[00:24:05] hi. Where are you all from? [00:24:26] Base-w: The Internet. Why do you ask? [00:24:32] Maryana tse ta shcho rodom z ukrajiny?) [00:25:22] Marktraceur, obviously :) i mean the country/city [00:25:22] Base-w: Is there a reason you're looking for people's places of residence? We tend to default to anonymity around here. [00:25:38] i.e. not pressuring individuals at the very least. [00:25:51] because i want to ask some people to make a photo in their cit [00:25:58] *city [00:26:26] OK, so say "Hey, I'd like you all to consider taking pictures around your hometown" or something similar [00:26:27] to illustrate articles with that [00:28:04] Dont forget to assume good faith) [00:28:33] Base-w: I am assuming that you're meaning to do something useful but wound up accidentally stepping into a potentially dangerous area :) [00:29:01] Base-w: Also, this is generally not the _most_ amazing place to ask...well...anything. Nobody really hangs out here. [00:30:50] * Emufarmers gives marktraceur some tumbleweed. [00:30:58] Huzzah! [00:31:03] well i ask it not only here) i just entered and supposed that this crowd of people might be useful) actually there are few good places to as [00:31:10] *ask [00:32:14] what im interested in mostly are ukrainian embassies [00:32:24] thats why i poked maryana [00:32:37] Base-w: vybachte, my znajomi? [00:32:40] if i dont mix her with somebody else [00:33:11] maryana, ni, ja lyshe bachyv vas u nav u knajpi v ukwiki) [00:33:38] yasno :) pryvit! [00:33:46] ale vrahovujuchy shcho ja tezh rodom z lutska, zapamjatav) [00:36:02] Maryana, ne znajete khto mih by dopomohty zrobyty foto posolstv? Mozhe spilkujetes z kymos zi stolyts? [00:37:33] *u nas [00:38:12] foto posolstv v ukrajini? [00:38:39] chy ukrajinskikh posolstv v inshykh krajinakh? :) [00:39:45] maryana, ukrajinskykh v inshykh krajinakh [00:40:15] ja v kyjevi zhyvy - z tymy shcho v ukrajini problem ne maju) [00:40:44] :) [00:41:34] nu ale vony krim toho i bez mene sfotohrafovani) [00:42:11] a ot v inshykh krajinakh malo sfotohrafovano [00:44:20] ne vpevnena, ale mozhe khtos' tyt mozhe dopomogty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ukraine [00:45:02] https://uk.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%96%D1%8F:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%82%D1%96_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%B7_%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8F_%D0%B2_%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D1%86%D1%96 [00:45:08] This channel is getting very confusing very fast :P [00:45:41] sorry marktraceur :) [00:45:41] Marktraceur :P [00:45:57] official ukrainian business. no 'mericans! [00:46:18] Maryana, treba bud sprobuvaty. Ja poky v ibercoop pysav lyshe [00:46:26] i v irc/skype [00:48:02] Napadaju otak na ljudej z pytannjam de vony zhyvut xD [00:49:58] poky lyshe kanberru tak otrymav [00:50:24] v mene telefon z khvylyny na khvylynu rozrjadytsja [00:50:36] tomu ja budu rizko off [00:50:43] pereviryla flickr - tam deshcho je, ale ne pid creative commons litsenzii [00:51:33] nu ja tam lyshe uhorske znakhodyv [00:51:47] Z toho shcho treba [00:52:10] tam je shche kanadske vrodi ale vono je na kommonz [00:53:06] jak-by bilshe nashykh mandruvaly ;) [00:53:37] Ta mandryvaty to mozhe j mandrujut [00:53:57] a ot dodumatys zrobyty take foto ne dodumujutsja [00:55:01] vono turystam mozhe inodi i lehshe bude. Tak dekhto politsii bojitsja [00:55:29] Z mistsevykh [00:56:21] hmm, dijsno - mozhe [00:56:22] vpryntsypi i v ukrajini militsionery pidkhodjat koly take fotajesh [00:56:22] poperedyty [16:37:49] * KTC wave [16:38:05] jwild, we doing Google Hangout aren't we? [16:40:51] hey ktc! yea [16:41:17] getting the link [16:45:50] we were going to broadcast it, but i think there will be few enough of us that we can just do a regular old hangout [16:48:05] * KTC have used hangout all of once, on tuesday this week so have no idea the difference [16:50:03] video broadcast? [16:50:34] hey Base. We're working on it now… I'll post the link when we're set up. [16:51:23] thats for the hours that is to be near