[08:10:07] Hello? is anyone there? [08:10:40] o/ [08:10:46] ? [08:11:52] demi: I was waving [08:12:05] Oh. Hello [08:12:25] i want to get information about adding some information to a page but they get deleted. Can you help me with that? [08:13:34] demi: Sorry I dont! quiddity usually knows everything, I wonder if he is up… [08:13:45] demi: go to #wikipedia-en-help [08:14:10] I tried. but the people there are so rude. and told me to fuck off, so i didn't wanna make a problem [08:14:20] Specially Huon [08:14:32] well, either way this channel isn't the right place for it [08:15:03] Alright, i see. But thanks anyways :) [08:15:36] demi: and I doubt you were told to literally "fuck off" [08:15:43] unless they really needed to [08:16:23] Well i asked why my edits were deleted and said they sources i tried to get info from them why its not reliable but told me to fuck of [08:16:33] And i swear [08:17:26] anyways [08:17:33] Jasper_Deng: Oh, I thought we were talking about the internal one [08:17:44] a quick search of my log indicated nothing along those lines [08:17:44] sorry [08:18:00] Search with the name of HRH not demi [08:18:35] when was that? [08:19:53] April 24th or April 25th [08:20:15] between april 24th and 26th [08:27:37] demi I searched all of 25 April and found nothing [08:27:41] searching 24 April but not optimistic [08:30:26] ok I found something [08:30:35] and I do not see him telling you to "fuck off" [08:30:49] demi: and really we should not be discussing this in here [08:39:11] demi: I think the advice he gave you was reasonable [08:39:41] ok thanks probably not huon who told me to fuck off. but he is still rude. but i respect his work [08:40:08] I see /no-one/ saying "fuck off" [08:40:26] what you probably mistook for that is probably because I could see that you weren't taking our advice [08:41:08] i did. but i was trying to discuss it with him kindly and he refused. [08:41:23] i then read the policy and understood exactly what he was talking about [08:42:07] He or other member were threatening me saying they will revoke everything i do without even explaining to me the exact problem or show me any of the written policy [08:42:07] He did not explicitly say he was refusing to /talk to you/ [08:42:11] but more that you weren't listening [08:43:17] I wasn't listening because he didn't lead me to a written down policy where i can believe what he says after he threatened to revoke stuff and unneeded words [08:43:35] well, everything he said was written policy [08:43:53] Then why he didn't lead me to that? [08:44:09] the channel operates on the principle that you enter ready to follow instructions [08:44:32] regardless of how they are formulated, including without links to policies [08:44:43] I notice you did not ask for links to those policies when you had the chance to [08:44:52] When i enter i understand that i need to ask why and if they said not a reliable source, they should further explain to me why not a reliable source [08:45:14] you didn't ask [08:45:22] I did ask and i swear to god that i did ask him "show me where is written" but he never listened to me [08:45:31] didn't see that in the log [08:46:00] Check the log of user HRH (my log) and you will see everything exactly [08:46:12] there was other admins than huon [08:47:03] in my log I see you said " I've been working at the office and trying out to find any reliable sources but it's just impossible." [08:47:18] that doesn't agree with what you're telling me now [08:47:42] = That its impossible for gossip sites to write down about that person [08:50:35] I'm looking further back in my log [08:50:39] I still see nothing along those lines [17:35:48] Good morning :) [17:38:54] cdeubner3: ready for testing [17:39:08] check [17:54:41] We should have hors d'oeuvres. :/ [17:55:17] at least you aren't playing that "on hold" music.... [17:55:19] Hello everyone. [17:55:38] * Keegan snickers [17:55:47] hello [17:56:06] The music right now is a bit silly [17:56:10] Hi all [17:56:12] It's adorable. [17:56:16] there's music? [17:56:20] I've never been in a lift (elevator) for 100. [17:56:22] * Risker must be in the wrong channel... [17:56:50] If they ever get Wonkavision on the internet, I will spring