[17:08:06] <cndiv>	 Good Morning All! I'm currently setting up for the Metrics meeting, which is scheduled to begin in about an hour. The stream link is here: http://youtu.be/l3HR9j66j4g
[17:08:25] <cndiv>	 if someone would add that to the topic (I don't think I can do that from my IRC client) that'd be super. Thanks. :-)
[17:11:04] <Krenair>	 cndiv, {{done}}
[17:23:21] <cndiv>	 Thanks Krenair
[17:32:28] * brion  waits patiently for the metrics meeting

[17:32:40] <brion>	 oh it's not til 11? bah
[17:36:22] <cndiv>	 I know you're excited, brion :-)
[17:40:06] <brion>	 I'm lazy enough to stay at my home office, but excited enough that I want to mirror the youtube stream to my TV while I work :)
[17:50:19] <siebrand>	 cndiv: Please provide pginer and me an invitation to the hangout; we're presenting.
[17:51:01] <James_F>	 Hello everybody; I'm the IRC monkey today.
[17:51:03] <cndiv>	 sure siebrand, I'll send invites now
[17:51:14] <James_F>	 If you have any questions, I can proxy them for you to the speakers.
[17:51:44] <cndiv>	 siebrand, btw the invite will be from Robert Miller. My acct still is suspended from hangouts. (long story)
[17:52:00] * marktraceur  generally tries to mirror links that are on screens or spoken for the folks here

[17:53:30] <siebrand>	 cndiv: Heh, would love to hear that one day...
[17:53:34] <Thehelpfulone>	 cndiv, still? Google take their time!
[17:54:25] <cndiv>	 ok siebrand you and pginer have been invited
[17:54:32] <siebrand>	 cndiv: Thanks.
[17:54:37] <cndiv>	 if you would join now that'd be great, we can test the audio
[17:55:39] <sumanah>	 Thanks James_F
[17:57:43] <James_F>	 As a quick recap of the agenda, we'll be doing the normal Welcome and top-line metrics, followed by siebrand and pginer talking about the improved translation UX, Steven Walling about E3, jorm about Flow, Katy about the FDC, Siko about the IEG, LiAnna about the Wikipedia Education Programme in the Arab World, and Steven LaPorte about the new COI guidelines.
[17:58:41] <James_F>	 And then Sue. :-)
[18:04:02] <sgardner>	 We may run out of time for me today, and I don't have anything special to announce. So we might skip my Q and A thing.
[18:06:37] <James_F>	 Starting now.
[18:06:58] <James_F>	 MissGayle is speaking about new staff.
[18:07:06] <brion>	 whee
[18:07:56] <sgardner>	 Are any of the new staff here on IRC? (The remote ones, I mean.)
[18:08:30] <James_F>	 sgardner: Have chased a couple.
[18:08:42] <James_F>	 Now moving on to Erik Môller.
[18:08:44] <sumanah>	 yes audio is good
[18:08:56] <sumanah>	 http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/
[18:09:01] <James_F>	 March: First broke through 500m monthly uniques.
[18:09:15] <marktraceur>	 bblack: Welcome!
[18:09:23] <brion>	 is that china with their weird dips in the graph? it's a little fuzzy on youtube
[18:09:26] <James_F>	 sgardner: bblack is one of our new staff.
[18:09:28] <marktraceur>	 <wild applause follows>
[18:09:32] <James_F>	 brion: Yes.
[18:09:37] <brion>	 ah censorship \o/
[18:10:42] <sgardner>	 ah, bblack -- welcome!
[18:10:48] <sumanah>	 (some references to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_engagement )
[18:11:01] <sgardner>	 is Chip or Robert here on IRC?
[18:11:09] <James_F>	 sgardner: Chip is cndiv.
[18:11:26] <cndiv>	 Yes, I'm cndiv
[18:11:28] <sgardner>	 cndiv: can you or Robert turn off the AC? It's so noisy :-(
[18:11:42] <cndiv>	 sgardner leslie has it
[18:11:50] <James_F>	 sgardner: And it also doesn't work anyway. :-(
[18:11:54] <sgardner>	 (thanks cndiv.
[18:11:59] <sumanah>	 Anyone here who does a lot of Wikivoyage editing?
