[12:10:34] bb42t, stultus, abian, addshore, yurik, the-wub, SPF|Cloud, DanielK_WMDE, Thibaut120094, Vedmaka, tonythomas, hexmode, pginer, SPQRobin, benestar, sjoerddebruin, mvolz, RD, bd808, ebernhardson, arrbee, Internet13, comets, Jianhui67, lbenedix1, putnik, niedzielski-afk, TBloemink, skierpage, Krenair, Lydia_WMDE, stwalkerster, cajoel, mbinder, dcausse, Jamesofur|cloud, Tobi_WMDE_SW, joakino, EdSaperia, lfaraone, Rastus_Vernon, prtksxna, SMalyshev, dr0p [12:10:34] tp4kt, mdholloway|afk, byron, jaufrecht, greg-g, bblack, Snowolf_, Vito, mindspillage, Sp7|Away, LordOfLight, Keegan|Away, Krinkle_, James_F|Away, kaity|away, divec, edsanders, Isarra, gilles, cscott, milimetric, JD|cloud, WikiPuppies, akosiaris, santhosh, dennyvrandecic, Nikerabbit, Guerillero, APexil, mobrovac, Dereckson, Garnig, dungodung, Lcawte, robla, ragesoss, mark, jonkatz_, wm-labs-meetbot, TimStarling, SodaAnt, Spacemansam, twentyafterfour [12:10:36] , brion, Danny_B, tgilbey, Reedy, godog, chasemp, thedj, sankarshan, harej, Sakurako, madhuvishy, Glaisher, TrevorP|Away, chiptesting, Negative24, ryasmeen|Away, marktraceur, aude, agoddard, lynette, violetto_, vibha, Niharika, mhurd_afk, Revi, Elitre, coreyfloyd, neilpquinn, legoktm, bgerstle_afk, awjr, andrewbogott_afk, jem, Emufarmers, gwicke, Coren|Away, Barras, QueenOfFrance, Barras2, Deskana|Away, tgr|away, anomie, rdmsf01, AlexZ_, zeljkof, su [12:10:36] cheta, dstrine-hiding, DangSunM|cloud, jdlrobson, rmoen, manybubbles, kaldari, Glenn, pitareio, jzerebecki, Katie, wm-bot, quiddity, jgage, Zaran, JohanJ, thcipriani|afk, ChanServ, urandom [12:10:37] any alternative for Microsoft Office Excel 2007? because it looks like crap [12:10:59] really.. [12:11:04] seriously?! [12:11:05] Wtf [12:11:10] i tried libreoffice but it crashes [12:11:14] ROFL [12:11:19] O_O [12:11:21] ? [12:11:44] Well, bb42t, not a good idea to ping everyone [12:11:54] Jianhui67 how to get help then [12:12:09] try Microsoft Office Excel 2010 [12:12:32] or 2012 [12:12:32] lol [12:12:35] or.... [12:12:46] lol [12:12:48] bb42t, #libreoffice will be the apt channel :) [12:12:51] so dirty trcik [12:13:06] comets its as uglyas 20067 [12:13:10] 2007 [12:13:17] alert alert bunny out of carrots [12:13:33] stultus i tried but they banned me because i reported bugs and they were mad that libre office has bugs [12:13:42] use openoffice.. [12:13:58] comets openoffice vs libreoffice differences? [12:14:00] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spreadsheet_software [12:14:10] bb42t, I'm sure you reported bugs in a *similar* way :D [12:14:11] pginer ok this gonna be good lis [12:14:14] t [12:14:25] #dontfeedthetroll [12:15:10] comets https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/Migration_Guide/Calc_and_Excel this explains how openoffice calc is crap [12:18:22] bb42t, this channel is for Wikimedia meetings - you've just pissed everyone off by pinging the entire room and now you're talking about something completely off topic. Take is elsewhere. [12:19:10] edsanders this is channel about office it is in name. also elsewhere? WHERE [12:19:19] where is spreadsheet channel [12:19:41] bb42t: this channel #wikimedia-office is ONLY for meetings. Not for discussions. [12:20:00] this is the Wikimedia Foundation, who run Wikipedia - we have nothing to do with any office software [12:20:04] hashar then lets have a meeting [12:20:06] you might want #wikimedia or the wikimedia-l mailing list at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l [12:20:31] hashar: he is looking for spreadsheet software [12:20:59] yes what zeljkof said [12:21:05] zeljkof, in the wrong place - he is wasting everyone's time [12:21:14] edsanders then where is place for this [12:21:22] find an IRC channel for libreoffice, or openoffice or microsoft office [12:21:38] I have no idea - that is not my problem though [12:21:41] bb42t: Ask Google. [12:21:53] edsanders tried libreoffice channel but they banned me when i reported bugs [12:22:03] bb42t, please leave [12:22:04] openoffice channel is empty [12:22:13] microsoft office - doesnt exist [12:22:25] edsanders leave and go where? [12:26:32] wtf [12:32:27] just