for three dozen of Krispy Kreme's finest, first come, first served. [17:57:08] is there a link yet? [17:57:24] Hello, ori. I've been here a while and haven't seen it yet. :) [17:57:33] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I19PJntVaXo is the youtube [17:57:49] * Keegan sits down next to Risker [17:57:52] And now I have.... [17:58:05] Risker, you get the first of my imaginary donuts. [17:58:25] ooooh fantasy donuts. I like that, Maggie_Dennis [17:58:38] hi Risker, Maggie_Dennis [17:58:51] greetings ori :) [17:58:54] * aude waves [18:00:15] * guillom waves. [18:00:40] * anomie particles [18:00:47] * James_F dualities. [18:00:54] a little light humor? [18:01:03] * Risker groans [18:01:43] * greg-g waves to mindspillage [18:01:46] mindspillage: Out, you. :-P [18:01:49] no feed yet? [18:02:02] I mean, not going yet? [18:02:05] hey, greg-g. :-) [18:02:11] greg-g: Not yet. [18:02:19] * greg-g nods [18:02:28] Morning/timezone appropriate greeting friends [18:02:29] * jvreede hands Jorm a dollar [18:02:55] * milimetric standing by very hard [18:03:08] Starting very soon. [18:03:12] Hey, everybody [18:03:13] Live… now. [18:03:17] hey superm401 [18:03:27] hey everyone! [18:03:30] James_F post the link again? [18:03:33] hi rachel! [18:03:33] James_F, not live here yet? [18:03:38] not for me [18:03:38] * chrismcphone is IRC only [18:03:41] I have VaXo [18:03:42] Lice? [18:03:43] Still standing by [18:03:46] J-Mo: http://youtu.be/I19PJntVaXo [18:03:46] there, refreshed [18:03:48] Live!!? that is :) [18:03:49] thx [18:03:56] And we're in [18:04:02] whoa new camera angle [18:04:22] awjr: Yeah, off to the left today. [18:04:29] Audio working for everyone? [18:04:37] works fine in the office [18:04:38] perfect here [18:04:43] It is now, but I missed the open, and I suspect others might have. [18:04:45] yup yup [18:04:57] Maggie_Dennis: you can go back, but you'll be delayed then :/ [18:05:00] OK. There wasn't much of an opening. [18:05:00] I didn't even have to reload for it to start, for the first time :) [18:05:19] Sue''s email...only sent to staff? Will everyone else get it too? [18:05:22] greg-g, I'll try to just figure it out. :) [18:05:27] Looking forward to figuring out what stickhandle means [18:05:28] mmmm.... lunch :) [18:05:32] Sue, don't assume everyone is on the staff list! ;-) [18:05:33] superm401: I don't know either. [18:05:34] Risker: Everyone will get a slightly different email [18:05:36] Risker: yes, i think there's a formal announcement email later today [18:05:39] superm401: And apparently I'm doing it. [18:05:44] risker: yes in a minute [18:05:48] Risker: makes sense for staff to hear about it first ;) [18:05:59] jvreede: Careful you don't get scooped. :-) [18:05:59] Sound is really good, I must say. [18:06:06] well, I'm okay with that...but the metrics meeting isn't a staff meeting is it? [18:06:13] it's a public meeting [18:06:16] andre__: Thanks for the feedback. [18:06:19] Risker, yep [18:06:19] andre__: good to hear :-) [18:06:26] Risker: Metrics is the only staff meeting. [18:06:35] Risker: We're a transparent bunch. :-) [18:06:41] risker: we always introduce new staff at metrics meeting [18:06:41] Risker, I think of it as both. :) [18:06:47] Announcement will go out shortly :) [18:07:15] well, it would be nicei f she bothered to mention the name [18:07:17] at least [18:07:22] just missed the beginning, are we looking at the new ED? [18:07:24] Lila… something [18:07:30] Can we at least have the name?! :) [18:07:36] lila tretikov [18:07:37] Risker: I'm sure she'll get to it after the history [18:07:37] Lila Tretikov [18:07:38] give it a second :) she's giving background on the search [18:07:39] +1 [18:07:42] thank you [18:07:47] Hey Phoebe [18:07:52] :) [18:07:55] * greg-g waves to brassratgirl :) [18:07:56] * Philippe waves [18:08:02] such a good day y'all :) [18:08:04] Formerly of SugarCRM, appointment will be effective June 1. [18:08:09] Risker: there will be a public announcement from Jan-Bart coming shortly. [18:08:12] Shockingly huge turn out today. Almost like people knew something. :-) [18:08:19] :) [18:08:21] hooray! [18:08:22] James_F: I have no idea what you mean! :) [18:08:25] * James_F grins. [18:08:39] I have a Q for Lila