now? about learning patterns? [16:52:12] base yep [16:52:31] thats cool [16:58:29] Hi, I am User: Netha Hussain. Please add me to the google hangout when the link is ready. Thanks! [17:00:02] Hi everyone! if you are here for the learning pattern hangout, we are going to ping you a link to the call [17:00:27] so far I know Netha, Base, and KTC … anyone else here for the learning patterns? [17:00:42] me :) [17:00:50] jwild: well i have no idea what is is so i want to listen about it) [17:01:08] lol awesome :) [17:01:14] so add me please) [17:01:26] is there a youtube link? [17:04:00] jwild, I've gotten your other email to me, I'll respond soon :) [17:06:04] hello everyone! once again - we are getting started on the hangout on LEARNING PATTERNS. Let me know if you want to join [17:06:30] presentation / notes: https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/162zw8F-jA8O9aB0D8fKKyIAmW5KBNExiHqUE4Gf50Ko/edit#slide=id.gbf48c1e_078 [17:09:11] jwild: You should change the topic of this channel to reflect what you're meeting about :) [17:10:19] marktraceur - as an irc novice, how might i do that …? [17:12:40] jwild type /topic and then what you want as the topic and press Enter [17:12:44] jwild: Type "/topic something something something | Please note: Channel is logged and publicly posted (DO NOT REMOVE THIS NOTE). | https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours" [17:12:59] The last bit comes from the existing topic - we keep that there always [17:13:55] katiechan is faster than me [17:14:04] thanks -- and now I know :D [17:14:13] And knowledge is power! [17:14:24] * marktraceur freeze-frames with his fist in the air [17:14:29] it's /topic #channel TOPIC [17:14:47] KatieChan: Only if you're in a window that's not the channel you're in, IIRC [17:14:50] lol i can feel the power surge [17:14:55] howdy everyone [17:15:02] s/you're in/whose topic you want to change/ sorry [17:15:04] not according to the client I'm using anyway [17:15:32] *shrug* [17:15:38] hi raystorm_ [17:15:44] KatieChan: Mine says /TOPIC [-delete] [] [] [17:15:55] The square brackets indicate optional :) [17:16:04] hi KatieChan [17:16:09] Also I guess I can't set the topic of a channel to "-delete" [17:16:12] Which makes me sad [17:17:02] raystorm_ you here to join the learning patterns thing? [17:17:22] yes, if my connection holds [17:22:13] it seems my netbook just can't process the load of a few browser tabs, and Google has decided that I cannot use Hangouts even on my personal account, until my workplace converts - so i'll just look at the slids later :( [17:22:26] meh, my connection will not hold either [17:22:28] hey bence [17:22:32] :( [17:22:50] hi [17:23:08] not sure why they call them *net*books, though... [17:25:24] I'm sorry :( [17:25:48] you can hack out some patterns on your own, and ask questions / share the patterns here! [18:12:55] ah lost the hangout [18:13:56] jwild, what's the link? [18:16:12] HenriqueCrang: are you out there? [18:46:16] hi jonas_agx [18:46:44] HenriqueCrang: are in office hour now? [18:46:55] *you [18:47:04] i dont think so [18:47:06] i am not [18:47:07] :) [18:47:23] jonas_agx: There was one until about 18 minutes ago [18:47:35] thats okay :P thanks [18:47:37] But it was mostly Google Hangout-based I guess [18:47:43] Which is terrible [18:48:00] * Emufarmers snuggles marktraceur. [18:48:21] okay, I ask if is there something to read, a log-like description [18:48:35] Ohai Emufarmers [18:48:47] Yes, hello. [18:50:05] jonas_agx: I'm putting up logs as we speak [18:50:39] awesome marktraceur -- are you updating a pad, or doc? [18:50:49] A wiki page [18:50:52] Give me a sec [18:50:55] marktraceur: it wasn't really an "office hour". I added it to the office hours cal at the last minute so people could meet. We needed video to do the workshop. [18:50:58] Cluster's struggling :) [18:53:12] jonas_agx: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2013-11-14 but it's not super helpful [18:55:55] marktraceur: thanks, marktraceur! It is not so helpful but because the web-server is running :P [18:56:00] Yeah [18:56:10] * mean