[16:53:19] Wikimedia Language Engineering team office hours here in a few minutes. Wall of text: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-April/125006.html [16:53:35] hi siebrand [16:54:14] evening [16:54:19] Hola [16:54:21] hey everyone ... Rangilo here :-) [16:54:31] hi arnav welcome [16:54:35] Good morning [16:54:57] Good Evening ;-) [16:55:03] :-) [16:57:31] siebrand: no more wall of text pasted to the channel? :) [16:57:41] Hello [16:57:47] hi runa! [16:59:45] A minute more… :) [17:01:29] Okay.. we are ready to start [17:01:59] === Wikimedia Language Engineering Office Hour - Start === [17:02:00] === Wikimedia Language Engineering Office Hour - Start === [17:02:00] === Wikimedia Language Engineering Office Hour - Start === [17:02:00] === Wikimedia Language Engineering Office Hour - Start === [17:02:00] === Wikimedia Language Engineering Office Hour - Start === [17:02:19] darn… i need to restart my irc client.. brb [17:02:25] heh [17:02:34] that was a fun start :-) [17:02:37] Hello all [17:02:42] hi malkum [17:02:47] thanks for joining in [17:02:52] Hallo [17:03:06] hey amir [17:03:18] okay i am now back and can see what I am typing [17:03:20] Sorry about that [17:03:42] Hello, Welcome to the office hour of the Wikimedia Language Engineering Team. [17:04:02] My name is Runa and I am the Outreach and QA coordinator for our team. [17:04:46] The other members of our team present today are: aharoni alolita Nikerabbit pginer and siebrand [17:05:02] Our last office hour was held on 13th March 2013. [17:05:03] hi everyone - thanks for joining us! [17:05:30] The logs are at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2013-03-13 [17:05:57] Today we will briefly talk about some of the projects that we have been recently working on. [17:06:13] After that we would be happy to answer any questions. :) [17:06:37] If you'd like to send in your questions before the Q&A, please send them to me over a private message. [17:07:08] As I mentioned before, we are the Wikimedia Language Engineering Team and we work on enabling Language tools for MediaWiki and Wikimedia projects. [17:07:52] This ensures that we are never short of challenging work, that will go on to provide support for the way all languages can be used just as well as English. [17:08:35] Presently, our primary focus is on extending our existing tools, adding advanced features for the Translate Extension (TUX) and community outreach. [17:08:59] Since out last office hour we have had some significant accomplishments in our ongoing projects. [17:09:15] We have also made some new beginnings, which we would like to share. [17:09:37] Today we shall be giving an update about: [17:09:52] 1. Translate Extension (TUX) Deployment [17:10:06] 2. MediaWiki Language Extension Bundle (MLEB) Release [17:10:20] 3. Language Maven team - an outreach initiative [17:10:51] Updates from Language Engineering: [17:11:30] The first topic is -- Translate UX - Deployment and Other Updates [17:12:03] Over the past few months, we have been working extensively on building out the new version of the Translate Editor. [17:12:18] This is part of the Translate User eXperience or TUX project. [17:12:50] Details about the design enhancements has been written in our last few blog posts, including one which can be found at: [17:12:57] http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/03/25/redesigning-the-translation-experience-an-overview/ [17:13:12] We are pleased to announce that TUX has now been deployed on WMF sites and is live on translatewiki.net [17:13:32] The announcement was earlier made by Nikerabbit : [17:13:43] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-i18n/2013-March/000626.html [17:14:25] Recently we found that the new translation editor has critical issues with Internet Explorer. [17:14:39] We have fixed those and plan to deploy the fixes tomorrow. [17:14:54] Nikerabbit: anything more to add about this? [17:15:01] yes [17:15:10] there are other smaller bug fixes as well [17:15:44] tomorrow I will also repopulate translation memory database, after which the new special page to search translations should work [17:15:49] sorry, i had problems with webchat [17:15:57] it's Special:SearchTranslations [17:16:29] hi mirontoli ! [17:16:30] This is something translators love! [17:16:34] please help us testing the new editor, especially if you are using less popular browsers and report issues to bugzilla [17:17:23] Thanks Nikerabbit [17:17:24] * aharoni is very glad to see people from Russia [17:17:46] Nikerabbit, I remember a while back we talked about CentralNotice translation through the TUX, is that still on the table for development? [17:18:09] Thehelpfulone: as soon as CentralNotice uses Translate, it will use TUX too [17:18:09] (this can wait for the Q&A too) :) [17:18:21] thanks nikerabbit for the update - look forward to everything going well with the upcoming deployment :-) [17:18:55] Thehelpfulone: Thanks.. you get to move to the front of the line for Q & A :) [17:18:59] hi aharoni ! :) [17:19:14] Moving on to the second topic - MediaWiki Language Extension Bundle (MLEB) Release [17:20:12] We generally have a release every month. The last released version is 2013.03 [17:20:30] The announcement and the release notes are at this link: [17:20:33] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-i18n/2013-March/000631.html [17:20:56] Besides the update to the Translate extension and miscellenous bug fixes, we added 3 new fonts for Arabic, Hebrew and Javanese. [17:21:23] The Javanese webfonts have been deployed to the Javanese Wikipedia by Nikerabbit and can be seen here: https://jv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhiskusi:Joko_Widodo [17:21:46] This removes any dependency on any custom fonts for displaying the script in modern web browsers. [17:22:16] aharoni: Nikerabbit : anything further to add about the new MLEB release? [17:22:52] MLEB is easiest way to get Translate and other language related extensions in versions that work together [17:23:56] Should developers always get code updates from MLEB or getting it from individual extension repository is also fine? [17:23:59] We see that people download it, and we really want to hear from our users - is it easy to install, is it useful, are there any bugs, etc. [17:24:18] malkum: if you are a developer, you should probably work directly with Git. [17:24:48] MLEB is for users who want stable versions and don't plan to tinker with code. [17:25:08] aharoni: I see thanks , because I found some difficulty to use $ git pull origin master when updated from MLEB [17:25:44] you can, actually, install MLEB from Git. There are instructions at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MLEB . [17:25:52] And then you can upgrade MLEB from Git. [17:26:28] but if you do frequent changes in the code, you should just get MediaWiki directly from Git, according to instructions at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git . [17:26:52] Thanks aharoni , Nikerabbit . We will be happy to take more questions about MLEB during the Q & A. [17:27:15] Thanks [17:27:47] Moving on to the last topic of discussion for today - 'Our new outreach initiative - Language Mavens' [17:28:07] In our last office-hour we had mentioned about our plans for the Language Suport team. [17:28:23] We are now ready to roll out the pilot phase of the project next week. [17:28:42] The project now also has a name - Language Mavens :) [17:29:00] yay I was never called a Maven :) [17:29:01] The details of the project can be found on this page: [17:29:10] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Language_tools/Language_Team_Plan [17:29:50] The Language Mavens as we would like to call the team members, would be our conduit with the various language communities. [17:30:13] We would be collaborating with them about: [17:30:44] I didn't know that Maven means expert http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/maven Cool [17:30:56] 1. the internationalization tools, [17:31:00] mirontoli: exactly! [17:31:10] 2. understanding how they are being used, [17:31:19] 3. what can be improved in them, [17:31:31] 4. gathering feedback through constant communication, [17:31:50] 5. supporting them to provide a helping hand to other members of the language communities, and [17:32:12] 6. also being better informed on how we can arrange our priorities for the greater benefit of language (localization and internationalization) related requirements [17:32:37] We are starting the pilot phase with some of our partners from within the language communities. [17:32:49] Some of them are present here today. :) [17:33:15] a_r_n: malkum mirontoli Nemo_bis [17:33:32] * Nemo_bis raises hand [17:33:39] * a_r_n too :-) [17:33:48] The intent is to also get the program evaluated by them and make it ready for the volunteers. [17:34:05] * siebrand cheers the language mavens on! [17:34:11] The volunteers can now sign up through the on-line form: [17:34:19] http://hexm.de/LangMavenSignUpForm [17:34:43] We'll also be announcing about this on various mailing lists. [17:34:46] * Nemo_bis constantly reads "maven" as "raven" in his mind [17:34:49] great [17:35:01] We plan to have our first group of Mavens (post the pilot phase), by the end of April 2013. [17:35:27] That was all the updates we have. [17:35:40] arrbee - do you have a session scheduled on hangout with our mavens :-) [17:36:16] alolita: it is being planned for the end of this week. The time specifics are being worked out. [17:36:25] great - look forward to this session [17:37:03] Before moving on to the Q & A, there are a few announcements [17:37:30] 1. The Language Engineering team is participating in Google Summer of Code 2013, as mentors for Wikimedia. [17:37:42] The list for the internationalization projects can be found at this link: [17:37:49] do we need to sign up at http://hexm.de/LangMavenSignUpForm ? or is allready done