:47:10] i'm gonna see if i can bring up the metrics meeting on youtube on my Apple TV... [17:47:37] brion, there's something frightening about that stateent. [17:47:37] can't put my finger on what it is though. [17:47:50] you'll see why 1984 won't be like 1984 [17:48:02] ah, there it is ::P [17:49:06] nah, real 1984 comes when the tv watches back… like if i could get it to join the google hangout :P [17:50:02] cndiv: Thanks for publishing that link early. Can you please publish it on meta first always? [17:50:06] Most ironic thing I've seen in a while... a surveillance camera next to the blue historical marker where Orwell lived... [17:50:28] cndiv: I've added it now. Please realise that a "youtu.be" link cannot be published on that wiki; it must be the full link. [17:51:13] siebrand: he's busy with setup, but I'll make sure that he's aware for next time. [17:51:41] Ten minute warning [17:51:53] (I'm talking to chip because he communicated the URL, but I'm not particularly interested in who publishes the URL :P) [17:53:12] siebrand where on meta should I publish it? The appropirate metrics meeting page? [17:53:18] cndiv: Yeah. [17:53:24] makes sense [17:53:40] and meta can't handle any shortlinks? or just youtu.be ones? [17:53:43] cndiv: *nod* That's the page that is communicated by people spreading the word about this meeting. [17:53:53] there's a URL block on youtu-be. [17:53:59] I found that out the hard way. [17:55:05] cndiv: see for example http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-March/124891.html [17:57:10] 3 minutes, folks. [17:57:35] The suspense is killing me! [17:57:50] You should hear the music they've got playing here. Thats what's killing me :) [17:58:23] Did we license this, or is it free and open source muzak? [17:58:35] join us now and free the software [17:58:40] Dear lord, I hope it's free. Because if someone paid for this... [17:58:48] heh [17:59:02] Philippe: i feel like i should be holding a really cheap manhattan [17:59:10] jvandavier: isn't that your resting state? [17:59:15] shush [17:59:20] unlikely [18:00:00] Good morning, everyone... I think it's about that time. MissGayle has just picked up a mic, so we may be about to start. [18:00:55] I'm watching to see when the youtube stream starts... [18:02:14] Oops. Just got a 502 error on the feed. [18:02:21] Refresh [18:02:25] it came back [18:02:25] google \o/ [18:02:37] I did. [18:02:47] Philippe: Live in a few minutes? Sooner? [18:02:57] Soooner [18:02:58] My first remote metrics meeting. Patiently stares at the youtube [18:03:07] the clock icon is so... red. [18:03:12] as soon as I start the broadcast video will show up [18:03:28] I do not see the stream start yet. [18:03:31] :/ [18:03:34] siebrand: ^^ [18:05:03] bad tube ? [18:05:12] rmoen: as soon as we start, the video will. [18:05:20] Ooh, now a 503. [18:05:34] Here we go. Refresh, if you have problems. [18:06:04] Video is hot. [18:06:06] wiiii!!! [18:06:12] \o/ [18:06:19] Hi Yuri! [18:06:31] Howdy Yuri! [18:06:50] Welcome everyone :) [18:07:03] Welcome to all the new(er)bies! [18:07:30] TimStarling ... 7 years, wow [18:08:58] Hi new folks [18:09:08] i'm a new contractor as of 10:15am PST today ;) [18:09:17] Wooo cscott! :) [18:09:26] cscott: Welcome. :-) [18:09:31] Welcome cscott! [18:09:33] Welcome cscott. [18:09:45] Eloquence doing top line metrics.... [18:10:01] in the boston area, if you want to mentally amend those pretty maps [18:10:53] Those are some nice mobile numbers! [18:11:04] yurik: welcome [18:11:07] darn it, was sitting in the staff channel instead of here [18:11:09] hi preilly [18:11:21] i was mentioned, yei! :D [18:11:35] i wonder how much of the es wiki traffic is due to OLPC's .uy deployment [18:11:52] XKCD! [18:11:56] heh. Woo! [18:12:06] what's the URL [18:12:26] The URL for xkcd, s? [18:12:29] http://xkcd.com/1193 [18:12:35] Thanks, marktraceur [18:13:44] hey where is sumanah? [18:14:03] rfaulkner: howdy [18:14:07] not sure, Sue. [18:14:15] sgardner: Not on for 10 hours. :-( [18:14:17] preillyme: hey ther [18:14:30] preilly: hey there [18:14:37] Next up: Echo update from Fabrice and Kaldari [18:14:54] Ooh [18:14:55] echo echo echo echo [18:15:02] is there an echo in the room? [18:15:04] ba-dum ching [18:15:04] Ah, she was up late working, I guess. Maybe she is sleeping. [18:15:33] sleeping-leeping-eeping--ping [18:17:02] The slides of Echo, are available in some site? [18:17:12] wow the thank link is really nice [18:17:21] Superzerocool, yes, they are linked from the announcement, I believe - checking. [18:17:32] thanks Philippe [18:18:01] https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/1cknqzVqRBPffahIBWc_npox_EGae03QU08F6PI7LAck/edit#slide=id.g19a9245b9_2_6 [18:18:06] there ya go, Superzerocool [18:18:23] echo is really coming along nicely [18:18:37] it should be a really nice tool for users [18:18:48] So far on mw.org I've mostly just seen linking messages :) [18:18:51] Yeah, I like what I've seen on mediawiki and wikitech. [18:18:53] nice work kaldari [18:19:19] On wikitech I get notifications on changes to projects, which is very muy nice. [18:19:21] brion_: Yeah, the frequency of that notification has been a topic of uh... discussion. :) [18:19:27] oh wow that email looks really nice [18:19:33] nice work to lwelling [18:19:40] for the HTML email support [18:19:49] vibha may have had something to do with that e-mail looking nice too :P [18:20:07] ori-l: oh yeah and of course vibha [18:20:22] lwelling: preilly thanked you for your edit on HTML email support [18:20:22] :-P [18:20:22] ori-l: I just hadn't gotten to that part of the thanking [18:20:33] Will echo only be deployed on English Wikipedia? [18:20:52] I understand that the team will move on to Flow after deployment on en.wp, or am I misunderstanding? [18:21:13] Thanks. [18:23:05] and the rest of Wikipedias? [18:23:11] indeed [18:23:40] Woo uploads [18:24:15] Marayana on mobile uploads :) [18:24:45] thanks preilly [18:25:10] ?? [18:25:22] uploads to? Commons? [18:25:30] always thought "how was it done in WLM app" [18:25:34] Yes odder [18:26:01] marktraceur, http://xkcd.com/1193/ is about CMU and Baidu, what am I missing? [18:26:12] spagewmf: Hover over the last panel [18:26:12] spage, hover over the last panel.. [18:26:23] spagewmf: hover over the last panel [18:26:24] * marktraceur will just type for Philippe [18:26:27] lol [18:26:50] spagewmf: you might want to visit http://explainxkcd.com [18:26:52] * awjr high-fives the office [18:27:00] awjr :) [18:27:03] hey, awjr :) [18:27:08] * awjr waves :) [18:27:13] hey awjr [18:27:16] BTW: You guys are aware that there was a WLM finalist taken and uploaded with mobile? [18:27:23] (Just asking.) [18:27:31] that's awesome [18:27:36] * Ironholds kicks YuviPanda with the good news [18:27:36] Indeed, odder [18:27:43] spagewmf: in particular http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=1193 [18:27:46] odder i hadn't heard that! link? [18:27:54] Sure, let me find it! [18:28:03] odder: :) The taj mahal one? [18:28:07] or sometihng else? [18:28:45] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Griset%C3%A5odde_Fyr_2012-09-04_16-24-06.jpg taken with a Samsung Galaxy S II phone [18:29:04] woo nice :) [18:29:11] woooooo [18:30:07] thanks odder [18:33:30] Will mobile web uploads use the {{commonscat}} template in articles to categorize images automaticallu? [18:33:39] A: Deleting this influx! [18:33:41] what about the app that is called "beta" [18:34:06] Q: How many of those were deleted? YuviPanda has some stats, I guess? [18:34:20] what if we use selfies for a kind of human-project? if people add information about their location/demographics/whatever…. [18:34:22] :) [18:34:30] what maryana is just talking about [18:34:31] oh the app is being discussed? [18:34:43] YuviPanda: are you not paying attention to the metrics meeting ? [18:35:11] LeslieCarr: no, I'm only cursorily online now. Not working today. [18:35:43] * YuviPanda is on it now [18:35:51] Moving on - visual editor update from Trevor [18:36:01] odder: I don't have retention stats, sadly. [18:36:01] Google logo? seriously? :) [18:36:14] odder: mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org is all we have right now [18:36:24] * rmoen claps [18:37:01] mutante: was your question about the beta app answered? [18:37:36] ooh a WAT talk [18:37:41] Lol @ 's [18:37:44] That was a simple question! [18:37:47] i was hoping for double bold [18:37:54] YuviPanda: hmm, not really, i meant this one: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia.beta&hl=en [18:38:03] ooh ooh i know -- parsoid breaks! ;) [18:38:06] if the one without beta is also in beta [18:38:48] mutante: so the commons app is at play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikimedia.commons [18:39:03] why is there two closing >> [18:39:06] well-stolen presentation style, Trevor! [18:39:07] YuviPanda: thanks [18:39:24] mutante: different apps. the first one is the wikipedia beta. [18:39:42] Next up, RobLa and Lua. [18:40:06] WAAAT Nice one Trevor! [18:40:09] "Asav: Can we take some time to recover from that [Wat!] picture of Kul?" [18:40:19] for context: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat [18:40:24] gooo lua! can we start writing 3d video games on wiki pages? [18:40:28] I can't believe there was nothing about ''italic '''italic and bold'' bold''' [18:41:12] I've never seen an example like that in my life. [18:41:16] Yurik well need js and webgl -- I have a research project for this :D [18:41:39] brion... excellent. Carry on :P [18:41:50] * cscott is editing the parserTests.txt dealing with italic and bold at this moment [18:41:57] eyi brion_, when should we expect quake? [18:41:58] * cscott feels pain [18:42:10] yurik: by quake you mean crysis [18:42:10] :P [18:42:13] Hehe [18:42:30] odder: Even abc works [18:42:33] "works" [18:42:43] er, should be the last one. [18:43:08] that template:For loop is amazing! [18:43:24] YuviPanda, i think only quake engine is open sourced, isnit it? [18:43:28] need to double check [18:43:31] I guess it's English-Wikipedia specific? [18:43:43] yurik: it's brion_, he'll do a clean room implementation :) [18:43:53] odder: It's not amazing, it's terrible. :-) [18:44:07] you mean me, James_F? [18:44:18] 100 citations in 3 seconds on a modern hardware? bleh [18:44:18] Oh no. They did port that to other languages! :-( [18:44:20] Gah, yes. [18:44:33] yurik: 100 cites per sec [18:44:36] it should be in the millions! [18:44:40] not 100s [18:44:42] Eh I'll just steal https://developer.cdn.mozilla.net/media/uploads/demos/a/z/azakai/3baf4ad7e600cbda06ec46efec5ec3b8/bananabread_1364579007_demo_package/index.html [18:44:48] "Robert Rohde"? [18:44:52] I love that for loop template. It shows you people are basically a virus [18:45:02] lol [18:45:07] can we have a nice fork bomb there? [18:45:12] Philippe: Question for RobLa: Are there plans for global sharing of templates? [18:45:14] The community of lua volunteers in amazing. [18:45:23] Philippe: (Templates and Lua modules.) [18:45:23] Tell RobLa to give them a shoutout. [18:45:31] *is amazing [18:46:21] QUESTION: is there a plan to integrate LUA into core to replace core templates functionality?\ [18:46:28] woohoo shared things [18:46:34] Coren, you know Robert Rohde, don't you? [18:46:39] Sorry, Yurik, they moved on. I'll send it to RobLa, though. [18:46:46] sgardner: I don't think I do. [18:46:46] thix Philippe [18:46:54] *thx [18:46:57] <^demon> True story, that 150 limits on looping wasn't due to people getting tired of copy+pasting. It's because it hit preprocessor limits. If we raised the limits (which has been requested, heh), people would just copy+paste until they hit the new limit ;-) [18:46:59] Philippe: Thanks. [18:47:19] He's great. San Francisco based Wikipedian, stats wizard. He used to be on the lists a lot, but not so much these days I think. [18:47:24] But