[16:59:27] Good morning [16:59:33] Is the office hour starting? [16:59:39] Hi Pine! [16:59:48] Congrats, too :) [16:59:52] Hi marktraceur [16:59:59] Oh thank you :) [17:00:34] Pine: Starts in one hour [17:00:40] 18:00 UTC [17:00:48] is "Lila's response to FDC Advisory Group recommendations" backed here? [17:00:56] Not scheduled. [17:00:57] I could swear my calendar said 9 AM Pacific [17:01:04] this one [17:01:05] https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cpvk7t3gm1gma466ufhvlb8s1jc [17:01:11] marktraceur: Nov 3 at 17:00 UTC my calender says [17:01:23] I hate time zones [17:01:49] FFS, did someone fail to schedule an office hour AGAIN. [17:02:03] But then again, I don't even see that on my calendar [17:02:30] marktraceur: it is now [17:02:51] Um, I can see it on other WMF people's calendars [17:02:53] It says 9 am [17:03:13] I see "FDC meeting" [17:03:19] That's it [17:03:29] It doesn't look public [17:03:34] It says "IRC" in the hangout title [17:03:38] But....that's all I have [17:03:47] ? [17:03:54] did the meeting start? [17:03:59] There is even a public youtube feed [17:04:00] anybody has hangout/youtube links? [17:04:12] Yes, from Lila's public email [17:04:13] It's working for me, hold on for links [17:04:25] The Youtube stream is here: [17:04:44] http://youtu.be/J-RYwNFXBfg [17:04:44] http://youtu.be/J-RYwNFXBfg [17:04:44] Ah, I see, I need to enable Flash [17:04:44] :) [17:04:44] That's stream link, working for me. Refresh if you're having trouble. [17:04:46] Whoever scheduled this has a big pile of "schedule your damn meetings" coming their way [17:04:51] OK, I'm off to get flash [17:05:05] gl Pine [17:05:14] thanks [17:05:32] Working for everyone now? [17:05:35] Does someone want to change the chan topic? [17:05:45] Good morning heatherw [17:05:52] hi [17:05:57] Good morning janstee [17:09:24] Was anyone trying to watch the video? [17:11:25] cndiv: can you please link to the hangout ? [17:12:19] or ping me [17:16:15] Everyone katy just mentioned shold have a google invite [17:16:55] *should [17:16:55] That's right--please let me know if you have any questions. [17:17:13] KatyLove: Do you foresee this meeting going over at all? rfarrand kindly scheduled her office hour for 18:00 UTC. [17:17:20] No, I am aware of that. Thank you marktraceur [17:17:25] Coolio. [17:17:33] We also have a good collection of questions on the Meta talk page [17:18:17] KatyLove: sorry I am popping in and out. Will the qs on the talk page be addressed after the meeting or during? [17:20:37] We've seen the questions, @Pine [17:20:42] REsponses forthcoming to those [17:20:57] After the meeting is fine, just wondering what the timeline is :) [17:20:59] Thanks [17:22:47] BTW is Illario in this chan somewhere? [17:22:47] * Pine would like to talk with him [17:24:24] OK thank you Lila. :) [17:25:44] We talk a lot about evaluation and impact, but are we sure to know what impact really means in our order of magnitude? Is impact brand recognition for example? To what extent? eg. let's say X % of people know what Wikipedia is. What's impact? That they do? That they do but also know that it's free? That they do but also know that it's free as in beer? Etc. [17:26:10] janstee: this sounds like an L&E question ^ [17:27:32] Hi Poore5 ! [17:27:38] hi [17:27:49] My question I guess is: what does impact mean and how can we research what it really means? [17:27:52] Hi Poore5 [17:28:13] Another question for janstee perhaps? ^ [17:28:25] oh ok, Katy is picking those up [17:28:38] Yes it is. [17:28:42] ok, all those invited just got another invite, and the link https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcbtSygNZg33Kf9ozbWwqbRCa2zGxsBCZi3CgKb0DgKsG6XfQ?authuser=0&hl=en [17:28:43] should work [17:28:58] except for nicole.ebber, didn't see you in time. [17:29:06] KatyLove: please read my followup ;) [17:29:08] will add when I can [17:30:19] @Pine Impact should be defined by the outcome goals, this conversation is intended to discuss what those outcome goals might be for different movement stakeholder. [17:30:19] I see it delphine [17:30:29] thanks janstee [17:30:41] KatyLove: thanks, just making sure. It's fine, I just didn't want Lila to focus on the example ;) [17:30:51] got it delphine [17:32:25] merci :) [17:34:40] By the way, if wethink of mentoring programs like OPW and GSOC as mutual non-monetary support, then non-monetary support can also happen on the tech side of WMF [17:35:38] And I am happy to take input about said toolkits around Learning Patterns, which I'm working on :) [17:38:36] See also Erik's discussion about GLAM tools, there's a thread about that floating around somewhere on the mailing lists [17:39:22] I gave a presentation on "Why does WIkimedia need money when we have volunteers" in DC ;) [17:53:13] um [17:53:28] rfarrand: this is not a tech talk right now [17:53:44] We are in the middle of discussing APGs with Lila, Anasuya, and Katy [17:54:23] Huh, ok, I think I reserved it [17:54:35] one sec [17:54:36] This will be done in 5 minutes [17:54:56] And yes, apparently no one reserved the chan for Lila's office hour [17:55:06] Yes it will end in 5 minutes [17:55:09] Thanks--I am aware :) [17:55:34] bureaucracy ;) [17:56:35] This is taking plaec on the Youtube stream [17:56:42] matanya: I would like to talk with you after the office hour. Can we set up a time via email? [17:56:43] questions coming in here too [17:56:55] Ah, OK - sorry about that. I did not realize anything else was going on it here (no channel topic and not chnnel reservation). I will be quite until 1600 UTC (4 min). [17:56:56] Pine: as always [17:57:01] Thanks :) [18:00:09] thanks all--no more quesitons here [18:00:16] Over to you Rachel for yous [18:00:31] The talk page is open for discussion, though. :) [18:00:34] Thanks! [18:00:57] Starting the Tech Talk: The MediaWiki Content Translation Extension in 2 min [18:01:03] please ping me with questions [18:02:43] starting [18:04:32] bd808 can see the stream - let me know if there are any image or sound issues [18:04:52] wfm too [18:04:57] great [18:17:09] 10 viewers - please ping me with questions [18:30:40] questions? [18:31:12] last chance? [18:31:44] thanks :) [18:32:10] thanks! [18:32:18] Good overview. Thanks [18:32:42] :) [18:33:39] tech talk over [19:12:47] jsahleen, rfarrand i couldn't make it to the live talk .. thanks for the talk and recording .. nice overview of CX. [19:13:16] subbu: glad you were able to watch subbu :) [19:14:36] subbu: Thanks for watching. Let me know if there is anything else you would like to know about CX. :) [19:16:12] will do. [19:16:51] didn't know it was also largely nodejs. [19:17:53] jsahleen, how are you picking cx engines for language pairs? [19:18:13] i.e. what are the criteria for it? [19:21:40] subbu: we are working out the criteria for choosing language pairs. do you mean machine translation engines? [19:21:50] yes. [19:22:48] We chose Apertium first because it is free and supported the initial languages well. We are exploring other MT providers for other languages. [19:24:05] free as in free translation service or as in licencing of source code? [19:24:18] Both. :) [19:24:40] We have our our instance set up as a service in beta now. [19:24:41] ok. [19:25:09] The plan is to ultimately put cx service on the service cluster, I believe. [19:26:45] ok. I suppose MT itself will be external services that you call out to? [19:29:53] We are still talking about that. The Apertium MT service is internal and will also be on the service cluster. For the other (e.g., Google, Bing, etc.) there is a lot of legal/community/technical stuff that needs to be worked out. [19:30:18] ok. makes seense. [22:11:56] moizsyed Cctnjf #wikimedia-overflow [22:25:00] subbu = Krinkle [22:25:09] Zurzakje, ? [22:25:16] Krinkle, ? [22:25:24] subbu != Krinkle :) [22:25:47] no, Zurzakje [22:26:09] Oh sorry p [22:27:11] Cannot assign to read only property 'subbu' of # [22:27:22] At last Timos [22:27:24] * Timo [22:30:33] Have some in common Krinkle & Tintle , subbu ? [22:30:49] (sufix -le) [22:30:54] Some more? [22:45:55] Helder is Krinkle [22:47:02] nope [22:47:09] Helder is Helder [22:51:03] lol [22:51:05] Christ [22:51:45] Cheers, Geo