[00:12:04] rfarrand, you are here! [00:12:17] i checked both the mobile & staff channels first [00:12:51] Oh, huh, she should be on -staff, what's with that [00:13:43] yurik I am back on staff now! [00:17:04] rfarrand, come to mobile too, hang out with the cool ppl :-P [00:17:22] whats the channel name yurik? [00:17:35] #wikimedia-mobile [00:18:06] done [14:12:07] Hi, I have short question and I am not sure if I am asking on right place. There is wiki user:Český rozhlas on cs.wiki which was established by somebody. However, the name of "Český rozhlas" is trademark of Czech company which would like to released images on Commons under this nickname. However, they do not know if this account was created by somebody of their employees or not. They are asking if is it possible get information, [14:12:07] which email was used for the creation of this account and if yes, where we have to ask? If the account was created by their employees, the end of used email will be probable rozhlas.cz. Thanks for help. [14:13:15] Chmee2: Have you tried emailing the user through the form onwiki? [14:13:44] this option is not visible on his user page [14:14:01] his/her, however he can might just switch off this function [14:14:20] Chmee2: http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD:E-mail/%C4%8Cesk%C3%BD_rozhlas maybe [14:15:00] yes, there is written that "this user does not want received emails from others" [14:15:17] Ah. [14:15:48] Chmee2: Beyond that I'm not sure this is the best place to ask...have you asked the wiki admins? [14:16:24] * Chmee2 is wiki admin on cs.wiki and he has no tool how to get into database to see email filled in the time of registration [14:16:51] maybe checkusers have this option but I do not know [14:18:19] *nod* [14:20:13] * Chmee2 asked checkusers and they do not this option too [14:29:55] Chmee2: you should just force-rename or block the user, this is standard on many wikis [14:30:31] Nemo_bis: the user has as 45 edits so it will be "problematic" force-rename this user on cs.wiki because of local politic [14:30:35] anything else would be a violation of privacy policy, AFAICS [14:30:44] Chmee2: fix the policy [14:30:56] *recent* changes? [14:31:03] hehe, easier to say, worst do [14:31:56] other options: 1) IAR, ignore the policy, 2) circumvent the policy (e.g. delete all edits or block for other reasons), 3) ABUSE (e.g. get it locked by a steward) [14:32:18] marktraceur: nn, from 2006, however when I checked SUL (http://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD%3ACentralAuth&target=%C4%8Cesk%C3%BD+rozhlas) it seems that the SUL was done 55 days before so the account is still active (or it was done automatically?) [14:32:35] There's nothing wrong with the policy [14:32:47] You can't see other people's email addresses [14:32:50] That's deliberate. [14:33:03] Krenair: the username policy I meant [14:33:20] what? you said the privacy policy... [14:33:24] I don't see why they allow such a username in the first place [14:33:30] that's the policy that can't be ignored :) [14:33:40] Does cswiki have IAR? [14:33:47] of course [14:33:51] link? [14:33:56] if it doesn't have it locally, ignore the fact [14:34:01] Krenair: yes, it might be used but it is better try to find other ways [14:34:12] Even if it does, you can't apply it if you're doing something which you know the local community will oppose [14:34:20] who's "you" [14:34:49] anyway, 4) get the company email OTRS or legals to request a rename for legal reasons [14:34:58] Nemo_bis: nobody can know if the first "Cesky rozhlas" user was the real one connected with this company or not. Therefore, you can not restrict using these names [14:35:04] but seriously, you should be able to deal with it locally *shrugs* [14:35:11] In English 'you' doesn't necessarily have to refer to anyone specific, Nemo_bis [14:35:53] Krenair: I doubt that's a feature of English specifically :) [14:36:10] It's like the indefinite third person in most other languages [14:36:16] We replaced "one" with "you" [14:36:41] * Chmee2 is identifying opportunities what is possible to do and what not. Later, he will recommend to the company the best and easiest solution [14:36:47] "One does one's best" became "You do your best" [14:36:54] 'one' seems pompous and outdated. something the queen might be mocked with [14:37:02] See, exactly. [14:37:04] one doesn't say "one" anymore [14:37:14] in Italian it's the opposite, "one" (uno) is colloquial :) [14:37:30] Nemo_bis: I think it's a different thing [14:37:40] how so [14:37:44] For example one wouldn't use "un" in French to refer to a person, we use "on" [14:38:09] great to have English lesson, however it not help me with my problem :) [14:38:10] They both translate to "one" in English, but the latter is a pronoun, not a number [14:38:11] I know for sure that's different in French than in Italian [14:38:17] Ah, K. [14:38:25] Chmee2: I already gave you 1+4 alternatives, should be enough [14:38:48] if you only accept as an answer the one you liked most, don't ask ;) [14:39:32] not really, but I overlooked the option 4. This is the most easy, however, OK, we will have email in OTRS, but the OTRS team has to ask somebody to do so. Who? Stewards? [14:39:47] Nemo_bis, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_you [14:40:15] Krenair: I've no idea why you keep assuming I don't know about it [14:40:32] who's "you" [14:40:38] so what [14:41:06] who's on first [14:41:26] I meant, is it a local, a steward, a staffer, a sysop, a random user, anyone in the world, blabla [14:42:32] Chmee2, Stewards are effectively global super-bureaucrats. they can grant themselves checkuser but as you said checkusers can't do it, and cswiki has local checkusers anyway [14:44:04] Krenair: I see, so than I am missing the solution to get email to OTRS, because people from OTRS do not have such rights to rename somebody and they certainly do not do it globally [14:44:20] than/then grrr :) [14:44:47] You're trying to get the user renamed or see their email address? [14:45:03] "OTRS" means little, because tickets can be forwarded anywhere, anyway legal@wikimedia.org certainly has all powers [14:45:17] Krenair: btw generic you exists since Latin at least http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/interlocutore-generico_%28Enciclopedia-dell%27Italiano%29/ [14:45:19] Bare in mind there isn't necessarily an address at all [14:46:28] Krenair: firstly see the user email, but if this account is controlled by somebody who is not part of this government company, than renamed [14:46:42] To actually get the address you'd need someone a technical foundation employee (who can see private parts of the db directly) who's allowed by legal to share such info [14:46:51] who is a* [14:47:41] not gonna happen [14:47:54] As for renaming, these users can do it: https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD:U%C5%BEivatel%C3%A9/bureaucrat [14:48:20] Krenair: :)))) [14:50:58] Krenair: thanks for link, I was actually bureaucrat for couple years, so I am familiar with process of renaming. But the point is, if the user was created by previous employee of this company and the official companies email was used, the company is able restore the email and used "sent new password". It will be the most easiest way which will save energy to looking for some "legal" way on cs.wiki how to force-rename the user. [14:51:59] However it seems that to get the information if @rozhlas.cz was used is more complicated then fight with local cs.wiki policy :) [14:52:32] much more, unfortunately for this situation but thankfully in general [14:52:58] I agree with general, but it is stupid now :) [14:53:27] btw why is this discussion in wikimedia-office? [14:53:48] because only a rogue office could fulfill the original request [14:53:56] Easy, there is like "dozens" of IRC channels and I have no idea where is the best place to ask. [14:53:56] ah [14:54:33] and this place seems as good starting point because they are people which will have rights to see into database [15:04:37] thanks for help and see you next time [17:06:59] Morning all! I'm setting up for today's metrics meeting - the stream link is http://youtu.be/UoCEj5AOrFA [17:08:38] if someone would make that the topic, that would be great [17:08:39] thanks [17:36:18] metrics! [17:47:10] I'm