is NOT running [18:56:11] jonas_agx: They're working on getting it back up [18:56:35] jonas_agx: But also not helpful because people weren't really talking here [18:57:11] hehehe -- it's a telepathic meeting marktraceur [18:57:32] jonas_agx: Well, it's a meeting based in Google Hangouts. Which means to me, it may as well be telepathic [18:58:32] marktraceur: why you dont like such a way of meeting? [18:58:41] Because it's all non-free software [18:59:03] the only minus i see that t's actually not '''irc'''-meeting [18:59:20] as it named [18:59:56] marktraceur: webRTC will be popular soon, and that clo$sed software will pass, that is a prophecy [19:00:14] well not free but freeware so no problems to use it [19:00:53] Base: Maybe for some people. I have some principles that make it very hard for me to accept it. [19:01:22] jonas_agx: So I hope :) we're starting to use it for one-on-one chats internally, but it will probably be a while before it works for multi-user chats [19:01:26] marktraceur: that just makes your life more diffiult) [19:01:35] Base: Not terribly. [19:02:08] slightly is not zero anyway [19:02:17] marktraceur: it is nice to know, thanks for notice! [19:02:33] Base: No, but it's better in the long run to live with the small short-term convenience [19:03:52] marktraceur: well its your pov) [19:04:13] Base: I'd say it's generally the case that espousing principles in the face of minor inconvenience is a good thing [19:04:54] marktraceur: my POV is opposite :) [19:04:55] marktraceur, I see your point. We wouldn't have been able to do this tutorial over IRC, and there aren't good OSS options available as you point out. But sorry if calling our online workshop an office hour caused confusion. [19:05:39] actually a special page should be created for such activities [19:06:51] J-Mo: I'm just talking generally now [19:06:58] it would satisfy both - ones who want to be noticed and ones who have criteria for what they want to see in notices [19:07:06] Base, we announced it on the meta:Evaluation portal press page, but that page doesn't have a whole lot of watchers yet. We also pushed it through some mailing lists, etc. But it was super last minute. [19:07:07] Base: That any inconvenience caused by a principle should cause you to abandon it? [19:07:16] * J-Mo nods [19:07:26] Even if the principle is _generally_ correct, you should throw it away just because it's annoying right now? [19:07:59] marktraceur: i have few principles especially of the sort :) [19:08:14] Of what sort? [19:09:17] marktraceur: well circumstanceses are important as well. we are not in perfect world unfortunately. it's like WP:IAR - rules are good but in some cases they not suit situation [19:09:49] marktraceur: of attitude to freeness [19:10:37] Base: I can certainly agree that there are situations where you need to reconsider your approach. I haven't found such a situation yet in modern free software. [19:12:09] marktraceur: everybody has own set of requirements to software :) i'll never understand users of google chrom but they are in majority:) [19:12:16] *chrome [19:18:02] Base: I'm on chrome mainly b/c the developer tools are so nice. [19:18:22] i use ff [19:18:33] I am enjoying Chromium [19:18:41] I was forced into that because Gerrit [19:18:42] i know nothing that gch has and ff doesnt have [19:19:10] Memory conservatism? :) [19:19:16] the absence of a soul [19:19:29] strictly-speaking that's not a thing, though, it's the lack thereof, so your statement is still valid. [19:20:36] also, hi protonk! [19:29:02] yes that [19:30:37] ;p [19:46:56] Chrome doesn't not have a soul? [19:47:28] Nope [19:47:41] That's how jQuery.client checks for it - window.soul === undefined [19:48:11] ^ [19:48:20] Nice joke [19:48:23] there's a polyfill for IE, but you're not going to like it [19:50:00] protonk: What does it do, open a Firefox window in the background and adopt the document node from it? [19:53:38] marktraceur: I was going to go for an exorcism joke [19:54:25] but it's better as a noodle incident http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoodleIncident