[19:34:09] Another month, another metrics. :) [19:34:09] Is James_F the IRCzar again? [19:34:09] Hi everyone, we'll be starting the meeting in a few minutes [19:34:09] marktraceur: wasn't that just chaned to q based ? [19:34:09] Was it? [19:34:09] didn't Eloquence annouce that ? [19:34:09] For reports, nothing about meetings I think [19:34:09] i see [19:34:10] James_F is presenting, so I'm IRCing [19:34:10] We uh, we'll see how it goes :) [19:34:10] rdaiccherlb: Welcome to the party [19:34:10] * molliug waves [19:34:10] * rdaiccherlb gets her party hat [19:34:10] IRC during metrics is always the place to be. :) [19:34:10] cndiv: You got the date backwards on the youtube video title btw. :P [19:34:10] * marktraceur twiddles thumbs [19:34:10] always use YYYY-MM-DD, it’s the wonly thing that sorts correctly ;) [19:34:10] waiting for stream to start [19:34:10] +1 to brion and ISODate [19:34:11] Obligatory xkcd link -- https://xkcd.com/1179/ [19:34:11] * Pine tosses a paper airplane to marktraceur [19:34:11] did I get the time right, metrics meeting is now? [19:34:11] zeljkof: yes [19:34:11] zeljkof yup [19:34:11] You're in it, zeljkof :) [19:34:11] thanks Pine and rfarrand, I just looove DST ;) [19:34:11] standing by... [19:34:11] thanks rdaiccherlb [19:34:11] rdaiccherlb: Hi! Did you get my updated list of links? [19:34:11] I did guillom, thank you! [19:34:11] rdaiccherlb: FYI looks like Labs is still down, so those links won't work for now [19:34:11] Good to know [19:34:11] why did the calendar invite change? [19:34:11] WhenChanged: Mon Nov 10, 2014 12pm – 1pm Pacific Time [19:34:11] greg-g: I think that was a mistake [19:34:11] * greg-g nods [19:34:11] greg-g: I think it got moved accidentally. [19:34:11] James_F: we get to edit tables in VE? [19:34:11] Just go by Praveena's invitations [19:34:11] Pine: Of course. :-) [19:34:11] It's Welcome time! [19:34:11] rdaiccherlb: I still have no video [19:34:11] ... still waits for stream [19:34:11] marktraceur: I did it in 'merican [19:34:11] it's on it's way [19:34:11] Shaaame. [19:34:11] Huzzah [19:34:11] * marktraceur haves video [19:34:11] still nothing here [19:34:11] Erik is introducing (video is up) [19:34:11] we missed the welcomes :/ [19:34:11] oh, there! [19:34:11] * Pine waves per Gayle [19:34:11] refresh if you're having issues [19:34:11] should work [19:34:11] i have video [19:34:11] (re)Welcome everybody. [19:34:11] why are there two dans? [19:34:11] Ah welcomes link https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/1Gc4TFmHUSKItrdTys39Z6rOqrO77ZqetDfgdFqIYFdk/edit#slide=id.p [19:34:11] waving doesn't work so good for remoties [19:34:11] greg-g: All the better to see you with, my dear [19:34:11] I'm perfectly fine with having two Dans. [19:34:11] Lila is discussing the strategy process [19:34:11] * guillom hugs Elitre. [19:34:11] video for all now? [19:34:11] two Deskanas [19:34:11] Hi Elitre *hug* [19:34:11] I have 3D video! [19:34:11] guillom: not when everybody is watching! /me blushes [19:34:11] cndiv: I think so [19:34:11] sweet [19:34:11] kim or quim? [19:34:11] kim [19:34:12] What mailing list were Lilas mail sent to? [19:34:12] Ainali: Staff list. [19:34:12] Ah, so "all of you" was not aimed for Youtubube viewers :) [19:34:12] * matanya claps! [19:34:12] Ainali: Most of the remote staff are YouTube viewers too. :-) [19:34:12] Don't forget Aaron, Brad, Bryan, and others [19:34:12] Pine, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor:Tables!?oldid=1252845&veaction=edit [19:34:12] re HHVM [19:34:12] Ainali: yes, I'm hoping there will be a public email soon about the strategy [19:34:12] edsanders: thanks, I'll look later [19:34:12] greg-g: Meh. It's all been a team sport. [19:34:12] edsanders: Don't spoil my thunder. [19:34:12] :-) [19:34:12] Really happy to see the entiure team who worked on HHVM! [19:34:12] *entire* [19:34:12] greg-g: But the folks on the slide have worked longer and harder [19:34:12] James_F: we're too excited about that, we won't apologize :) [19:34:12] Kim Gilbey is going to discuss the Strategy project some more [19:34:12] bd808: /me likes being inclusive [19:34:12] SO MUCH DAN [19:34:12] hah [19:34:12] Would you prefer we hide table editing under a black cloth labelled "PROJECT X"? [19:34:12] Is Kim one of the people who presented that one time at all-staff with personas taken from Star Wars? [19:34:12] If you hear random banging off-camera in the feed, that's the building people trying to fix the elevators. Sorry for the noise. [19:34:13] guillom: Yes. [19:34:13] ok; thanks :) [19:34:13] James_F,oOr maybe in a freight container on a barge in the Bay? [19:34:13] * qgil says "phew!" -- good luck Kim! :) [19:34:13] edsanders: no, I would prefer that table editing be lit up with a spotlight. Easier table editing has been a long-term need. [19:34:13] Indeed. [19:34:13] More to come. :-) [19:34:13] yeah but you need a hype man to come on before you reveal it [19:34:13] I'm happy for Eloquence to be my hype man enough. :-) [19:34:13] I nominate both Dans to be the hype men. [19:34:15] Hype * person, surely? Sexed language is unhelpful. [19:34:15] :) [19:34:15] under-promise, over-deliver. "we've got sortof a basic way to do some totally rudimentary things with tables ..." [19:34:15] rdaiccherlb can be cloned and hype too [19:34:15] ARE YOU READY!? [19:34:15] FOR MOOOOOOOOOOOOOBILE AAAAAAAAAAAAAPPS [19:34:15] I am! [19:34:16] Eloquence_mm: Bingo. [19:34:16] No [19:34:16] no. [19:34:16] Not me. [19:34:16] No? [19:34:16] Deskana: Sorry. ;-) [19:34:16] James_F: :( [19:34:16] matanya: Follower [19:34:16] For anyone who's ever done a SWOT analysis, we're finishing up staff input by tomorrow [19:34:17] marktraceur: as user #1 i'm proud to say YES! [19:34:17] I have a question about the strategy process. Will the community get an email about this kickoff soon? [19:34:17] (of the mobile app of course) [19:34:17] cndiv: there's no way to hide the faces, right? the dans are blocking part of the slides :/ [19:34:17] Argh [19:34:17] Pine - there will be notifications yes [19:34:17] good thanks [19:34:18] SWOT !== SWAT [19:34:18] That's so confusing [19:34:18] * Pine watches strategies and budgets like a hawk [19:34:18] what's a "SWOT analysis" ? [19:34:18] When's the next SWOT deployment? [19:34:18] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWOT_analysis [19:34:18] We would love for you* to log in. [19:34:18] *employees [19:34:18] That's an article, not ours [19:34:18] OK so SWAT deploy the SWOT analysis by the SWAT team [19:34:18] marktraceur: This is the employees meeting which we hold in the open and welcome external input. That seems to be a good thing, surely? [19:34:18] Re: notifications, the community consultation is coming [19:34:18] Are the SWOT's going to be published? [19:34:18] James_F: Sure, but the audience "you" is not the log-in-and-give-feedback "you" [19:34:18] Clarity [19:34:18] Ainali, I suspect so [19:34:18] Ainali, I'd like to do that, but we may want to change the format a bit before then [19:34:18] What Eloquence_mm said! [19:34:18] Eloquence_mm: Great! [19:34:19] (by now I think I've found the eight differences between both Deskana's) [19:34:19] As much as I like both Dans, can we hide them somehow or is that a Youtube feature? [19:34:20] My face is a feature [19:34:20] It's a collection of features [19:34:20] he’s in stereo [19:34:20] qgil: lol [19:34:20] Deskana: bigger samll next time [19:34:21] it's a platform [19:34:21] *smaile [19:34:21] **smile [19:34:21] dammit mobile [19:34:21] * marktraceur puts a paper bag over matanya that says "typo" [19:34:21] And now Philippe! [19:34:21] kim should totally join our research group meetings [19:34:21] What about Philippe? [19:34:21] Talking about the Community Consultation which is coming up [19:34:22] oh ok [19:34:22] video lag [19:34:22] The last time the WMF held a strategy project, it took a year (eep) [19:34:22] rdaiccherlb: consider that annual plans take about 8 months [19:34:22] (well, the last one 5 years ago - I'm certain smaller scale strategies are all over the place) [19:34:23] yay 5-year plans [19:34:23] :D [19:34:23] <_joe_> matanya: so smile a pointer to a pointer, but you didn't specify the type [19:34:23] :) static [19:34:23] hey Stryn :) [19:34:23] The Strategy Consultation begins Novemeber 17th [19:34:23] Any questions? [19:34:23] rdaiccherlb: We're still listening... [19:34:23] <_joe_> rdaiccherlb: we're quite laggy I guess [19:34:24] hey boss, we really can't ask anything (because lag :) ) [19:34:24] The question is about translations: Professional translations in 5 languages and working with communities to translate others [19:34:24] hey Elitre :) [19:34:24] what’s the officewiki page for the strategy stuff? i found an old one from ‘09 [19:34:24] is kim on IRC? [19:34:24] OK I'll try to type in here (typos ensue) [19:34:24] brion: I'll find it and put it in the staff channel [19:34:25] tyept eh Qs and As in the room [19:34:25] hi KatyLove [19:34:25] Deskana: thx [19:34:25] IRC folks, feel free to ask questions any time, to make up for the lag. [19:34:25] rdaiccherlb: It's maybe a 30 second lag, I think [19:34:25] hi matanya ! [19:34:25] If these are the two questions, why wait till the 17th? [19:34:25] There's some set up that's still being done :) [19:34:25] * Elitre is a bit puzzled about professional translations, but still. [19:34:25] The question that's been raised here: What is the role that the WMF plays? Are we facilitators? what is our identity? [19:34:25] cndiv: are we testing out the Q&A thing? [19:34:26] rfarrand: Not today, it was requested we not try it on rdaiccherlb 's first day [19:34:26] What are the relationships between the communities and the WMF? What roles do we all play? (I happen to love this conversation ) [19:34:26] k [19:34:26] and I couldn't find anyone to monitor it [19:34:26] rfarrand let me know about that later - want to know more about it [19:34:26] rdaiccherlb: first day of what ? [19:34:26] rdaiccherlb: sure, it's easy. I'll teach you [19:34:26] cndiv and Jarred Z actually know more than I do. Its another way to take questions during live events [19:34:26] * Elitre bleats, then shuts up. [19:34:26] So, as far as the Consultation, we really want to hear from as many community members as possible. [19:34:26] matanya: of being IRC monitor person [19:34:26] matanya - I'm James_F in here right now [19:34:26] is WMDE’s Pavel still around? [19:34:26] DarTar, I think not [19:34:26] wait that sounds confusing. [19:34:26] DarTar: I think everyone from WMDE but Nicole has left. [19:34:26] DarTar think he left yesterday night? [19:34:26] thanks [19:34:26] guillom: no there are three of them (WMDE) at metrics today [19:34:26] So we want to ask very high level questions about where we're going and how we might get there [19:34:26] DarTar: He is still an advisor to Jan Engelmann [19:34:26] or at least, there should be [19:34:26] ha, ok – I wanted to run past him some numbers that are not 100% consistent with what I heard from him [19:34:26] rfarrand: hah, then I was lied to! CONSPIRACY. [19:34:26] Pine? :) [19:34:26] Kasia, Tim & Nicole [19:34:26] guillom ^^ [19:34:26] DarTar: Ah, you meant as "aroung in the office"? [19:34:26] Ainali: yes :) [19:34:26] :) [19:34:27] Any more questions about the strategy process? [19:34:27] Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like? [19:34:27] rdaiccherlb: I thought you could see quite well now? Hit CMD and + :p [19:34:27] In the office it's been asked about what Kin has noticed so far about this process? [19:34:27] video is a bit lagged [19:34:27] YuviPanda - I' [19:34:27] m not sure I understand your question? [19:34:27] YuviPanda: :p [19:34:27] How are the questions going to be collected? Are all answers going to be open or is it some sort of survey tool? [19:34:27] Erik is segue-ing [19:34:27] i'll contribute one 'major trend' to the discussion -- social media. wp's social tools are still very primitive. [19:34:27] rdaiccherlb: This is Yuvi, he's a troll. [19:34:27] * cscott puts on troll hat. [19:34:27] wp should be more like facebook! [19:34:27] * cscott takes off hat [19:34:27] marktraceur great thing I have a call with Yuvi coming up then :P [19:34:28] wait, there are non-trolls around here?? [19:34:28] cscott - bah! *tiny fist shake* [19:34:28] Elitre: Well, more of a troll. [19:34:28] * cscott looks around, innocently [19:34:28] Erik is beginning to talk about Structured Data [19:34:28] rdaiccherlb: :D [19:34:28] Are we going to update https://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Movement_Strategic_Plan_Summary/The_Opportunity ? Are we going to evaluate Did we achieve "these critical targets:" from that page? [19:34:29] Elitre: there are large trolls and some ones [19:34:37] small [19:34:45] dammit. i'll stop typing [19:34:46] Here's a link to Erik's presentation: https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/1pYIyfSAQIaHFAWWOzbVa8VKPHE58y2IzIOmy86J6R1g/edit#slide=id.p [19:34:56] spagewmf: Strategy is read only I think, and dead. [19:35:04] (strategy wiki I mean) [19:35:10] * marktraceur puts things into suitcases [19:35:18] Damn it Eloquence_mm I just finished getting these all put away [19:35:26] rdaiccherlb: FYI Our wonderful Ops team has fixed Wikimedia Labs, so my links will work again. Feel free to post them during the presentation later :) [19:35:46] spagewmf: your question looks perfect for office wiki though :) [19:35:48] By the way, is MissGayle hiding around here somewhere? I have a question for her... [19:35:53] Erik is talking about Do-ocracy and infoboxes! [19:35:57] rdaiccherlb: I do not have permission to view that Google doc [19:35:58] Tables! Foreshadowing for James_F [19:36:00] Elitre: right, but we shouldn't ignore what we said in 2011 that we'd do for the next 5 years [19:36:18] marktraceur: The whole of Wikidata is a cunning ruse of mine to serve as hype for this meeting. [19:36:38] James_F: Just start with "Developers, developers, developers, developers" [19:36:49] spagewmf: I believe that's something which is actually evaluated in annual plans and similar stuff, actually? [19:37:15] I should look for references though. [19:37:16] Data, data, developers, data [19:37:23] marktraceur: Are you suggesting I'm subject to the Balmer Peak? [19:37:35] We all are. [19:37:38] marktraceur: Entwickler, Entwickler, Entwickler, Entwickler? [19:37:43] James_F: when you have a sec, can you ping MissGayle for me? [19:37:45] James_F: has anybody ever figured out if the infamous GCHQ wiki is using semantic mediawiki? [19:37:47] marktraceur: Not those of us who don't drink. [19:37:48] Erik says: Reducing redundancy and do-ocracy [19:37:56] !hss [19:37:57] Pine: She's a bit busy running the meeting… sorry. [19:37:57] 2007: Freebase slide [19:38:01] ok [19:38:21] * Pine is used to seeing her in the chan [19:38:25] DarTar: I don't know, but if I did know I probably wouldn't be able to tell you. ;-) [19:38:50] Pine - you can prpobably follow up with her later. I don't know that she' [19:38:51] ah you Brits and your superinjunctions [19:38:55] Pine: I've waved at her but no idea if she'll interpret that the right way. :-) [19:39:00] ss presenting any more during this meeting [19:39:02] DarTar: More about the Official Secrets Act. [19:39:05] James_F: heh, ok [19:39:09] I know someone at Metaweb :-) [19:39:35] Erik is going over all of the structured data people (FB Graph Search boo hiss) [19:39:51] Elitre: I googles WMF annual report, I got http://www.wmf.org/content/annual-report :) [19:40:24] for those who have never seen how central Wikipedia-generated structured data is in the linkeddata ecosystem: http://linkeddata.org/ [19:40:52] spagewmf: more like http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Annual_Report :) [19:41:00] DarTar: Yeah, and as a Linked Data person it makes me shudder. [19:41:04] Finally we get our fill of Eloquence pointing at graphs [19:41:19] marktraceur: you're welcome [19:42:19] Erik is talking about what we can do with the data. Again the slides are here: https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/1pYIyfSAQIaHFAWWOzbVa8VKPHE58y2IzIOmy86J6R1g/edit#slide=id.p [19:42:57] rdaiccherlb: slides are still not open to anyone [19:42:58] (he's on slide 14, in real time) [19:43:14] “Bibliographic data: not planned” is true, but there’s already a ton of work happening in this area (shameless plug: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Source_MetaData ) [19:43:28] Oh dear, I'm sorry about that! [19:43:42] I'll ask him about making the link public [19:43:49] DarTar: I think it's more like "not yet planned". [19:44:22] James_F: right [19:44:34] rdaiccherlb I just figured out who you are. I like your username! [19:44:39] Ainali, they're open to wikimedia.org accoutns [19:45:03] KatyLove :) [19:45:11] Reasonator should be the stub page for every topic that doesn't have an article. It's awesome [19:45:35] Krenair: So if I have the email jan.ainali@wikimedia.org, how do I get to the slides? [19:46:17] open the link [19:46:33] fwiw, i'm toying around with the idea of using wikidata for languageconverter stuff, too. [19:46:44] Krenair: :apparently it has not been linked to my Google account [19:46:57] glad to see the “enable others to build magical things” called out as a strategic priority :) [19:47:09] DarTar: +1. [19:47:14] * YuviPanda plugs labs [19:47:17] DarTar: That's Krinkle's department mostly [19:47:22] DarTar +1m [19:47:27] speaking of which, the freebase application domain has been down for a long time [19:47:41] DarTar: that's a good idea. Put that in the SWOT. [19:47:47] so all the awesome 3rd party stuff the community build disappeared (unless it moved elsewhere) [19:47:56] Eloquence has been talking for 15 minutes unscheduled. Tsk. :-) [19:48:14] James_F: This is another reason to have MissGayle in the chan [19:48:22] So she can hook Erik [19:48:23] James_F: evidently he's not aware of those tables... [19:48:29] Pine: it is already, one of the key themes emerging is related to WP as a platform [19:48:58] DarTar: Yeah, freebase is a real shame. [19:49:42] I was able to find lots of pictures of toothbrushes. [19:49:46] hmm, reasonator seems down? http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q1339 [19:49:47] Fabrice talking about Structured Data plan working with Wikidata and communities [19:49:51] remotes getting to see Guillaume once a month is a motivation to follow metrics. [19:50:43] Here are the slides: https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/1Qqcv_gP7kinH9dkSnBuHay9ojEHlr9eGbYXib6LaUEE/edit#slide=id.g4688b9605_4_6 [19:51:02] media metadata is important for ocg (pdf rendering) as well -- basically anyone who needs to reuse mw content can use better machine-readable info on authorship, license, etc. [19:51:03] spagewmf: all labs is down https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/labs-l/2014-November/003094.html [19:51:17] Ainali: is back up [19:51:17] spagewmf: labs is just back from the dead (nfs server died) so the tool may need a restart somehow [19:51:34] Also if you're interested in signing up for the Structured Data newsletter, you can do so here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Targets/Structured_data_for_multimedia [19:51:38] which one? I can give it a kick [19:51:39] While following Fabrice, I'm playing a "find the difference" game with the Deskana pics. [19:51:51] One step back: Erik's slides are also available somewhere on the web? [19:51:55] YuviPanda: Ah, nice! [19:52:00] Elitre: The right one sounds more British. [19:52:03] Ainali: spagewmf gave it a kick [19:52:07] Elitre: Good luck! ;) [19:52:40] aschmidt, https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/1pYIyfSAQIaHFAWWOzbVa8VKPHE58y2IzIOmy86J6R1g/edit#slide=id.p [19:52:45] I think we need better multimedia metadata search to determine the difference between the two Dan pics. Maybe one has a different license. [19:52:46] And here's the link to the project hub: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data [19:52:51] (was posted here earlier) [19:52:54] And now Guillaume! [19:53:03] YuviPanda: Pretty good kick then! :) [19:53:08] I'm not Guillaume [19:53:19] Ainali: right??? I thought the same thing! [19:53:31] is it working now? [19:53:47] "Recommended app: Draw. Draw on each other in a Hangout." [19:53:57] Google Hangouts is being a bit of a devil on my shoulder. [19:54:02] rdaiccherlb: thanks I had no idea that page existed [19:54:06] Deskana: You could circle the differences in the pictures [19:54:06] "Go on... draw on people during metrics. Do iiiiit." [19:54:13] Krenair: thanks, could you please make it available to everyone? Unfortunately, I lack the rights to retrieve the file. [19:54:24] guillom ftw! [19:54:25] DarTar - Ah! well good thing I posted it then! [19:54:40] aschmidt, uhh... maybe someone else should do it :) [19:54:54] hey comets o/ [19:55:08] But...the description doesn't have language templates!!! [19:55:09] Arghhh [19:55:11] * marktraceur dies [19:55:23] reasonator back up for now [19:55:30] Krenair: then we should ask eloquence to make his presentation public, please. [19:55:40] File cleanup drive! https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_metadata_cleanup_drive/How_to_fix_metadata [19:55:51] Ohai MissGayle [19:56:27] And here is another link: https://tools.wmflabs.org/mrmetadata/wikivoyage/en/ [19:56:37] Ah, MissGayle: when the presentation is done (the video is lagging a bit) I'll have a question for you, if that's ok [19:56:50] of course it’s okay [19:56:54] rdaiccherlb: Is there a plan to make a nicer way to add/edit missing or broken metadata? [19:56:54] thx [19:56:56] this isn't closing in 3 minutes, right? [19:56:57] as long as it’s not an add to my “to do” list :) [19:57:02] Mr. Metadata is really nice. [19:57:02] YuviPanda: is a BOT, he is taking all channels at the same time..... [19:57:13] nuria__: :D [19:58:03] marktraceur - guillom is just getting back to his computer & can tell you [19:58:10] My guess is yes! [19:58:19] beautiful pic :) [19:58:20] There is an IRC chat - will post the link in a second. [19:58:23] Maryana's up! [19:58:33] * rdaiccherlb is sometimes fast at this, sometimes slow [19:58:34] There is neither guillom nor molliug nor basile in this room! Oh noes. [19:58:38] Aha [19:58:43] metadata cleanup drive is awesome but how does it involve Wikidata ? [19:58:46] molliug: Is there a plan to make a nicer way to add/edit missing or broken metadata? [19:58:58] yay multichill and DJ! [19:59:05] sorry - we’re running behind, we’re going to have to do questions to presenters via irc and email [19:59:09] multichill: You just missed getting namedropped [19:59:19] marktraceur: No, I heard that [19:59:24] Mobile: https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/1dL-sjc--lKmo7XKcQqP9NcbcTnmjkeNjjOYyYr5xNuI/edit#slide=id.g467d77d2a_00 [19:59:26] I dropped in about 10 minutes ago [19:59:26] I'm leaving IRC for my upcoming presentation. I'll come back on IRC afterwards. :) [19:59:38] marktraceur: There's Magnus Manske's tool that tries to guess how to convert plain wikitext to {{information}} [19:59:43] Was there anything before guillom's drive? [19:59:44] (link in the how-to) [19:59:44] Doh! It's also WMF only (think this is internal iiuntil the meeting. Hmmm - [19:59:44] Deskana: Do you even bouncer [19:59:49] guillom: Lab is down [19:59:52] guillom: That's neat [19:59:55] I thought it was back up [20:00:01] Salut Guillom Basile [20:00:05] By the way, thank you Fabrice for multimedia license untangling [20:00:05] spagewmf: as I understand it, not directly. But is essential to make the move later on [20:00:16] Maryana focuses a lot on robot overlords... [20:00:16] won't anyone think of the