not sure I understand what caused the related videos next to the metrics stream [17:47:33] 'Lose weight with beer'? [17:47:36] Seems obvious [17:47:50] I've got "How to pass a drug test prank" [17:48:03] I guess HR is presenting [17:48:25] Oh, me too, right below [17:50:00] is the YouTube link on the topic yet? [17:50:23] not yet [17:50:51] brion: http://youtu.be/UoCEj5AOrFA [17:51:32] ugjh I can't cut and paste in this android client [17:51:41] somebody else can do oit :-) [17:52:29] thx :-) [17:53:41] Bence: I was just going to do that [17:54:12] fire alarm, we assume it's bogus [17:54:39] if we all die you'll see it on the hangout [17:55:22] make sure you cc licence the footage in advance [17:56:05] OK alarm stopped [17:56:14] so we're not gon a die [17:57:23] okay the fire alarm has stopped. [17:58:25] Where there's one bogus fire alarm... [17:58:37] There are bound to be fifty more... [17:59:19] XD [17:59:21] Oh dear [17:59:23] Off to a good start [18:01:53] OK, we're back. [18:01:57] Getting started soon. [18:02:11] I'll be compèring IRC as normal. [18:02:25] whee [18:02:26] Except that I'm also presenting, so for a few minutes I'll be unavailable. [18:02:49] James_F: Just bring IRC up on your screen at the end, skip the middleman [18:03:16] s/PowerPoint/ASCII art/ [18:04:26] marktraceur: :-) [18:04:46] brion: You forgot the g flag [18:05:08] heh [18:05:47] OK, so first up it'll be Erik introducing us and then Gayle to do top-line metrics [18:06:02] youtube link? [18:06:04] video link? I seem to have missed it... [18:06:18] One moment. [18:06:24] From the topic: http://youtu.be/UoCEj5AOrFA [18:06:38] If it's the one in the channel topic, it still says "please stand by"... [18:06:46] Yeah [18:06:46] thanks [18:07:11] Video starting in 10 seconds. [18:07:15] i updated the wiki page [18:07:19] with the vid link [18:07:30] we're on [18:07:30] awjr: Thanks. :-) [18:07:46] would love audio comments! [18:07:59] The link in the topic still shows standby for mee [18:08:06] same [18:08:14] same [18:08:15] I've hit the button it should go live in a second [18:08:17] I reloaded and it came up [18:08:21] you have to reload. It's weird. [18:08:24] But always like that I think. [18:08:26] odd [18:08:28] Ah, there we go [18:08:31] in [18:08:36] Up for me. Thanks! [18:08:43] yay [18:09:09] Woo heatherw [18:09:10] i find it really strange that i can't use the youtube app on my android device to play the metrics meeting - it always results in 'unsupported video format' [18:09:15] :D [18:09:51] Now top-line metrics. [18:10:02] congrats heatherw [18:10:11] thanks! [18:11:36] Now me about VisualEditor, so I'll not be answering questions for a second - will answer afterwards if you want. :-) [18:11:41] can someone tell mark-andre that he can't join by phone? I can't type there without muting the hangout [18:11:45] what are we congratulating heatherw for? [18:11:54] lol Ironholds [18:14:08] reference editor oh yeahhhhhj [18:15:11] audio/video comments plz! [18:16:08] Can we get a link to the video that is shown? [18:17:16] well poke jamesf INA bit too upload them if they're not yet [18:18:14] is it coming through the screenshare at all? [18:19:09] yep [18:19:17] it should be according to chip [18:19:30] hi [18:20:10] !log [18:20:29] * sumanah looks at http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23wikimedia-office/20130606.txt [18:20:55] It is coming through, but the resolution is so low you cannot figure out the URL [18:21:09] Coren: "[18:11:41] can someone tell mark-andre that he can't join by phone? I can't type there without muting the hangout" [18:21:34] Managed to get my mike working with the new version of Hangout [18:21:56] I wonder if the template editor can handle something like [[en:Template:On this day]]. It can have an effectively unlimited number of date# and oldid# parameters. [18:22:36] Good James_F impersonation, brion. [18:22:59] :-) [18:23:19] Great, thanks James_F! [18:23:52] Hey. [18:23:56] Ainali: Thank you! [18:24:18] Maryana, on mobile. [18:24:24] https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/1YzTToGQg29MhioYH3l3IyvBiyPBNozUGCTXPZYcu0HY/edit#slide=id.p [18:24:26] sumanah: Thanks! :-) [18:24:45] clearly YouTube is delayed. [18:24:51] James is still taking Qs on my screen. [18:25:00] * anomie wonders how far behind the feed is from in-person [18:25:16] looks like about a minute. [18:25:18] I was just wondering whether I was the only one, and that it would be cool to have a clock on screen to verify [18:25:22] Maryana just took the mic [18:25:40] well, get her to give it back! [18:25:46] it's WMF property and she should be careful with it. [18:26:24] About the Commons apps: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/04/29/announcing-the-official-commons-app-for-ios-and-android/ [18:27:50] it is through Commons upload discussion that I've learnt the word "selfies" [18:28:45] let us know if the switch to iPad works for you remotoies [18:29:36] I'm seeing it [18:29:38] it should be working :-) [18:29:40] Looks like the lag is about 40 seconds. [18:29:43] yay [18:30:03] it's much clearer locally, just fyi [18:31:01] omg these images are so lovely [18:31:21] :-) :-) [18:32:22] I could just watch this slideshow for a long long time [18:33:07] slideshow mode with airplay support would rock [18:33:23] I like the placeholder tutorial, when will we be finished porting the UploadWizard tutorial to mobile? :P [18:33:35] [18:33:56] hey qgil - got a moment? [18:33:58] Any questions for Monty? [18:34:03] with puzzly? :-) [18:34:10] sure sumanah [18:34:48] **Monte not Monty [18:34:49] everyone still sees erik's screen? [18:34:50] sumanah, I'm in 6th floor - and here :) [18:34:55] need to know :-) [18:35:14] I'm starting to get jealous of iOS. [18:35:21] :/ [18:35:32] qgil: when I speak about GSoC/OPW, I'm going to basically: 1) say "whoo, 22 interns from [countries], more than ever & structures to make the work work out" 2) gendergap 3) some highlights of what they're working on. Sound good, or anything else you want me to highlight? [18:35:49] ragesoss yeah we've got a big backlog to add to android [18:36:11] sumanah: Could you keep conversation not at least tangentially-related to the Metrics meeting out of the channel? :-) [18:36:30] James_F: this is what I'm about to say *in the Metrics meeting*. [18:36:57] sumanah, 32 mentors and good representation of WMF / Wikimedia / MediaWiki centric projects? If you want to explain more, that is. You got the basics right. [18:37:00] sumanah: Sure. But people are trying to concentrate on Mobile right now. [18:37:02] ok. [18:37:47] questions for Maryana? [18:38:00] How do I access edit history of an article on the mobile site? (I am not asking Maryana, just anyone here.) [18:38:09] cndiv, did you get my message? [18:38:25] I see icons for edit, add photo (!), talk and watchlist, but not edit history. [18:38:29] sgardner authors link near bottom [18:38:32] sgardner: via 'last edited' timestamp at the bottom of mobile articles [18:38:55] er… 'last modified' [18:39:17] "Last modified one month ago." (on the article I'm on) -- thank you :-) [18:39:26] in the stable version, you get directed to the desktop version of the history page [18:39:33] in beta, you'll get sent to a mobile version of the history page [18:39:47] Now Wikidata from Denny. [18:39:49] And I can thank there, yay :-) [18:40:23] :D [18:41:31] * JeanFred is late for the Metrics meeting [18:42:13] JeanFred: You're just in time for Erik's huge sneeze. :-) [18:42:14] spoiler: Erik is about to sneeze. [18:42:22] turn your volume down [18:42:22] Woo, liangent. [18:42:56] And remember kids, go home if you're sick. :) [18:43:06] Unfortunately, the hangout stream is « experiencing technical difficulties », so no sneeze for me :p [18:43:11] WOW i think im deaf [18:43:18] it was loud here, too. [18:43:21] JeanFred: it is? how so? [18:43:22] there it is. [18:43:46] now here. hihi. [18:44:02] cndiv: « Please stand by. We’re experiencing technical difficulties » − on both Firefox & Chromium [18:44:28] anyone else experiencing the same? all looks fine on my end [18:44:32] * JeanFred disappointed [18:44:34] try refreshing [18:44:44] I refreshed, and now I see technical difficulties too [18:45:04] stream is lagging and stops several times. [18:45:08] nothing's