if there is a queue. [18:08:50] (For those new/unused to this, I'm happy to proxy questions… ha, yes Coren, ask!) [18:08:51] Coren, there will be shortly - just lila&sue talking for now :) [18:08:55] James_F, greg-g et al, I am there in the office in spirit with you all [18:09:01] brassratgirl: *hugs* [18:09:14] I'm so glad we have a new ED. [18:09:15] Eloquence_: I know, I'm just raising my hand in advance. :-) [18:09:16] brassratgirl: I'm in Petaluma in spirit with your spirit in the office ;) [18:09:23] James_F: hugs back :) [18:10:28] Bence: I'm not sure anyone actually answered you, but yes :) [18:10:29] brassratgirl and I have spent the past several months talking to each other about everything that could possibly go wrong before this announcement and we're glad than none of it happened. :-) [18:10:43] Hi! Welcome Lila! [18:10:49] mindspillage: ever to optimist! :) [18:10:54] ever THE optimist! :) [18:11:01] fuzheado: yep! [18:11:03] fuzheado: we had to be :) [18:11:10] Still no confirmation on https://twitter.com/lilatretikov :) [18:11:13] mindspillage: what? something could have gone wrong? [18:11:28] \o/ [18:11:30] marcoil: she's literally sitting on stage right now :) all our announcements etc are coming soon [18:11:33] none, clearly [18:11:36] 1500 people!? [18:11:43] Mutually assured googling [18:11:43] rfarrand: yep [18:11:46] marcoil: so then its not true I guess [18:11:47] wow. [18:11:56] rfarrand: I missed - what is 1500 people? [18:12:02] rfarrand: obv we did not interview all 1500, but yes [18:12:03] brassratgirl: I know, it was for what Sue said about everyone having googled her :) [18:12:03] Is that the YouTube? [18:12:05] sumanah: people who applied, I think. [18:12:06] sumanah: the # of resumes that came in, presumably [18:12:19] Audio/Video comments, please send to James_F [18:12:37] sumanah: yeah, number of applicants I guess [18:12:45] ah, so WMF doesn't have 1500 employees suddenly. Phou. [18:12:50] :P [18:12:58] andre__: Hopefully not. :-) [18:13:58] "yet" ;) [18:14:03] "information like air, wants to be free" [18:14:15] +2 [18:14:49] rfarrand: spoilers! (irc is way faster than youtube :) [18:15:04] actually rfarrand typed that right as I saw it on youtube [18:15:06] she *gets* how important free flow of information is [18:15:12] :) [18:15:35] QUEENS REPRESENT [18:16:09] heh, Sunnyside is the best side [18:16:18] Is Queens related to Berkley? [18:16:38] HappyPanda: Well, like Lila, I have lived in Queens, NY, and I attended UC Berkeley [18:16:40] HappyPanda, Queens is part of NYC [18:16:42] other than that, no [18:16:46] sumanah: aaah, I missed that part [18:16:48] Berkeley is in California [18:17:21] sumanah: yah! :P [18:17:21] HappyPanda: if you come to NYC I shall show you fun bits of Queens [18:17:31] sumanah: {{cn}} :-) [18:17:35] sumanah: I shall! SOOOON! [18:17:43] HappyPanda: then I'll show you an even funner part of Queens [18:17:51] :P [18:17:52] haha [18:18:28] dog wanders around the stage to draw attention away [18:18:39] Jamesofur: No baby? [18:18:44] not yet! [18:18:49] don't count it out! [18:18:52] Didn't anyone bring their baby? :P [18:18:54] I'm glad to hear about so much of her experience [18:19:09] and that she has a silly side [18:19:50] multichill: mine's outside in the sun and dirt :) [18:20:05] sumanah: She should come to the hackathon next week1 [18:20:12] she is multichill [18:20:14] multichill: he is [18:20:15] *she [18:20:16] that would be great! [18:20:17] multichill: sumanah they mentioned that she is [18:20:17] yes! [18:20:18] oops [18:20:19] jinx [18:20:19] She is. [18:20:33] nice [18:20:34] er, that will be great. [18:20:34] Ah, nice. [18:20:36] 62 viewers, btw. New record. [18:20:45] * Coren claps. [18:20:52] did she say that she will be having 1v1s with ALL staff??? [18:20:53] lost audio :( [18:20:56] * milimetric claps [18:21:01] rfarrand, yep. [18:21:01] cndiv: Show up or get fired? ;-) [18:21:01] cscott: anyone else have this problem? [18:21:06] we should totally help her solve a small bug, if she hasn't already [18:21:09] rfarrand: Over the next couple months, yeah. [18:21:11] Still have audio [18:21:12] rfarrand, now we know what she will be doing for the first year. :) [18:21:14] Coren: wow [18:21:18] multichill: Lots of non-staff here too. :-) [18:21:19] I have not! [18:21:23] cndiv: perfect audio [18:21:32] I still have audio. [18:21:36] anyone having problems, try refreshing the youtube page [18:21:37] superm401, marcoil, cndiv: ok, i'm just cursed then. never mind. [18:21:45] * multichill thanks rfarrand for dragging me into a useful meeting yet again [18:21:53] cscott, I assume you refreshed? [18:21:54] multichill :) [18:22:27] "I don't eat babies... yet!" [18:22:29] :) [18:22:30] mindspillage: good metric to judge by: baby eating [18:22:32] lol [18:22:36] she did *not* say yet [18:22:37] lol [18:22:38] Our only litmus test [18:22:44] omg I bet the background check was so huge [18:22:51] “yeah but they were BAD babies” [18:22:58] wait… Aren't we supposed to eat babies? Nobody asked about that in my interviews! [18:23:15] greg-g: it's one of the few bright lines we have here... I think. Unless they were BAD babies. [18:23:21] More questions just shout. [18:23:32] :( [18:23:39] Good q : James_F [18:23:47] haha!! [18:23:49] coren: she's going to the Zurich hackathon and Wikimania [18:23:49] James_F: do you want to ask her if she's going to start eating babies now that she's here? [18:23:59] James_F: I want to know what she's edited/contributed on the projects :) [18:24:00] oh cool. looking forward to meet then ! [18:24:01] booo :( [18:24:08] James? [18:24:13] HappyPanda: I think we can assume she isn't going to do that. :-) [18:24:18] James_F: :D [18:24:19] lol [18:24:24] Good question passed by James. [18:24:27] sumanah: Sure, next up. [18:24:36] and was hoping for a couple of days off before she starts on June 1 [18:24:44] Sorry for the early hardball, Lila. [18:24:45] and the wikiconf is over June 1 [18:25:10] (for whoever asked the wikiconf question) [18:25:11] hardball? [18:25:19] chrismcphone, the open source question. [18:25:19] he, do we ever play anything else ? :D [18:25:32] Was pondering asking the same. [18:25:38] no apologies. [18:25:40] ditto [18:26:01] we asked her the same question in the interviews, it's not a surprise q :) [18:26:06] I thought it was announced in 2013? [18:26:16] When Sugar 7 was released without the FOSS [18:26:41] superm401, Lila had a similarly long exit transition at Sugar as Sue at WMF [18:27:00] superm401: She ay have been mentioning the much more recent announcement that they would not be doing the CE for 7 at all (originally it was a 'not now' ) [18:27:22] ahhh and possibly what Erik said too :) [18:27:32] James_F: Maybe time for an easy question? Did she ever edit Wikipedia? ;-) [18:27:47] multichill: It's in the queue. [18:27:52] ^^ good question :D [18:28:09] keep in mind Sue hadn't :) [18:28:30] milimetric: correct, and now she edits Sue on the weekends like the rest of us :) [18:28:38] James_F: So yeah, seems flying unicorns can be found. :-) [18:28:39] er, she edits *wikipedia* on the weekends [18:28:50] brassratgirl, lol [18:28:52] James_F, followup question: Did you play any role in moving from a custom license to a standard open source license? [18:28:54] lol [18:29:00] edits sue ;) [18:29:05] Editing Sue would be amusing. :-) [18:29:06] we all edit sue! [18:29:06] superm401: I can ask but this might not be the best venue? [18:29:11] James_F: A question: Since Lila has a more technical background than Sue, does she expect to be more involved in Tech/Product decisions compared to Sue, or will she mostly focus on executive management? [18:29:19] James_F: can you ask about her experiences with Remote employees and what her thoughts are on mixing a primary single spot (SF) + multiple remote folks? [18:29:19] sue has been edited enough throughout the years... [18:29:26] James_F, you can skip it if you want. [18:29:32] James_F: If you could sing the question on the melody of God Save The Queen, that would be great, too :) [18:29:36] James_F: +1 to guillom 's q [18:29:40] ++ [18:29:49] +1 to guillom's [18:29:52] guillom: No singing. :-) [18:29:58] James_F: Alright :) [18:30:01] HappyPanda: good question about remotes [18:30:03] LOL [18:30:06] + to giullom, and thats an order ;) [18:30:12] * Coren +2 guillom's questions and merges. [18:30:22] well now James_F has no choice jvreede has demanded it [18:30:47] jvreede: As you well know, I take instruction from the ED; the Board en banc can only direct the ED, not individual staff. ;-P [18:30:49] I’ll call on JamesF for guillom’s question next [18:30:50] (one of my few really influential decisions ;), although James canstill call Code of Conduct and deny) [18:31:02] * James_F grins. [18:31:03] I'd like to +2 HappyPanda's question about remote employees [18:31:07] Sure. [18:31:13] +3 for Yuvi's too [18:31:16] * Elitre waves happily [18:31:24] Yeah, it's on the list. :-) [18:31:25] (The remote cabal has spoken.) [18:31:29] james_F: in such times of turmoil, you have to take order where you can get them [18:31:30] Elitre: ! [18:31:32] I’m going back to letting JamesF figure this out… :) [18:31:39] :-D [18:31:41] "Lila studied computer science and design at UC Berkeley and Lomonosov Moscow University." omg I am really curious what it would be like to pair program with her in Zurich :) [18:31:45] +2 on the remote folks question as well :) [18:32:03] who is talking now? [18:32:07] lila [18:32:15] oh brandon harris [18:32:15] who is lila? [18:32:21] :) [18:32:21] dedalus_: New ED [18:32:23] Lila is our new ED :) [18:32:24] lila = new ED [18:32:32] lila who? [18:32:37] tretikov [18:32:43] the question was asked by Brandon Harris though if that's what you were wondering [18:32:45] thanks jvreede [18:32:47] dedalus_: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2014-May/071458.html [18:33:02] [18:33:18] Hi, Elitre. :) [18:34:14] She's a bitten newbie. [18:34:25] almost better than an editor I think [18:34:31] Agreed. [18:34:38] milimetric: yes [18:34:39] Yeah, she's one of our target audience [18:34:43] +1 to dogfooding. [18:34:53] * James_F doesn't feel any pressure re. VisualEditor for Lila. Oh no. ;-) [18:35:02] :) [18:35:05] :) [18:35:16] * HappyPanda wonders if the remote question is gonna be asked [18:35:26] which? [18:35:29] +2 for HappyPanda's question, James_F ^ [18:35:35] I will try - I’m trying to alternate between in room and remote, and also - we’ve only got 5 more mins [18:35:37] HappyPanda: I'm waiting for the mike back. [18:35:40] greg-g: James_F: can you ask about her experiences with Remote employees and what her thoughts are on mixing a primary single spot (SF) + multiple remote folks? [18:35:44] The people on-site also have questions. :-) [18:35:45] James_F: whee [18:35:50] MissGayle: ty [18:35:53] +3 to that question [18:35:57] SEVEN NINES SLAs. [18:36:02] That's a lot, right? [18:36:02] +4 [18:36:13] seven nines is ... silly high :) [18:36:14] it's actually +5 :D [18:36:15] +aleph null to the remotie question. :-) [18:36:16] sumanah: we don't talk about 9s here :P [18:36:16] Seven 9's. Wow, engineering and ops will also not be feeling any pressure. ;) [18:36:21] Coren: Admittedly, the on-site people will have more opportunities to ask their questions :) [18:36:23] We have one 8. ;) [18:36:27] Just kidding [18:36:28] lol [18:36:36] that's 3 seconds of downtime per year [18:36:44] we're working on the syntax aspect ;) [18:36:51] mwalker: 3 seconds too much. [18:36:59] mwalker: 3 seconds of /unplanned/ downtime. :-) [18:37:06] greg-g: I am currently dressed to the nines, is that ok? :) [18:37:10] 3 seconds "unplanned" downtime [18:37:29] *Finally* [18:37:38] sumanah: I feel a little out classes since I'm in a t-shirt and shorts, but ok :) [18:37:43] I always said that we keep neglecting that readers are our most important users. [18:37:43] bd808: good point [18:38:06] greg-g: the beard adds some style points though [18:38:07] It's totally achievable given enough $$$$ [18:38:08] Coren, we're always going to need to focus on both the people doing the work and the people reading the work. [18:38:13] Coren: if it helps, we're not ignoring them, they're just a lot harder to gather information about [18:38:21] Coren, i'm not sure there's that much separation. :) I think most of our editors *are* readers, and most of our editors certainly *start* as readers. [18:38:25] rfarrand: :) :) [18:38:26] I think the boundaries are pretty permeable. [18:38:38] Maggie_Dennis, but most readers never even consider working on the sites. [18:38:40] Maggie_Dennis: The boundary may be, the scale not so much. [18:38:46]