Pythons! [20:00:18] :) [20:00:43] MrMetadata is a Python Robot. [20:00:50] Of course it's python [20:00:54] Ainali: ah, So some day these beatiful information templates could be loaded into Wikidata, similar to how DBpedia sucked in infoboxes? [20:00:54] rdaiccherlb: she's just channeling how she is to the mobile team :) [20:00:56] Good, Wikipedia for smartwatches [20:01:07] (in a very good way) [20:01:11] spagewmf: Yeah, more or less [20:01:15] Smartwatches? [20:01:19] Smart TV? [20:01:19] So many data gaps to filll [20:01:29] So [20:01:31] Ainali, guillom I would like to chat more but battery dead. [20:01:44] spagewmf: Find me at lunch? :) [20:01:50] livetweets: https://twitter.com/wikimedia [20:01:53] it doesn’t even have an instance of property! [20:02:29] Krenair: Could you please add links to all the presentations on the Meta page after the meeting is over and after they have been made openly available on Google drive? [20:02:43] Tintle: also, Wikipedia in a smart contact lens [20:02:44] HaeB: retweeting the research-relevant Metrics tweets via @WikiResearch (you can do it too ;) ) [20:02:49] I believe Google is working on that [20:02:51] aschmidt: They're already linked on meta. [20:02:51] Oh Pine [20:03:08] aschmidt: But obviously we need to fix them to be open. [20:03:14] For the items without claims: https://tools.wmflabs.org/multichill/queries/wikidata/noclaims_enwiki.txt [20:03:22] aschmidt, I haven't been keeping track of them all [20:03:48] Are what Mayana is showing already live? It looks absolutely awesome! [20:03:56] Ainali: I think so [20:03:57] *Maryana [20:04:04] Ainali: it is [20:04:09] Not quite yet - soon! [20:04:18] maybe in alpha or beta [20:04:19] ? [20:04:20] James_F: I'm afraid, they aren't. Erik's presentation is still missing. [20:04:25] rdaiccherlb: the test is not live, the feature *is* live [20:04:37] mobile -> log in -> enable beta [20:04:40] * rdaiccherlb got it wrong. Bah [20:04:43] Yes, it's living at en.wp. [20:04:45] was it mobile web or the app? [20:04:51] enwiki only, correct [20:04:52] Questions? [20:04:53] web only [20:04:55] Only mobile? [20:05:01] Ainali: for sec I thought you were speaking of matanya and I was thinking, did he upload some fancy FDC tables somewhere? [20:05:09] this is WikiGrok [20:05:20] OK, she's stepped away but if there are questions I can get them to her. Now Dan Garry [20:05:21] multichill: So far, yes. [20:05:51] Ainali: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MobileFrontend/WikiGrok [20:06:04] Deskana|Away: Code background? Really? :D [20:06:14] What? [20:06:14] Dan is demo-ing the app, hope there isn't too much of a a lag [20:06:15] I enabled beta and even dragons, how can I get those questions? [20:06:21] guillom: He's showing off. :-) [20:06:25] Elitre: Thanks! That is fantastic! [20:06:27] James_F: Clearly :) [20:06:33] qgil: It's only active on ~30k articles. [20:06:51] ok, now 3 Dan instances are maybe a bit too much for me. [20:06:53] wait, now there's 3 dans? [20:06:58] for the upcoming WikiGrok test in beta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Mobile_microcontributions/WikiGrok [20:07:07] ah [20:07:16] guillom: James_F he does have several patches in the app, and has a very deep WIP on watchlist on the app [20:07:32] James_F: Why so few? [20:07:35] "Is it in Manchester, New Hampshire or _Manchester_ [no qualification]" - good lad [20:07:37] * marktraceur goes to Google Play on his Firefox phone [20:07:43] the one true Manchester! [20:07:52] Elitre: does this mean he does 3 times as much work? I'll tell MissGayle so she can offload some of her work onto one of the Dans. [20:07:59] YuviPanda: Oh, I know he's coding. I was just teasing him for showing it off during his presentation :) [20:08:02] James_F, will the questions just show up? keeping trying randon articles [20:08:07] James_F, qgil: we’re rolling this out to a large number of articles [20:08:18] subject to some inclusion criteria: [20:08:18] Ainali: Enwiki articles about people who have an item on Wikidata that's filled in except for occupation. There aren't /that/ many yet. [20:08:22] guillom: :D [20:08:24] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Mobile_microcontributions/WikiGrok#Claim_selection [20:08:24] I just need another Gayle :) [20:08:28] DarTar: Yeah. [20:08:29] Dedalus = Ad Huikeshoven [20:08:29] * Elitre complains with DarTar for linking to an orphan page. [20:08:37] * dedalus_ [20:08:48] Elitre: is it? it should be linked from the top page [20:08:49] James_F: Ah, I see. Thanks. [20:08:52] lemme check [20:08:53] * James_F goes to be ready to present quickly, to avoid wasting people's time. [20:09:04] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Research:Mobile_microcontributions/WikiGrok ain't no