changed over here, must be google... [18:45:41] works for me. I've had to reload a couple times [18:45:43] would love updates on the stream... [18:45:55] FYI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Wikidata_Phase_2 [18:45:57] Questions re Wikidata? [18:46:00] Any questions about Wikidata? [18:46:05] So enwp may have started to use 'em in templates [18:47:07] oh I like the precision choices [18:48:07] cndiv: Still broken for me − reloaded 10 times already [18:48:24] Still not working here either [18:48:35] * JeanFred looks for the purge tab on YouTube [18:48:36] JeanFred: :-(, sorry to hear that. I don't think it has anything to do with us, considering most people can still see [18:48:40] I show 28 viewers [18:49:04] it'll be posted after at least... [18:49:14] cndiv: I now get "technical difficulties" when I try to join too; it was working beforehand. :-( [18:49:39] James_F: I'm not sure what to make of it. It's intermittent depending on user [18:49:43] James_F and anomie got trapped ! [18:49:44] * James_F nods. [18:50:35] everybody's phone just chimed for their 12pm calendars items :-) [18:51:59] were having some trouble getting Ryan pon screen [18:53:06] that was fun :-) [18:53:10] OK its all up [18:53:19] Tool Labs: http://tools.wmflabs.org/ [18:53:21] well except you people who can't see anything [18:53:34] * JeanFred can’t have the footage [18:53:38] * JeanFred is So Sad, So Very, Very, Sad [18:55:41] * Eloquence raises fist in mountain view's general direction [18:56:32] deployment-prep ftw [18:56:37] appreciated! [18:57:29] Woo, me [18:59:14] Now Sumana about GOPW/GSoC. [18:59:30] Ah, with Quim. :-) [18:59:50] * Ainali is standing by. Youtube is experiencing technical difficulties. :( [19:00:10] Ainali: :-( [19:00:39] OpenID for authentication :) [19:01:06] OAuth for authorization of access into the wiki [19:01:08] csteipp, yes. I do know the difference between authentication & authorization, but I misspoke :) [19:02:08] yesssss proofread page is getting refactoreed :-) :-) :-) [19:02:12] Any questions? [19:02:49] Next up is a Legal update. [19:02:56] (We're running a bit late.) [19:05:00] lolcats incoming [19:05:43] Lawyers present and are heckled about using licences? Gotta be WMF. [19:06:43] Eloquence: Oh, a presentation about IEG ? ;-) [19:06:52] annoying that the youtube stream isn't working [19:07:17] lawyercats [19:07:17] Krenair: keep refreshing, there are still 30 viewers on my end [19:07:46] cndiv: I've been refreshing every minute or so for the past 20. No luck yet. [19:08:07] :-( [19:08:08] anomie: same here [19:08:18] Questions about legal? [19:08:56] OK, with Sue now. [19:08:58] The meta logo ? [19:09:10] JeanFred: Ah, sorry, too late. [19:09:21] Dirty pool! [19:09:45] James_F: Only kidding − who wants to have more talk about legal stuff? :p [19:09:51] enwiki logo [19:09:53] :) [19:10:10] Let's scrap the Wikipedia logo; it's ugly and bad. [19:10:38] Yeah, and some of the other projects get much prettier ones [19:10:39] pretty big lag [19:12:16] heatherw: But you do get video, at least? [19:13:21] remember all that this video will be available afterwards... so if the stream didn't work for you, you can watch it right after. Which is still pretty good. :-) [19:13:26] Questions for Sue? [19:13:29] * GorillaWarfare plans to [19:14:08] Since we can't ask questions anyway (because of the lag), I suppose it is almost as good. [19:14:43] you can ask questions. IRC doesn't lag :) [19:14:43] we are taking questions for Sue now [19:14:56] sue is answering a question about the engineering/product dept split. [19:15:27] how's the search going for the next ED? [19:15:53] Yes, youtube worked great for me James_F [19:16:23] Bence: That was covered earlier - JD / advert posted last week. [19:16:36] sorry, I am flying blind here :) [19:16:42] Bence: Inc. in The Economist and a bunch of other places. [19:16:46] Bence: No worries. :-) [19:17:01] OK, closing now. [19:17:10] in the mean time I'll peruse the ads in my Economist then :) [19:17:14] Thank you everyone, and sorry about Google issues. :-( [19:20:34] Thanks and Cheers from Berlin. :) [19:21:03] Cheers from France :)