[00:09:11] Ironholds: any news on mozilla meet up? [00:09:16] do it while Pau's here! [00:10:09] violetto, yeah, Boriss has yet to reply. [00:10:12] I'm going to poke her. [00:10:21] Ironholds: ok :) [00:35:17] violetto, what would you think of 10am next Tuesday? [00:36:52] Ironholds: we usually have 10am tuesday design meetings, but if that's the only time they can make it, so be it [00:49:08] violetto, okie-dokes; I shall set it up :) [03:26:16] Hi! In a few minutes, we will have a session here to discuss https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Phabricator [03:30:51] #startmeeting Phabricator Office Hour [03:30:51] Meeting started Tue Apr 22 03:30:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andre__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. [03:30:51] Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. [03:30:51] The meeting name has been set to 'phabricator_office_hour' [03:31:01] I'm going to wait a few more minutes before starting [03:31:12] Put please feel free to already raise your hands if you're here to learn more about Phabricator (or more generally discuss the RFC)! [03:35:31] Alright, let's start [03:35:44] This is the session to discuss https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Phabricator [03:35:53] I am going to start with a quick summary of what has happened so far (basically copying what Guillaume wrote in the last IRC office hour on Thursday), so we are all on the same information level [03:36:15] Please interrupt me as needed! [03:36:43] We have Bugzilla as our issue tracker. Then there is Gerrit for code review (which replaced CodeReview), Jenkins for integrated testing, product managemnet tools like Mingle and Trello, and RT used by the Operations Team. [03:37:00] These are all separate tools in use in our development chain. Some have different purposes (Bugzilla is for bugs and enhancement requests, Gerrit for code review, for example), and some have the same or a very similar use (Trello and Mingle are both Project management/Agile tools) [03:37:17] Around November/December, Guillaume Paumier and I started to facilitate a review process to evaluate if we could decrease the number of tools, to make it easier for everyone and to have less maintenance costs for those smaller tools that connect the tools mentioned above (e.g. we use the bugzilla-hooks plugin for Gerrit to create patch notifications in Bugzilla, and Bingle/Bugello to sync some aspects between Bugzilla and Mingle/Trello) [03:37:33] Many people got involved in this review process, to explain what their needs are, which tools they use, and to evaluate a few options. [03:37:40] The option that seems the most promising is Phabricator, a single tool that handles bug management, code review, and project management, among others. [03:38:02] And there is now a Request for Comment on mediawiki.org to evaluate is Phabricator can indeed meet our needs, and determine if, as a community, we think consolidating all our tools into one is worth the switching costs. The RFC is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Phabricator [03:38:29] There is a test instance of Phabricator at http://fab.wmflabs.org/ . Anyone can create an account and test. One of the goals of this RFC is to determine those missing features. We're tracking them at http://fab.wmflabs.org/T43 [03:38:58] As we are using the Phabricator test instance to do the project management of this RFC (in order to become more familiar with Phabricator), you are very invited to create a ticket in the Phabricator test instance against the project "Wikimedia Phabricator" to describe what you're missing in Phabricator [03:39:13] And that's where we are now. [03:39:22] So much for the quick status summary! [03:40:17] so I don't want this to be a monologue and I hope there are some people around here for this office hour? [03:40:45] Any comments, questions? Has anybody tried Phabricator yet? Please don't be shy and tell me what your experience and opinion is with our current and potential future tools :) [03:41:11] I'm here but I don't have any questions. :) [03:41:30] epriestley: oh hey! Great to see you here & thanks for joining this! :) [03:42:24] we had a session on Thursday already at a time better suited for America and Europe/Africa. This session aims to cover a bit the Asian timezones, but it's an experiment obviously :) [03:43:05] Yeah, I caught this one in a tweet and figured I'd swing by. [03:43:38] Thanks! [03:43:58] (for those interested in the log of the last IRC session, it's at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2014-04-17 ) [03:45:10] Hmm, nobody else around here today, or just that all questions were already answered by guillom last Thursday? :) [03:48:22] Whouh. Oh well... [03:48:23] But I will still be around here for the next 40min in case that somebody has some thoughts or input. [04:21:27] 10 more minutes, for those being shy. [04:30:27] Alright, if nobody has any questions, I guess that's it for today. [04:30:50] #endmeeting [04:30:51] Meeting ended Tue Apr 22 04:30:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . 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