lier. [20:09:04] I already told Heather we needed to clone her. [20:09:08] Questions? [20:09:20] Where *is* Manchester? [20:09:21] *liar [20:09:25] Ping Deskana for any Qs [20:09:28] ori : UK [20:09:32] ori: New Hampshire. Pay attention! [20:09:37] James_F [20:09:46] Elitre: you may have noticed the top page is still pretty much a placeholder [20:09:46] Yeah, bug that Deskana guy [20:09:51] "The North." [20:09:53] but I’ll link the subpage from it [20:10:01] Krenair: Lots of places have a north [20:10:02] thanks for catching it [20:10:05] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Design/Table_editor - Table Editor! [20:10:07] How do one find the Alpha app? [20:10:28] woooooooooo on this one. Been looking forward to VE tables for a while. [20:10:28] Dan: Capitalise the first letter of the description [20:10:29] guillom: It was either that or my cluttered desktop :P [20:10:30] the Smiths are from Manchester! [20:10:42] Deskana: :) [20:10:42] Ainali: We don't have a convenient way of accessing that unless you're a programmer right now. [20:10:49] DarTar: how am I supposed to find it if it's orphan? :) [20:10:53] drum roll table editing! [20:11:06] Woohoo! [20:11:07] Elitre: like I sad, we’re still working on it [20:11:09] Ainali: The technical answer is to pull from master in the repository, and build the code into an APK in your development environment. :) [20:11:14] haaave you met table editing? \o/ [20:11:15] Deskana: I am a programmer wannabe. Is that enough? [20:11:15] SO awesome. :) [20:11:32] We're ooohing and aahhhhing - hope you all are too <:) [20:11:37] Ainali: Probably! The instructions are here: https://github.com/wikimedia/apps-android-wikipedia [20:11:48] Does anyone have questions about Table Editing? [20:11:50] James_F: That was so sexy [20:11:59] thanks for the credit james [20:12:00] Deskana: Thanks! [20:12:13] The bestest thing about table editing in VE is that it gives us one less excuse for using spreadsheets in Google docs :P [20:12:27] Any follow up questions? [20:12:31] I rewrote about 90% of their code! [20:12:34] guillom: Yeah, because that will happen [20:12:41] James_F's voice is so relaxing [20:12:44] For any of the presentations? [20:12:54] rfarrand, kick James for me [20:12:57] * Elitre claps [20:13:06] yay James, yay tables, yay Editing team :) [20:13:09] guillom: That is actually very important for transparancy [20:13:13] James_F: Awesome, love to have that on my company wiki ;-) [20:13:28] Ainali: Agreed! [20:13:33] :) [20:13:35] edsanders: I am not in the office! [20:13:42] Question is being asked about a dark future - where google scraps our data to the extent that people stop coming to the projects [20:13:45] * dedalus_ James dancing on a table [20:14:07] heheh! Robert running through the screen [20:14:08] I was told Ed is the responsible for the stuff that is still /missing/ from table editing in VE, but if everybody congratulates with him, I guess I should do that too :p [20:14:19] It's being said that there's no strong evidence that this is affecting the movement yet [20:14:29] ethercalc, brilliant open source spreadsheet: https://ethercalc.net/ [20:14:33] Pine: did you want to ask whatever you were going to? I’m going to hop off IRC after I announce lunch and be in mtgs all afternoon. [20:14:40] Though the concept of Searching is changing a bit - people get more from their feeds, now [20:14:41] <3 ether.* [20:14:43] MissGayle: I sent you a PM [20:15:01] chrismcmahon: The last time I saw that demo'd there was still a JS injection security bug. [20:15:08] VE team and James_F .. looks cool. [20:15:17] Elitre, not quite [20:15:17] Which was both cool and awful [20:15:26] James_F: That was very promising. Nice work! [20:15:36] marktraceur: Audrey Tang maintains it, file a bug :-) [20:15:39] should we also say thanks to Parsoiders for allowing tables not to break? :) [20:15:40] clearly we need to pursue greater facebook integration ;) [20:15:44] Are there any questions surrounding any aspect of this meeting? (get it now before we go eat lunch! [20:15:47] I *think* it was fixed that day...not sure [20:15:55] also, yay parsoid! ;) [20:15:58] chrismcmahon: marktraceur ethercalc also reccomends using redis for storage... [20:15:59] cscott - :/ [20:16:04] We kept about 30% of their code for storing tables in the backend and the add col/row actions [20:16:16] but all the UI, selections, merging, [20:16:31] Elitre - yes! [20:16:31] edsanders: great job! [20:16:48] captions, header formatting [20:17:33] OK, we're ending the meeting now. Thank you all for participating! [20:17:33] Bye office [20:17:42] By wonderful humans! :D [20:17:56] bye folks in SF... [20:18:17] Thanksgiving! I hope mhurd made lefse. [20:18:20] thanks [20:18:25] one thing that is