[00:00:19] #topic VisualEditor -- See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:VisualEditor/Portal for link to audio Please note: Channel is logged and publicly posted [00:00:29] #link https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/1015/ [00:02:42] Welcome, everyone. [00:03:03] Release criteria for VisualEditor are listed at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1015/ [00:03:39] If you want to follow along with what James F is saying the WebEx audio call, then please see the instructions to join at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:VisualEditor/Portal [00:03:59] James is asking whether the current objectives, as listed in the Phabricator project, are sufficient. [00:04:07] * andre__ assumes it is intentional that his microphone checkbox in WebEx is disabled at this stage? [00:04:15] (not that I have something to add yet) [00:04:29] Next up: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/query/K9TVM696Wulv/#R is the resolved blockers. [00:04:56] andre__, I don't know. Chip set up the WebEx part of the meeting. [00:05:55] because I could not even "shout" even if James asked me to do so via audio (not that I planned to) :P [00:06:36] My WebEx tool has a "raise your hand" button. I've never used it. [00:06:58] I believe that the office can hear us whenever we talk, though. [00:07:03] uh yeah, same here. Maybe I'll try later :P [00:07:05] thanks :) [00:07:38] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T52036 has been fixed (will show up next week at the Wikipedias). [00:08:14] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90306 was fixed before anyone except QA saw it. [00:08:33] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89543 was a crasher, and it's fixed. [00:08:51] Sorry, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89943 is the crasher. [00:09:15] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T70537 is a fixed Firefox-only bug. [00:09:52] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89543 is a resolved performance issue. [00:10:14] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89192 is a resolved crasher. [00:10:30] It wouldn't let you add templates or other nodes in some parts of documents. [00:10:46] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66171 is a resolved Parsoid task. [00:11:25] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73085 is my favorite of this batch, because it increases the likelihood that users will be able to read nearly all comments. [00:11:31] And that's it for the list of resolved bugs. [00:11:40] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/1015/ is the next list. [00:12:06] It looks like 19 tasks were nominated during the last week. [00:12:24] Anything accepted will be put on the list of blockers for the Q3 goal. He's starting at the top. [00:12:32] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T49344 is first. [00:12:37] James F says that it's boring but important. [00:13:06] It ought to improve stability in certain situations. [00:13:49] It should turn confusing, complicated bugs into simpler bugs, which is good, but it's a very complex problem. [00:14:20] Accepted. [00:14:25] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53911 [00:14:57] This sounds like a user experience bug, about things that are selected, but you can't see them because it's off screen. [00:15:34] Accepted. [00:16:56] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90757 is next. This is a report from the Italian Wikipedia that adding a template causes VisualEditor to freeze. [00:17:37] This is being accepted tentatively, because it was reported this morning and no one knows how to reproduce it yet. [00:17:43] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90463 is next, for Citoid. [00:18:14] It should be a small fix and has been accepted. [00:18:22] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90478 is next. [00:18:31] This is a stability bug and will be accepted. [00:18:40] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90622 [00:19:19] This is about showing editors how long they should expect it to take VisualEditor to finish loading. [00:20:29] This might be declined. [00:21:18] Actually, James has decided to accept it as a task to be done when polishing the product at the end. [00:21:21] Next up: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89878 [00:21:34] It is about changing the feedback form. [00:24:22] There are multiple improvements being made, but the main goal is to change the library, and therefore performance. [00:24:28] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90376 is up next. [00:25:18] The idea is to let people start editing before the entire page is fully loaded. This would improve practical performance for long articles. [00:26:09] This task appears to need more research. [00:26:41] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90374 [00:26:53] This is a performance issue. [00:27:22] It would increase the number of API tasks but probably improve speed. [00:28:22] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90372 is next, and it's also about performance and API requests. [00:28:54] It might save half a second, on opening a page. [00:29:22] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88827 is about PArsoid [00:30:33] This one will probably be rejected or listed as a "polish" task. [00:30:55] Next up is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71950 about Parsoid [00:31:20] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73006 is similar. They're both about nowiki tags. [00:31:45] Both of these are accepted. [00:32:01] James F is skipping to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90304 about loading HTML. [00:32:06] It's being accepted. [00:32:21] Now we're going back to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90040 about edit stashing. [00:33:08] This improves performance and takes advantage of improvements made last year in MediaWiki. [00:33:46] Next up is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90299 about rearranging the toolbar slightly, to make media insertion more prominent. [00:34:38] Design research indicates that it took some users a long time to find the media item in the Insert menu. [00:35:22] However, horizontal space is limited in the toolbar. [00:37:51] This is a particular problem for people who zoom in significantly because of limited vision. [00:38:41] The conversation has moved on to a general need to identify ways to keep the toolbar from wrapping onto two lines (e.g., due to zooming in or having a narrow screen) and identifying which items are most commonly used or higher priority. [00:39:34] The bug is being rejected for now, and being marked as being blocked by improvements to the toolbar. [00:40:03] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90281 should be next up. It's about Citoid. [00:40:47] This is being accepted. [00:41:20] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64084 about template dialog boxes in Firefox, which don't display correctly. [00:42:06] Again. This bug has been fixed and broken several times, when the underlying libraries get updated. [00:42:27] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T56947 is the last in the list. [00:42:51] This is about changing a wikilink, like [[Fish]]. [00:43:22] If you click in the word and type something else in VisualEditor, then VisualEditor creates a label: [[Fish|Something else]]. [00:43:39] Many users expect the link to be changed to [[Something else]]. [00:44:43] The proposal in this task is to pop up a question that says, "Do you want to change the link to [[Something else]]?" [00:45:22] This one is being declined, in favor of some other work that's being done to improve link editing. [00:45:33] That is the end of this list. [00:45:50] (That explanation (user's awareness) for T56947 is welcome in T56947. Makes sense.) [00:46:00] The last section on the agenda is about feedback on the meeting itself. [00:46:53] again, I cannot enable the Microphone checkbox in WebEx. Sorry. :) [00:47:44] thanks whatami! [00:48:01] I'm the weird person on Linux I guess. :P [00:48:29] andre__, I could not enable the microphone either, and I'm on FF/Win7 [00:48:39] Risker, oh, interesting. Thanks for sharing that! [00:49:04] Risker, you seem to have dropped from the call. I hope it wasn't due to technical problems. [00:49:22] We're talking about whether to use Google Hangouts rather than WebEx next time. Would that be preferable for anyone who is on IRC? [00:50:07] no technical problems, whatami, I have to step away shortly. I can't use google hangouts for audio because google hates me [00:50:24] Thanks for that information. I'll pass that along. [00:50:44] To me, it's as closed software and requires registering like WebEx, but my microphone normally works. But inviting non-WMF people will be hard with Google hangout. [00:50:50] but I found this meeting interesting, even if I didn't understand a lot of things. It would be helpful to know who exactly is attending via Wikimedia-office [00:51:06] thanks everybody! [00:51:12] (meeting over) [00:51:33] #endmeeting [00:51:33] Meeting ended Thu Feb 26 00:51:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) [00:51:33] Minutes: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2015/wikimedia-office.2015-02-25-23.59.html [00:51:33] Minutes (text): https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2015/wikimedia-office.2015-02-25-23.59.txt [00:51:33] Minutes (wiki): https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2015/wikimedia-office.2015-02-25-23.59.wiki [00:51:34] Log: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2015/wikimedia-office.2015-02-25-23.59.log.html