ignore please [12:48:27] even ChanServ got pinged [12:48:29] hilarious [12:51:29] This is awesome. [12:52:15] evil chanserv is so rude he didnt even reply [12:52:31] or she? what is its gender/sex? [12:58:02] In other news, someone who shall remain nameless e-mailed me a docx recently. We're not the free software regime I believed us to be. I demand a full investigation. [12:58:58] so evil. he should of make .pdf from that [13:01:54] mvolz: when my mother wants to send me a picture, instead of attaching it directly to the mail, she c/p it into a docx and sends me that [13:01:56] go figure [13:02:17] so if your contained actual text, i wouldn't complain [13:02:17] :D [13:03:47] mobrovac: :D [13:34:00] i tried #libreoffice-dev but this niggers banned me even faster [13:55:12] i heard libreoffice is switching from odt to docx as its native format [13:59:45] Ooh [14:03:13] what to use for spreadsheeting [14:07:43] bb42t: This is *not* a channel for Microsoft Office, or any other office software suite, support. [14:08:05] Contact the support department for your software suite. [14:08:17] bb42t: And definitely never, ever ping the entire channel, ever again. [14:08:37] marktraceur i can contact them, they banned me [14:08:45] marktraceur why not ping ever again [14:08:46] bb42t: And in case that's not enough advice for you, watch your mouth. [14:09:13] bb42t: The point stands that this is not the place to ask for office suite advice. [14:09:46] whats place to ask then [14:10:00] bb42t: Any of twenty million online fora about software. [14:10:20] i dont use fora, they require registration and take much time to get replies [14:10:44] bb42t: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_office_suites is the only advice I will give you, as this is a Wikimedia channel. [14:11:39] bb42t: If you continue to ask here, you will *also* not get fast replies, and if you in the meantime continue to be abrasive, you will never get a reply at all. [14:12:34] you are cruel [14:15:42] bb42t: No, I'm attempting to keep order in this channel. [14:16:15] hitler also was just keeping order. you are not far from him [14:16:57] bb42t: Well, I don't have the power to commit genocide, only to ban people. So I think keeping order is OK in this case. [14:17:33] you dont have, but you wish you had [14:17:39] *sigh* whatever. [14:17:46] banning is like online genocide [14:17:47] bb42t: Behave yourself, we won't have a problem. [17:11:51] bb42t: you surely know that ping flooding is horrible IRC etiquette. Expect to be kickbanned the next time that happens. [17:19:13] JD|cloud whatever, will switch proxy [17:36:43] bb42t: Don't evade a ban, either. Terrible IRC etiquette also. [17:37:05] marktraceur why not evade, whos stoppin me [17:37:51] Just to note for those attending the upcoming meeting, I've been trying to log into freenode for half an hour and finally was able to connect, so there may be some kind of connectivity issue with Freenode. [17:39:04] freenode is done and corrupt [17:41:00] bb42t: Then leave. [17:41:27] bb42t: We're trying to get work done in this, and other, channels on Freenode. You are a potentially disrupting influence, and if you evade a ban, you're just causing us more trouble. [17:42:03] Not only us, but anyone who wants to use Freenode in the future from your IP address, or your proxies, or wherever. [17:42:47] do i look like i care? [17:42:56] Well, I can't see you. [17:57:45] Hello, everyone. [17:57:59] Hi James_F! [17:58:07] o/ [17:58:08] Welcome to the monthly Wikimedia metrics meeting for July 2015. [17:58:10] I'm James_F and I'll be your IRC attendant today. [17:58:16] All hail James_F [17:58:17] Emergency exit doors… wait. [17:58:29] I'm here to collate and facilitate questions. [17:58:38] And for question laundering [17:58:46] If something occurs to you during the presentations, please shout it out here. [17:58:57] What's an Advancement team? [17:59:00] A good many clever people hang out here and may know the answer to your questions. [17:59:00] harej: James is my official question launderer. [17:59:02] "Is your pronunciation too 'common'? Have James read your question, in *his* voic!" [17:59:11] Katie: formerly Fundraising [17:59:19] So it's just a euphemism? [17:59:20] "Advancement" is a superset of Fundraising [17:59:21] And for the ones that aren't answered by the end, I'll ask and get answers for you. [17:59:34] James_F: do you know a good office suite? ;) [17:59:45] zeljkof-meeting: Watch it, buddy [17:59:52] zeljkof-meeting: Suite? [18:00:06] James_F: software [18:00:07] James_F: We had someone in earlier asking about something to replace Microsoft Office. [18:00:15] Oh, right. [18:00:19] VisualEditor should be made into an office suite :D [18:00:21] I recommend VisualEditor. Obviously. [18:00:21] Has Damon left the Wikimedia Foundation? [18:00:33] Hello all! [18:00:50] youtube standing by, right? [18:01:02] It shows a blank screen for me [18:01:11] ok, then I am not alone [18:01:12] Youtube is active for me [18:01:13] I see Rosemary now. [18:01:14] stream works now. [18:01:16] Starting! [18:01:18] started [18:01:39] * GreenPine waves to Rosemary [18:02:31] I think we're waiting for people to arrive a little late, sorry. [18:03:20] If you have issues with sound/video, please ping josephine. [18:03:41] I was about to say: Sound is odd. [18:03:49] camera is off? [18:03:49] I am but a humble attendee and can't fix things for you; josephine is however A/V expert and can. [18:03:57] legoktm: video is active for me [18:04:16] er, off center* [18:04:24] josephine: The sound on the youtube stream is sort of... underwater robots. [18:04:52] your new name is "Patterson" [18:04:52] K4-713: It's about the same locally. [18:04:58] James_P: good work [18:05:00] :) [18:05:09] oh wonderful! Congrats to Maria! [18:05:29] lol useless [18:06:04] Uh, I'm celebrating one year as well [18:06:08] * Keegan coughs loudly [18:06:15] Keegan: They couldn't find your real name. [18:06:21] hahahahahahahaha [18:06:24] haha [18:06:27] K4-713: Sound better now? [18:06:31] Keegan: sorry, HR is short on staffing. [18:06:57] James_F: Better, yes. [18:06:59] go Aaron Schulz. [18:07:00] That's a very specific phobia. [18:07:05] But without validation of being on a slide, I have lost motivation to work. [18:07:05] aaron for CTO! [18:07:19] Keegan: you will get much appreciation from your peers on IRC. [18:07:34] We like you. :) [18:07:40] * foks claps for Keegan [18:08:01] * Keegan bows [18:08:25] foks: Presumably it'd be cenoselisophobia. [18:08:48] I'll take your word for that! [18:08:54] "Registered mark of the Wikimedia Foundation" [18:10:24] I thought that Wikidata was a project of WMDE. Wouldn't WMDE own the trademark? [18:10:38] WMDE develops it. [18:10:43] I'm pretty sure it's a Wikimedia Fondation project, legally. [18:10:47] GreenPine: I feel like lvilla knows what he's talking about re: trademarks [18:10:53] Indeed. :-) [18:10:55] heh [18:10:59] One would hope! [18:11:33] https://tools.wmflabs.org/crosswatch/ [18:12:47] I believe that WMDC has an upcoming briefing for the US Defense Department. That will be interesting. [18:12:54] Another example of government outreach: https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/02/23/telling-untold-stories-african-americans-stem [18:13:06] GreenPine: Already happened; briefing was a very basic information session. [18:13:15] Ah. How'd it go? :) [18:13:58] It's interesting that I'd never heard of these awards prior to us winning it [18:14:12] though that's likely to be my ignorance more than anything [18:14:23] It was not terribly exciting? It was your run of the mill "this is how Wikipedia works" sessions. [18:14:53] harej: let's talk in private later. I had a very... interesting... conversation with a DoD staffer awhile back. [18:15:47] I thought we were about to see Philippe in a disco video, I got very excited for a second [18:16:01] marktraceur: Sadly. [18:17:08] I think Geoff already told that joke :p [18:17:51] "consultation" [18:18:08] MIC [18:18:16] Someone might want to tell Philippe to make sure he's facing the mic. [18:18:19] He's going pretty quiet. [18:18:22] josephine: ^ [18:18:41] turning away from the lavalier (sp?) mic [18:19:07] Maybe tell him that there's a way to look at the slides without