also holding usage of wikidata-data on wikis is that it cannot be edited from each local Wikipedia [20:18:27] Deskana: to answer your question: No, you may not say something :) [20:18:28] bye [20:18:45] pies [20:18:48] Deskana: I don't think they heard you [20:19:00] thank you! [20:19:02] wmf lunch unfair to remoties :) [20:19:07] ++ [20:19:14] * bd808 now wants pie [20:19:16] bd808, didn't you get your brown bug via Fedex? [20:19:21] bag [20:19:23] bd808: no pie for you [20:19:28] there was an exciting hack on that on Wikimania on the russian Wikipedia, where you could edit Wikidata directly from the infobox [20:19:32] (brown bug, funny typo) [20:19:40] I will have my pie damn it! [20:19:45] * rfarrand now wants brown bug [20:19:48] Ainali: Yeah, it seems like it would be fine as long as CORS was configured for it [20:20:00] Just need to write the gadget! [20:20:02] Oh, that stream ended quickly :) [20:20:03] bd808 gets many bugs, and I'm damn sure some are brown [20:20:14] bd808: pics or it didn't happen [20:20:26] James_F, tables: pretty cool! [20:20:30] Ainali, that was mentioned at https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LxFQDqqWnBk#t=2311 [20:20:48] (at the time, editing tables was my first recurrent use of VisualEditor over source [20:20:53] * rdaiccherlb goes to get fud. [20:21:02] that was when the rest was still 'here be dragons') [20:21:10] rfarrand: ok, but now I have to leave my house and venture into the "real world" to find such things [20:21:20] bd808: yeah I was going to mention that [20:21:55] bd808 you could always try making a pie [20:22:10] with things you have around the house! Lego pie? [20:22:19] :o [20:22:19] crunchy [20:22:26] quiddity: Yeah. As far as i can tell Swedish Wikipedia are excited to try it out, but that is the thing that are holding them back to go all in [20:23:19] * rfarrand just remembered when bd808 and legoktm spent 30 min a a toy shop looking at legos. [20:23:29] *in a toy shop [20:23:51] In our defense, it was a small toy shop or it would have taken much longer [20:24:01] defense? [20:24:22] Yeah. Only 30 minutes looking at Lego sets is weak [20:24:43] ++ [20:24:56] oh, good point [20:25:03] Also Tim showed us the set that has his brother-in-law in it which was mega cool [20:25:18] I guess social hour at MWDS = Taylor Swift and Legos [20:25:36] (media wiki developers summit) [20:26:05] Tawylor Swift? [20:26:12] man I missed that [20:26:22] YuviPanda: legoktm can really sing her stuff :) [20:26:34] I used to be able to too [20:26:48] bd808: I'm going to let you finish, but YuviPanda has the best Taylor Swift karaoke of all time. [20:27:01] marktraceur: no, it was me and MaxSem doing barbie girl, remember? [20:27:04] :O [20:27:16] I think the guy playing music told us he's going to take that song off after that... [20:27:16] \0/ [20:27:31] rfarrand: legoktm vs YuviPanda sing off now has to happen. Can you handle logistics? [20:27:40] YuviPanda: Tomasz and Siebrand were the original barbie girl pair [20:27:51] rfarrand: indeed, we've kept the tradition going [20:28:17] I think Tomasz offered to hire me, and then went and sung barbie girl right after [20:28:20] aaah, fun times [20:28:27] I designate marktraceur! [20:28:31] bd808 ^^ [20:28:46] rfarrand: that will work [20:28:50] he is in charge of all that business [20:29:29] * YuviPanda goes to listen to some of her stuff [20:29:44] https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity highly reccomended [20:29:48] taylor swift on information security [20:31:33] rfarrand: I saw the Big Bang rerun last night where Kripke keeps a karaoke machine in the trunk of his car. That made me think of marktraceur. [20:32:01] hehe [20:33:40] I am off to stand up paddle board over lunch time on a lake at 9000ft!! <3 the mts! See ya bd808 / marktraceur /l legoktm / YuviPanda|zzz - lets settle this karaoke thing later. [20:34:44] greg-g: Haha [20:34:48] greg-g: :-D [20:59:07] qgil: Thanks. Most of the praise goes to edsanders who did amazing things to get it working. :-) [21:00:18] edsanders, very useful work. Thank you! [21:01:13] thanks, feel free to try and break it before it hits en.wiki! [21:33:12] Eloquence_mm James_F|Away Deskana|Away Fabrice Maryana guillom : great stuff at the MnM meeting :D (sorry I had to run right after the meeting...) [21:33:30] AndyRussG: Don't forget edsanders. [21:34:19] edsanders: ^ yeah fantastic work :) [21:34:20] +1 [21:34:20] :-) [21:35:05] totally will let me use VE more :) (and I already use it quite a bit) [21:36:31] AndyRussG: Good to hear. :-) [21:40:39] it's a really impressive piece of software and I quite enjoy using it, undoubetedly will be high-impact soooooooon [21:41:54] AndyRussG: Thank you :) [21:42:29] de rien :) [21:42:33] :D