he is still very helpful :-) [18:47:58] James_F: yw :) [18:48:13] OK, we're holding on Rod and Global Ed. [18:48:22] sgardner: I was mostly enwp centric until not so long ago. The WMF was "They", not "Us" then. :-P [18:48:35] robert rohde = user:dragons flight, did e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-01-03/Editing_stats [18:48:39] Coren: Robert Rohde used to be called Dragons_flight. [18:48:43] (in case that rings a bell) [18:48:49] Ah, that name /does/ ring a bell. [18:48:49] ragesoss, oh yeah :-) [18:50:51] Q: Does "Wikipedia" mean "English Wikipedia", or did you also have students edit other language editions (Spanish? French?)? [18:51:24] odder: Not speaking for Rod and team, but yes -- Arabic, German, others. [18:51:44] odder: I think it's only related to english wp... [18:52:08] The numbers were from en.wp, I think. [18:52:24] it would be nice to add .uy and .pe to that slide [18:52:25] sgardner: Ah, I meant the US/CA program [18:52:36] ragesoss: can you follow up with odder on that, and confirm? [18:52:37] oh sorry odder :-) [18:53:01] and yeah, I think, odder, you're right... not just en.wp, but just the US/CA program. [18:53:08] Eloquence asks: what are the global numbers? [18:53:24] excluding the classes that are using the extension but aren't part of the US/CA program. [18:53:48] Executive Q/A [18:56:15] Any remote folks with questions for Sue? [18:56:49] OK :) [18:56:52] I have one [18:56:56] Great pronunciation of Jan-Bart de Vreede by Sue! [18:56:56] paravoid? [18:56:57] I do havea quick Q for Sue: [18:57:02] Is it okay to cry? [18:57:07] Is recruitment going to look outside the US? [18:57:22] is the engineering/product department split still happening at the same time or is it postponed? [18:57:34] paravoid: this was answered on wikimedia-l [18:57:37] oh [18:57:39] paravoid: Actually, that was answered on wikimedia-l [18:57:44] okay, nevermind then [18:57:50] (the answer, happening as planned) [18:58:02] not enought time to read all wikimedia-l mails [18:58:04] thanks :) [18:58:24] basically it's postponed [18:58:36] 20:57 ragesoss: (the answer, happening as planned) [18:58:38] Hm... [18:59:22] ty to Sue [18:59:39] Thanks, all! [19:00:26] ragesoss: so I assume that there are students participating in the US/CA program who edit other language Wikipedias? [19:00:29] Oh, Philippe, I see references to a "all hands" yearly meeting. When does it usually take place? [19:00:49] Coren: September. [19:00:58] ragesoss: I especially mean the French Wikipedia (for Canada), and the Spanish, assuming that there are a few Spanish-speaking immigrants in the US [19:01:04] Coren: I'll sling you the meeting invite. [19:01:24] Thanks, James. [19:01:32] odder: a little, I think, but not much. There are a fair number editing in English from outside US/CA as well as in US/CA but not part of the formal Education Program. [19:01:39] * Coren hopes it'll be in time to say goodbye to Sue. [19:02:32] ragesoss: I see, thanks [19:02:52] is there recording from the start somewhere? [19:03:06] anyone remember who sent the mail answering my question [19:03:09] yurik: it takes some time to become available. [19:03:11] yurik: I believe that the video will be uploaded to Commons at some point [19:03:19] cool, thx [19:03:24] ah, found it [19:03:28] it wasn't on the original thread :) [19:03:37] i missed a few demos, wanted to review [19:03:39] yurik: once it's done processing it should reappear on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72UupRKxtEw [19:03:55] a, same link, cool [19:04:11] Oh, that's cool, didn't know that. [19:04:25] paravoid: the thread is "Engineering/Product org structure", I think. [19:04:29] yes, I found it [19:04:30] thanks. [19:05:04] so, my summary was somewhat inaccurate [19:05:18] not *further* delayed because of Sue's departure. [19:05:27] but delayed relative to the original plan. [19:28:34] yurik: just BTW, the video is already there [19:28:44] thx odder