[18:12:01] <sgardner>	 yeah re it doesn't work :-(
[18:12:17] <MissGayle>	 this room is going to just get warmer - should've done anniversary ice creams today instead of last month!
[18:12:21] <sgardner>	 yay thank you leslie; that's better :-)
[18:12:52] <James_F>	 MissGayle: There was anniversary ice cream last month whilst I was in Sydney? Boo.
[18:13:06] <cndiv>	 sgardner robert is searching for the other fans
[18:13:07] <LeslieCarr>	 yeah but you were in sydney so...
[18:13:14] <sumanah>	 http://mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org/
[18:13:16] <cndiv>	 there we go
[18:13:16] <Abbasjnr>	 Are we allowed to post questions here?
[18:13:19] <James_F>	 (Maryana giving a micro-update about the mobile report card.)
[18:13:20] <James_F>	 Abbasjnr: Yes!
[18:13:24] <sgardner>	 :-)
[18:13:25] <James_F>	 Abbasjnr: I will proxy them for you.
[18:13:34] <sumanah>	 Abbasjnr: please do ask
[18:14:18] <sumanah>	 Quality of photos uploaded via iOS/Android apps: pretty high
[18:15:17] <Abbasjnr>	 Are there any updates WRT the WMF grant to CIS India? It's been almost a year since the grant was announced, but I haven't seen any progress reports. (I don't know who's the best person to answer this Q)
[18:15:42] <sumanah>	 Abbasjnr: you mean like  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Work_plan_April_2013_-_June_2014 ?
[18:15:54] <sumanah>	 Abbasjnr: and http://cis-india.org/about/newsletters/access-to-knowledge-bulletin-march-2013 ?
[18:15:55] <sgardner>	 Abbasjnr, I'm not sure there's anybody at the meeting today who can speak to that. It would be Anasuya, but she is actually in India meeting with that team right now.
[18:16:27] <Abbasjnr>	 Ah, thanks for the link, and the response
[18:16:30] <sumanah>	 Abbasjnr: are you on the wikimediaindia-l list? progress reports do get sent there
[18:17:08] <Abbasjnr>	 No. I'll check out the archives. Thanks
[18:17:16] <sumanah>	 the deployment of VisualEditor�s alpha version to 14 more language versions of Wikipedia;  https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/04/25/visualeditor-alpha-in-15-languages/
[18:17:44] <James_F>	 (It's actually now on Vietnamese wiki as well, per community request, so it's now live on 16 Wikipedias.)
[18:18:22] <sumanah>	 Thank you to the people who worked on removing very old skins, such as James_F
[18:18:27] * James_F  blushes.

[18:18:38] <sumanah>	 and to MatmaRex for restructuring CologneBlue for those who want to keep using it
[18:18:45] <James_F>	 Indeed!
[18:19:00] <sumanah>	 James_F: what's the best link to give people who want to know more about that skin removal?
[18:19:29] <sumanah>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Score you can put letters like a, b, c in wiki pages and then read & listen to the music!!
[18:19:56] <sumanah>	 Yay https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/05/02/wikimedia-engineering-april-2013-report/ :)
[18:20:49] <sumanah>	 oooh slick map thing :-)
[18:21:27] <James_F>	 sumanah: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Turning_off_outdated_skins
[18:23:22] <sumanah>	 Thanks James_F - I updated that page to reflect that it's now past, not future.
[18:23:36] <James_F>	 sumanah: Great!
[18:25:58] <Abbasjnr>	 Another Q: Since the WMF is (or has been) shifting gears to become a grantmaking organization, do you foresee a situation where you'll be giving out unrestricted grants to non-Wikimedia entities (like the one given to CIS India)?
[18:26:06] <James_F>	 Any questions about the Translate extension?
[18:26:17] <DarTar>	 the new design looks awesome
[18:26:34] <marktraceur>	 Slides at http://hexm.de/tux-slides
[18:27:10] <sgardner>	 it's not under SUL, right? (translatewiki)
[18:27:19] <James_F>	 sgardner: Yeah, it's not a WMF wiki.
[18:27:27] <sgardner>	 yeah. Okay :-)
[18:27:48] <James_F>	 sgardner: Theoretically we could extend SUL to TWN even without them being a WMF wiki with the new tools, but... :-)
[18:27:54] <sgardner>	 can they put the URLs back up for a second?
