[18:36:10] hello [18:39:31] Hi yannf! [18:43:21] Hola. Waiting for the URL to be published. [18:43:39] I was wondering... Is that URL also communicated on the Wikimedia twitter feed? [18:44:19] Oh, right, there's a meeting! [18:45:59] There you go siebrand [18:46:13] marktraceur: Ty! [18:46:43] I have the secret codez now [18:50:25] marktraceur: Thanks. I shouted the URL on Twitter and Facebook. [18:50:40] Woo hoo [18:50:45] I hope cndiv was ready for that [18:50:49] * marktraceur goes upstairs [18:52:28] marktraceur: Google Hangout on Air has almost unlimited capacity, AFAIK. [18:53:26] siebrand: I mean, they may need to restart it or something, I dunno [18:53:33] Heya. [18:53:48] I'll be IRC factotum again. [18:53:55] Any questions you have, just shout at me. [18:54:06] morning :) [18:54:14] * marktraceur thinks that will be less helpful in person, James_F [18:58:13] * marktraceur is in *perfect* position to yell most annoyingly at James_F [19:01:20] We'll be starting very soon. [19:01:34] … he says. [19:02:09] that's what my youtube screen says, too [19:02:47] The youtube screen is almost always a lie. I'd never had it start without a page reload. [19:03:03] same here [19:03:11] * JeanFred waves [19:03:18] hey hey :) [19:03:29] I remember it starting without a reload [19:04:18] Oh, zeljkof, I was just reading your watir book at work today :) [19:04:26] OK, countdown starting now. [19:04:38] JeanFred: really? :) I am working on it again [19:04:46] You should get the video soon. [19:04:55] JeanFred: a new release should happen this or the next weekend [19:05:05] zeljkof: \o/ [19:05:11] JeanFred: and I am looking for contributors ;) [19:05:18] reload time [19:05:26] stream just started for me. [19:05:33] it's live! [19:05:35] here you are [19:06:26] seems louder than usual today :-) [19:06:41] [After Gayle, Erik will be doing the monthly report card as normal.] [19:07:04] "Conversion" sounds so... cultish. :-) [19:07:07] zeljkof: well, I’m afraid my watir skills are a bit too green still :) [19:07:15] Coren: Welcome, Brother Coren! [19:07:40] JeanFred: fixing typos/language and stuff is also helpful, the book is on github [19:09:21] When Erik says to take the comscores with a grain of salt, does that mean he thinks they're overcounting? [19:09:57] andrewbogott: They're more volatile than reality, so we're skeptical of short-term changes. [19:10:03] andrewbogott: If that makes sense? [19:10:11] zeljkof: I was reading my parts on GitHub, actually ;) [19:10:19] but the big round number is presumed roughly accurate? [19:10:28] JeanFred: that is most up to date version, [19:10:36] andrewbogott: Ish, yeah. [19:10:43] Next up: Mun May from the Design team talking about Wikimedia's visual direction. [19:13:24] I'm getting really bad reception today :/ [19:15:47] Next up: Maryana is going to demo Flow. [19:17:28] * halfak raises hand [19:17:41] (with streaming delay) [19:17:43] also see: http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Talk:Flow_QA [19:18:03] chrismcmahon: Thanks! [19:18:29] Maryana is demo'ing http://ee-flow.wmflabs.org/wiki/Talk:River_source if you didn't catch it. [19:18:34] I'll provide the URL Maryana is at, but after the meeting (it's an m1-small labs isntanbce) [19:18:38] http://ee-flow.wmflabs.org/wiki/Talk:River_source [19:18:39] beta (as always) is running the master branch, Maryana is showing the bleeding edge [19:18:47] James_F d'oh! please folks not until afterwards [19:19:17] spagewmf: Argh. Sorry. [19:20:22] Any questions? [19:20:23] spagewmf: the link is on the meta page [19:20:28] feel free to DDoS beta, the more the merrier [19:20:46] so no more https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%97%D7%AA_%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%AA%D7%9E%D7%A9:%D7%93%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%AA/%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%9B%D7%99%D7%95%D7%9F60 ? [19:21:08] James_F leading question for Maryana: the buttons look differenw, who made them? [19:21:21] matanya: Ha. No. [19:22:20] James_F ^ can you raise your hand for that one? [19:22:34] spagewmf: Already asked. :-) [19:22:44] gah, motion sickness [19:23:04] ^ yes. Less zoom and pan please. [19:23:23] James_F, links to specific section / post ? [19:23:40] KatieChan: What post? [19:23:56] W00t on Lqt to Flow! [19:23:58] is it possible to link to specific post on the talk page in Flow [19:24:19] +1 on siebrand [19:24:23] KatieChan: Yes - see the link icon on the right of the thread, e.g. http://ee-flow.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:River_source&workflow=050a075f47a334dffb6efa163e68c4ac [19:24:27] siebrand: Indeed. :-) [19:24:45] I have a test wiki in mind... [19:24:46] ;) [19:25:03] KatieChan: there's a link icon in the right-margin that gives you the permalink [19:25:16] yeah, am looking at it now. thanks :) [19:25:44] Next up: Kenan from Mobile talking about mobile new user on-boarding. [19:25:57] River source is nice, will surely help discussions on talk pages!! [19:25:59] BTW the long workflow IDs are because Flow is cross-wiki. Some day you might be able to have a "Board" puling in topics from multiple wikis [19:26:35] so, a personal feed. (some day) [19:27:01] All this complaining about talk pages, but there are people who like talk pages (and hate LiquidThreads). I hope we won't be too alienated. [19:27:50] anomie, for sure. One thing is you can have Talk:River_source/New_ideas subpage that's completely normal page, for better and worse. [19:28:09] anomie, give Flow a spin, you might be surprised [19:28:56] anomie and you can use colons, templates, etc. in posts. Whether anyone can edit someone else's post is an... interesting admin decision [19:29:04] Eloquence: I've heard some impressions from others that Flow's "interface" takes up too much room in the discussion. [19:29:23] anomie: I felt the same. They've reduced the whitespace significantly since the early version. [19:29:26] anomie: collapse controls coming soon, should help. [19:29:38] you can already click on section headers to collapse them too [19:30:14] StevenW: The preview in the talk just now still looked pretty interface-y. Collapsing doesn't sound particularly helpful to me. [19:30:46] Questions for Kenan? [19:31:05] anomie we'll see, feedback welcome. [19:31:56] actually I find the interface load pretty low overall - there's some stuff on the right that I still think could be hidden under a menu (e.g. permalinks) but we should let data inform those decisions [19:32:55] Next up: Jonathan Morgan about capturing movement knowledge. [19:34:01] * anomie measures and sees a one-line reply still takes up an inch of screen space in Flow. [19:35:41] anomie: That's one of my concerns as well. Large amount of whitespace make things more visually appealing, but also more difficult to actually use. I'm hoping that the ability to collapse discussions will solve the majority of this issue. [19:36:51] Getting audio feedback in SF [19:36:56] Can someone mute SF? [19:37:03] ^ [19:37:10] James_F: ^^ [19:37:12] here as well [19:37:29] echo!! [19:37:35] * James_F is asking. [19:37:46] does anyone if Mobile's status update was done? [19:37:54] YuviPanda: Yes. [19:37:59] ah, ok! [19:38:58] YuviPanda: It'll be on YouTube in a bit, but sadly there's no live-scrollback for YouTube streams, I think. [19:39:09] James_F: yeah, I'll just wait for it. thanks! [19:39:35] YuviPanda: you should be able to move youtube slider back [19:39:48] halfak: Better now? [19:39:54] Yes. :) [19:39:57] zeljkof: will try :) [19:39:58] halfak: Good. [19:39:58] Thank you! [19:40:03] yes :) thanks [19:40:05] halfak: Sorry for the issues. [19:40:18] YuviPanda: I do it all the time, you can pause, rewind... :) [19:40:43] Questions for Jonathan? [19:41:04] James_F: he is still talking on youtube :) [19:41:14] As for translations : please use the Translate framework and get the Meta volunteers on board! [19:41:27] JeanFred, already done [19:41:31] zeljkof: Always the way. :-( [19:42:13] Now up: Luis about CC 4.0 in 180 seconds (!). [19:42:14] KatieChan: Does not look this way ? [19:42:31] hmm, let's have a look [19:43:01] I’m a tiny bit burnt with FDC pages completely freaking impossible to translate because of crazy templates all over the place... [19:43:45] But https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants:Learning_patterns/Let_the_Media_Know&action=edit looks pretty straightforward [19:43:50] some of them have been tagged with translation [19:43:53] e.g. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants:Learning_patterns/Gender_identity&action=edit [19:44:00] maybe still working on all of it [19:45:33] Idea: A bot on commons letting users add cc 4.0 on all their old uploads... [19:46:03] KatieChan: I see, you flip a bit in the pattern infobox and it adds it to some category https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Learning_patterns_ready_for_translation [19:46:10] * cscott raises hand [19:46:12] * JeanFred raises his hand about db rights [19:46:35] Ha. [19:46:50] Yeah, it was about five of us here in the office. [19:47:08] It’s on Meta ! [19:47:09] Anyone who can say how many viewers we have "on air"? [19:47:10] It would be nice if the number of online viewers was mentioned in SF. [19:47:14] Quesion: What will happen to existing pages or content that was originally submitted under cc3? Will future revisions be presumed version 4 or remain 3? [19:47:32] (YAM -- yet another metric) [19:47:43] siebrand: :D [19:47:50] andrewbogott: Asked. [19:47:55] * siebrand hugs JeanFred [19:47:59] siebrand: I don't know if we can tell. [19:48:12] siebrand: And cndiv isn't in here to ask. [19:48:21] James_F: It's possible on the broadcaster's account somewhere, IIRC. [19:48:51] thanks! [19:49:19] On Commons we already set up templates for CC4 ; should we have it default in the upload form ? [19:49:34] (like, can we? Is taht safe ?) [19:49:35] JeanFred: Yes! [19:49:58] Ainali: I meant th question for Luis ;), but htnaks for weighing in ;) [19:50:06] :) [19:50:25] JeanFred: Asked. :-) [19:50:30] where in the heck can I find information on what the heck a "Sui Generis Database Rights" actually is? [19:50:53] Some Commonists start wikilawyering in the mode "Is CC-4 really legal ?", an opinion from Legal would help [19:51:08] mwalker: [[Database right]]? [19:51:15] \o/ [19:51:27] No [[Template:CC-by-4.0]] yet on commons [19:51:38] sofixit ;) [19:51:57] Push to have it default ? that can be arranged :) [19:52:07] James_F: possibly; this page is country specific; and I was wondering if they CC had a different interpretation [19:52:10] spagewmf: look better :) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-4.0 [19:52:23] Thanks James_F & Luis ! [19:52:29] Always. :-) [19:53:37] OK, that's the end today. [19:53:40] Thanks everyone. [19:53:51] JeanFred: oh, It auto-completed the Cc-by-sa versions. There's a Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0,2.5,2.0,1.0 , needs more rational nmbers :) [19:54:30] thank you :) [19:54:43] * anomie wants chocolates :( [19:54:44] W00t. Under time. [19:54:46] Thanks :) [19:54:47] Great work. [19:54:52] It alsways cuts at chocolate time :-( [19:55:21] * KTC eats own stash of chocolates [19:55:31] can you send some chocolates here in India??? :D [19:55:42] ctcp the chocoloates! [19:55:47] Yes, we need chocolates here in India! [19:55:48] :) [19:55:53] Thanks everybody ; til next time!