for those who are present here today? [17:37:55] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013#Championing_i18n [17:38:18] mirontoli: I guess its for future volunteers [17:38:34] mirontoli: that form is part of the evaluation to be done by you. [17:38:34] allright [17:38:59] 2. The team would also be hosting an open session for triaging internationalization bugs on 24th April 2013. [17:39:26] We shall be announcing more details about the event very soon. [17:39:53] Questions & Answers: [17:39:53] ================ [17:40:13] Thehelpfulone> Nikerabbit, I remember a while back we talked about CentralNotice translation through the TUX, is that still on the table for development? [17:40:19] Nikerabbit: The first one is for you :) [17:42:06] From what I saw in code changes last week, there was some bit rot in the CentralNotice side of the integration. [17:42:08] That's been resolved. [17:42:25] The FR team is relatively self sustaining in rolling out this feature. [17:43:05] We helped with the initial implantation in September 2012, then there were a lot of distractions, and from what I know, they have already used it at some point, and are planning to start using it a lot. [17:43:22] K4-713 may be able to elaborate. [17:43:52] I don't recall having ever seen it used siebrand - at least not on Meta [17:44:37] that's possible… As said: we know it can work, the question is when the FR team will start using it. [17:44:53] It's possibly better asked in an FR office hours :) [17:45:17] Thehelpfulone: yes that is mostly correct; hopefully it will be used by FR :-) [17:45:21] Best answer I can give is that we are not aware of anything blocking implementation within out realm of responsibility. [17:46:49] Thanks siebrand [17:47:05] Any other questions? :) [17:48:09] arrbee: do you plan to post the session minutes/ log from the upcoming mavens meeting [17:48:25] if so - where should folks look for it? [17:49:49] alolita: yes.. we will have a blog post about the program before that. After the meeting, there is another blog post planned with discussions and initial observations about the program. [17:50:05] great - thanks! [17:50:25] I have seen some projects regarding i18n in GSoc page. How can we contribute. Is it dicussed in tommrows meeting? [17:50:50] malkum - yes this will be discussed in tomorrow's meeting [17:51:06] ok, Thanks [17:51:12] however if you're interested in any specific projects already listed in the i18n section - let me know [17:52:14] alolita: Yes sure. I already have one in mind :) [17:52:42] We have 10 more minutes. :) [17:53:33] Regarding the language mavens project, it is very exciting, To me it is not totally clear how it will be organized. But we will have a meeting. And hopefully, I can contribute in some positive way. [17:54:05] mirontoli: +1 sounds interesting.... but no clear idea as of now... [17:54:11] mirontoli: Yes, that is the idea. :) [17:54:50] arrbee: Suspense makes it more interesting. [17:55:05] We would like to hear more from you to better prepare the implementation details. [17:55:38] arrbee will be sending out more details to everyone who's signed up for the first mavens group [17:55:43] before the meeting :-) [17:55:57] At this point we do expect to go through a few iterations to fully understand how to organise the basic bits and then tailor them according to the needs of the individual language communities. [17:56:05] Thehelpfulone: the CN-Translate thing is supposed to be working on testwiki, have you tested it? [17:57:32] a_r_n: You are the chap who got Wikimania Scholarship right? if so Congratulations :) [17:57:42] aharoni: alolita Nikerabbit pginer siebrand : Is there anything else you'd like to talk about before its time to go? :) [17:58:01] Yes, but my time is up :) [17:58:32] i think we covered everything! [17:58:37] thanks arrbee [17:58:49] siebrand: Dang, sorry: Missed your ping earlier. We're planning on switching CentralNotice over to the translation extension tomorrow. [17:59:15] look forward to seeing everyone who is interested in our gsoc projects participate in our session tomorrow [17:59:16] Thehelpfulone, Nemo_bis ^ ^ [17:59:21] K4-713: JIT [17:59:53] Anyways, we have not run out of time [17:59:58] now* [18:00:02] We would like to thank you all for coming by today. [18:00:18] Unless something changes, our next office hour would be held on 8th May 2013 at 1700 UTC. [18:00:19] Thanks arrbee and everyone. Have a great day [18:00:30] Until then we can be reached on the IRC channel #mediawiki-i18n, over email and social media. [18:00:34] thanks for joining! [18:00:52] We will also be posting updates about our work through the Wikimedia blog and mailing lists. [18:01:12] Nikerabbit: Have a great day :) [18:01:28] The logs from this office hour will also be available on the office-hour page. [18:01:37] thanks [18:01:55] Thank you and see you at the next office-hour [18:02:35] === Wikimedia Language Engineering Office Hour - End ===