[18:28:14] <sgardner>	 (Although Siebrand is of course lovely :-)
[18:28:27] * siebrand  loves pink polo shirts :)

[18:28:33] <sgardner>	 we all do!
[18:28:35] <Ironholds>	 well, this is a weird metrics meeting.
[18:28:43] <MissGayle>	 how so?
[18:28:46] <siebrand>	 sgardner: there ya go
[18:28:51] <Ironholds>	 I wander in and it's all shirt-y
[18:29:10] <sgardner>	 got what I need from the URLs, thanks :-)
[18:29:18] <Ironholds>	 sgardner: Strawberry preserve with Marc de Champagne, I have some for you, btw.
[18:29:19] <James_F>	 Now doing the E3 discussion.
[18:29:28] <sgardner>	 yay Ironholds, when are you back here?
[18:29:30] <sumanah>	 SWalling!
[18:29:34] <pginer>	 Our slides are available at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Translation-ux-slides.pdf
[18:29:41] <James_F>	 pginer: Thanks!
[18:29:48] <sumanah>	 https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/04/25/try-new-login-accountcreation/
[18:29:51] <Ironholds>	 sgardner: July, looks like, but my current houseguest will bring it over on Saturday :).
[18:29:59] <cndiv>	 pginer siebrand sounded great!
[18:30:03] <Ironholds>	 well, not literally. Monday ;p
[18:30:19] <siebrand>	 cndiv: Cool. We came prepared :)
[18:30:19] <MissGayle>	 i see a tea party with crumpets involved...
[18:30:43] <James_F>	 Ooh. Crumpets!
[18:30:54] <DarTar>	 crumpets!
[18:31:16] <MissGayle>	 new account creation page is beautiful...
[18:31:41] <harshkothari>	 awesome page :)
[18:32:39] <HenriqueCrang>	 actually the emergency mode of captcha has been disabled on pt.wiki in Apr 9
[18:32:42] <sumanah>	 Adding ~500 new Wikipedians per month!!
[18:32:50] * sumanah  is excited.

[18:32:52] <James_F>	 Any questions for Steven about E3?
[18:33:00] * harshkothari  also 

[18:33:15] <sumanah>	 Is there a way to use the RENDER toolset to find microtasks? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/RENDER
[18:33:50] <James_F>	 sumanah: Will ask.
[18:33:50] <lbenedix>	 where is the usertesting process documented?
[18:33:50] <sumanah>	 for instance, finding orphan pages that are better-written in other languages so we know they have the potential for being better
[18:34:09] <DarTar>	 sumanah: we have some ideas about better serving microtasks, would be great to chat at Wikimania
[18:34:23] <sumanah>	 DarTar: hey, we don't have to wait till then!
[18:36:23] <James_F>	 lbenedix: Normally on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/E3
[18:36:29] <James_F>	 lbenedix: Not sure specifically about this.
[18:36:35] <DarTar>	 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Onboarding_new_Wikipedians
[18:36:44] <DarTar>	 lbenedix: ^^
[18:36:46] <sumanah>	 RENDER is automated; GettingStarted grabs stuff that has been marked by editors, and is better for newbies
[18:36:49] <sumanah>	 got it
[18:37:03] <James_F>	 Now Brandon (jorm) talking about the Flow prototype.
[18:37:15] <James_F>	 elohim.gaijin.com/flow/
[18:37:18] <harshkothari>	 sumanah: Geeting Started stuff is very useful. Its awesome
[18:37:24] <sumanah>	 Isarra: you might like to watch this bit, as Brandon is speaking.
[18:37:33] <brion>	 floooooow
[18:37:45] <brion>	 i love this prototype so far
[18:37:57] <brion>	 have already sent my suggestions to brandon :)
[18:38:07] <Isarra>	 sumanah: Wish I could.
[18:38:25] <sumanah>	 People who want to give design feedback to Brandon might like to skim https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Design/How_to_Give_Design_Feedback for tips
[18:38:54] <harshkothari>	 awesome loading logo "W"
[18:39:40] <sumanah>	 harshkothari: funny, I was thinking "I don't care for that" - different strokes for different folks.
[18:40:47] <sumanah>	 question:
[18:40:51] <marktraceur>	 http://elohim.gaijin.com/flow <-- the demo
[18:40:51] <James_F>	 Any questions for Brandon?
[18:40:56] <sumanah>	 jorm: do we want to get the larger community to test this?
[18:41:08] <harshkothari>	 sumanah:  :)
[18:41:09] <sumanah>	 for instance, is now a good time to get our volunteer testers to concentrate on this?
[18:41:19] <anomie>	 sumanah: That link makes it sound like they don't want feedback from ordinary users
[18:41:34] <sumanah>	 May 9th
[18:42:22] <sumanah>	 This is only user-to-user discussion
[18:42:30] <sumanah>	 VillagePump-style and article discussions will be very different
[18:43:01] <brion>	 why should they be different? this seems ideal for that as well
[18:43:04] <sumanah>	 James_F: can you ask about Flow Portal? when we ought to start getting people to look at that?
[18:43:16] <James_F>	 sumanah: More than publicly linking it in the blog?
[18:43:17] <Isarra>	 Making them different would just confuse the users. brion is right.
[18:43:54] <James_F>	 Now Katy talking about the FDC.
[18:44:00] <brion>	 could folks speak up a bit? volume seems to have gone down
[18:44:01] <sumanah>	 James_F: not sure whether your response there was re my first or 2nd question
[18:44:07] <brion>	 ah that's better
[18:44:08] <James_F>	 sumanah: Flow Portal.
[18:44:24] <James_F>	 sumanah: It's linked from the Flow status updates which go into the blog, isn't it?
[18:44:59] <James_F>	 brion: They're not "different" in terms of interface, but WP: namespace will need special extra things (like votes) that aren't necessary on User: or : namespace discussions.
[18:45:03] <jorm>	 fyi: i don't think the discussions will be that different but we have to assume that they could be.
[18:45:07] <James_F>	 brion: AIUI.
[18:45:09] <brion>	 James_F, ok that makes sense
[18:45:13] * James_F  lets jorm speak.

[18:45:29] <sumanah>	 James_F: So far the links to Flow Portal have been, like, 1 of 300 links within the monthly engineering report.  I'm talking about actively driving people to go comment on Flow Portal
[18:45:45] <jorm>	 right.  stuff like that.
[18:45:48] <sumanah>	 It sounds like I should wait till May 9th and that might be the day to drive all this
[18:45:51] <jorm>	 articles may need "collaborative" postings.
[18:46:38] <Nikerabbit>	 is flow going to replace lqt and if so, will it be possible to migrate?
[18:46:53] <jorm>	 yes, and yes.
[18:47:10] <sumanah>	 https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/How_have_things_gone_with_the_first_year_of_the_FDC%3F  https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Nobody_knows,_but_everyone_cares:_How-to_submit_an_awesome_application_to_the_FDC  https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/How_have_things_gone_for_the_organisations_that_have_been_through_the_Funds_Dissemination_Committee_process%3F
[18:47:16] <James_F>	 Questions for Katy?
[18:47:23] <Nikerabbit>	 short and sweet :)
[18:47:25] <sumanah>	 mark yourself as an interested attendee for those Wikimania proposals if you want them to happen this year
[18:47:30] <sumanah>	 We're interested!
[18:47:32] <sumanah>	 just no ?s
[18:47:40] <James_F>	 OK, now Siko about the IEGs.
[18:47:51] <jorm>	 what's the link to the etherpad?
[18:47:57] <brion>	 jorm, any plans on migration of existing talk pages? ;) as you know from the mockup that's... not trivial
[18:47:57] <drdee>	 it seems rather harsh to give no money at all to some chapters
[18:48:15] <drdee>	 particularly when they organize wikimania
[18:48:15] <jorm>	 i am not remotely thinking about that, brion.  feel free too, though!  muahahahah.
[18:48:19] <brion>	 hehehe
[18:48:38] <sumanah>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/2013-04-18 had a presentation by 3 of the IEG grantees
[18:48:49] <jorm>	 i know how that breaks brains.
[18:48:56] <sumanah>	 The Wikipedia Adventure, by Jacob Orlowitz; MediaWiki data browser, by Yaron Koren; Replay Edits, by Jeph Paul.
[18:49:40] <sumanah>	 round 2 schedule for https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG --  Proposals accepted: 1 Aug ‑ 30 Sept.  Not too early to start your proposals......
[18:50:42] <James_F>	 Any questions for Siko?
[18:50:47] <Trizek>	 Hi everyone
[18:51:10] <JeanFred>	 Hi folks
[18:51:22] <ragesoss>	 sourcerors!
[18:51:32] <JeanFred>	 Yay for WIkisource!
[18:51:39] <James_F>	 Trizek, JeanFred: Heya; if you're here for the Metrics meeting, we're 51 minutes in already. :-(
[18:52:03] <sumanah>	 logs: http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23wikimedia-office/20130502.txt
[18:52:09] <Seb35>	 hey
[18:52:25] <JeanFred>	 James_F: There are seven of us watching the live stream on a two meters screen :)
[18:52:25] <James_F>	 sumanah: Thanks. :-)
[18:52:30] <James_F>	 JeanFred: Enjoying?
[18:52:31] <JeanFred>	 Since the beginning
[18:52:40] <James_F>	 JeanFred: I hope it's been useful!
[18:52:43] <JeanFred>	 Well, we have beers
[18:52:51] <JeanFred>	 It might help
[18:53:06] <James_F>	 Drink every time someone says "community"?
[18:53:29] <JeanFred>	 One shot at each "wiki".
[18:54:08] <JeanFred>	 There we are : https://twitter.com/bevellin/statuses/330026717999681536
[18:54:16] <Pymouss>	 Hi everybody
[18:54:21] <sumanah>	 hi Pymouss
[18:55:08] <Pymouss>	 JeanFred: We should have a better picture of us :s
[18:55:26] <sumanah>	 Question for Siko: what specifically might we do re gendergap?
[18:55:35] <JeanFred>	 Our live stream crashed when Katy was supposedly about to explain why Wikimedia France got 70% of its FDC funding request...
[18:55:36] <Trizek>	 @pymouss Use Fañch :)
[18:55:50] <JeanFred>	 COINCIDENCE ??? I don't think so !
[18:55:59] <sumanah>	 Suggestion: reach out beyond Wikimedia comms channels to OER & other openstuff communities
[18:56:04] <James_F>	 Any questions?
[18:56:13] <sumanah>	 James_F: ^
[18:56:25] <James_F>	 Any /other/ questions, I meant. :-)
[18:56:42] <sumanah>	 Siko says: focused, targeted recruiting, invitation.
[18:56:43] <harshkothari>	 sumanah: what is the status of Project ECHO ?
[18:56:48] <JeanFred>	 Why the Kittens?
[18:56:53] <sumanah>	 harshkothari: you mean https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Echo_%28Notifications%29 ?
[18:57:10] <James_F>	 harshkothari: It was launched on the English Wikipedia on Tuesday.
[18:57:17] <sumanah>	 harshkothari: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/05/02/notifications-launch-english-wikipedia/
[18:57:38] <brion>	 is the mike on?
[18:57:47] <James_F>	 Now LiAnna talking about the Wikipedia Education Programme in the Arab World
[18:57:47] <JeanFred>	 James_F: Why the kittens? :)
[18:57:52] <Trizek>	 Can we use the IEG to focus a group on a project? Like thehelp and welcome French project
[18:57:52] <sgardner>	 brion yes, can't you hear?
[18:57:52] <James_F>	 brion: Which of the six? :-)
[18:57:57] <sumanah>	 harshkothari: I suggest you subscribe to https://blog.wikimedia.org/c/technology/
[18:58:06] <brion>	 ok, new speaker is a bit louder :D
[18:58:06] <James_F>	 JeanFred: What kittens?
[18:58:07] <Trizek>	 err too late
[18:58:26] <sumanah>	 Trizek: have you read the IEG page on meta?  try looking at that, and if you have questions, post to talk page
[18:58:28] <JeanFred>	 James_F:  The IEG ones ;-þ
[18:58:30] <sgardner>	 brion yeah this is Lianna, she is a little louder than Siko was at the end :-)
[18:58:34] <brion>	 sgardner, i'm on the youtubes so sometimes people are a little quiet :D
[18:58:39] <sgardner>	 :-)
[18:58:42] <James_F>	 JeanFred: Oh, that's heatherw's logo for it. Ask her. :-)
[18:59:30] <sumanah>	 harshkothari: I suggest you subscribe to https://blog.wikimedia.org/c/technology/
[19:00:06] <sumanah>	 harshkothari: check out https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/05/02/notifications-launch-english-wikipedia/ . Echo (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Echo_%28Notifications%29 )  was launched on the English Wikipedia on Tuesday.
[19:00:25] <Trizek>	 @sumanah I'll try to find time for it :)
[19:00:33] <James_F>	 Any questions for LiAnna?
[19:00:38] <sumanah>	 Saudi Arabia, wow
[19:01:32] <GorillaWarfare>	 James_F: Is the video going to be saved anywhere for after-the-fact viewing?
[19:01:35] <brion>	 i keep meaning to at least learn arabic script.... would make it easier to help with RTL issues :D
[19:01:42] <brion>	 and ordering food when traveling ;)
[19:01:48] <sumanah>	 Question: are these students editing from college or home? how is their net access?
[19:01:48] <James_F>	 GorillaWarfare: Yes.
[19:02:07] <GorillaWarfare>	 Lovely :) I'll watch it when I get home in a bit
[19:02:14] <GorillaWarfare>	 It all sounds very interesting
[19:02:18] <sumanah>	 (I ask because this could be lessons-learned that we could take and give to India, etc)
[19:02:38] <HaeB>	 related blog post https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/05/02/wikipedia-education-program-arab-world/
[19:02:43] <sgardner>	 Is this meeting scheduled to end now, or in a half-hour?
[19:02:47] <sumanah>	 Answer: These students do a lot of work offline in word processing
[19:02:53] <sumanah>	 uploading big edits all at once
[19:03:01] <James_F>	 Now a quick update from Steven LaPorte on new Conflict of Interest Guidelines.
[19:03:05] <James_F>	 sgardner: Now.
[19:03:07] <JeanFred>	 QUestion : the proejct is focused on Wikipedia or other Wikiemdia proejcts as well ?
[19:03:27] <sumanah>	 Thank you James_F
[19:03:32] <James_F>	 sumanah: The channel is more for asking questions for the meeting, than live-tweeting the contents. :-)
[19:03:45] <James_F>	 sumanah: Always. :-)
[19:04:08] <sgardner>	 K thanks James.
[19:04:15] <HaeB>	 stephen laporte talking about https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest_policy
[19:04:19] <sumanah>	 James_F: I have cut down on the livetweeting bit (although people who can't hear well or can't understand rapid English well have in the past said that the livetweeting was welcome); I think it's fine to log bits that won't show up in the slides in the channel log
[19:04:26] <sumanah>	 so, answers to questions
[19:04:27] <ldavis>	 JeanFred: you mean the education program?
[19:04:44] <JeanFred>	 ldavis: yes
[19:04:52] <ldavis>	 the egypt program is focused on wikipedia, although students often take photos and add them to commons as well
[19:04:57] <HaeB>	 sorry, wrong link
[19:05:02] <James_F>	 sumanah: I think it's unhelpful. This is an IRC channel for a video. If you miss something, you can re-watch.
[19:05:06] <sumanah>	 OK.
[19:05:11] <James_F>	 We're skipping questions from Sue.
[19:05:16] <James_F>	 Thank you everyone!
[19:05:17] <JeanFred>	 ldavis: Thanks!
[19:05:43] <brion>	 whee
[19:05:53] <JeanFred>	 Thanks for the meeting everyone.
[19:06:00] <ldavis>	 in some other countries, students also edit wikinews or other projects, but the vast majority are wikipedia and commons
[19:06:32] <sumanah>	 ldavis: do any of them use Kiwix?
[19:06:47] <sumanah>	 well, or rather, I should say: do we train them to use Kiwix?
[19:07:01] <sumanah>	 if they want to do a lot of offline work, maybe having offline copies of the existing wiki would be useful
[19:07:09] <siebrand>	 If you have any suggestions for remote presenters, please let me know….
[19:07:11] <ldavis>	 we don't, actually
[19:07:34] <ldavis>	 but that's a good idea
[19:07:59] <HaeB>	 correct link re stephen's presentation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Guidelines_on_potential_conflicts_of_interest
[21:38:37] <Micru>	 marktraceur, are you there?
[21:38:44] <marktraceur>	 I am there!
[21:38:47] <marktraceur>	 Er, here
[21:38:58] <marktraceur>	 Micru: This may not be the place to chat
[21:39:06] <Micru>	 ok
[21:39:29] <marktraceur>	 Micru: #mediawiki is a good default