turning his head [18:19:12] Assuming that's still a thing [18:19:22] marktraceur: I don't know if it's a thing. [18:19:27] marktraceur: Depends whether it was set up that way beforehand, it's not automatic as it turns out. [18:20:00] his levels are already pretty high [18:20:16] we just upped it. sound any different? [18:20:20] James_F: could you please ask the speaker to keep the microphone near the mouth? [18:20:23] A little [18:20:37] Still in and out really [18:20:39] Just have him take the mic off and hold it in front of his mouth, that'll help [18:20:42] it's a bit better, but my volume is still all the way up and I can only mostly hear [18:20:54] Put the lapel mic on his other lapel. [18:21:24] Please, let's not interrupt him while he's speaking [18:21:44] He's not speaking as far as we can tell. :P [18:21:46] it's pretty helpful to be able to hear him though. [18:22:02] byron, what's the point in speaking if half his audience can't hear [18:22:11] Way more than half [18:22:46] Search and Discovery team: number one search result on meta-wiki for "2015 strategy consultation" is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2015_Strategy/Community_consultation/Background/tr [18:22:49] OK, i'm doing it [18:23:15] Actually, I have a pretty good idea of how so many anonymous accounts were involved. SUL didn't log me in automatically at the time when I clicked through the banner, and I bet it did the same for a lot of other users. [18:23:16] audio is not very good [18:24:29] So many words on these slides [18:24:54] n/m. If you read the words, you can have as many words as you want on your slides :D [18:25:14] just gave him a new mic. good? [18:25:29] josephine, might still be delayed [18:25:33] I hear the switch happening [18:25:36] AWESOME. [18:25:39] better! [18:25:41] YEAH! [18:25:43] Much better. Thank you! [18:25:48] yes, thank you! [18:25:51] Thank you! [18:26:09] Phew. [18:26:22] thanks byron [18:26:56] Hmm. Some of those new users could have been SPAs. [18:27:00] Who used their bot's account to participate in the consultation? [18:27:05] I'm... having issues with this analysis [18:27:06] GreenPine, he already spoke about that [18:27:16] foks: I must have missed it then due to the audio [18:27:37] GreenPine, "new accounts" are classed as people who created accounts and only edited this [18:27:45] also, there's a Dutch Wikinews?! [18:27:48] home wikis as defined by? I hope it's not the one in centralauth, because that's unreliable [18:28:03] legoktm: It's the one in CA because it's the only one you've built. :-) [18:28:07] GreenPine: SPA? TLA not in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Glossary#S [18:28:09] foks: unless someone was running CU on the new accounts, I'm not seeing how they could be distinguished from SPAs. [18:28:19] spagewmf, single-purpose account [18:28:33] GreenPine: That's not what SPA means. :-) [18:28:36] GreenPine, uh, because they don't/haven't edited anything else [18:28:52] James_F, it is according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:SPA ! ;-) [18:29:06] I don't see why using checkuser for aggregate analysis is a problem. I'm only worried when someone looks at individuals. [18:29:08] are both axes the same in https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3ACommunity_Consultation_on_Strategy%2C_WMF_Metrics_Meeting_July_2015.pdf&page=29 ? [18:29:09] Cutter? [18:29:16] quiddity: Sure, but we're talking about reality, not one wiki's confusion about reality. :-) [18:29:22] HaeB, looks like!! [18:29:34] guess every damn WP:TLA needs to be in the Glossary [18:29:57] spagewmf: Let's not pollute it with per-wiki terms. [18:30:06] So these categories were added by handcoding, right? [18:30:12] guillom: Yes. [18:30:29] Multimedia! [18:30:37] "Grounded Theory" [18:30:53] halfak: ? [18:31:14] Identifying themes by looking at things qualitatively. [18:31:18] Oh, right. [18:31:27] Hmm, looks like multimedia is a higher priority than search [18:31:32] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grounded_theory [18:31:59] GreenPine: "More frequently commented on" is the axis, not "priority". [18:32:07] GreenPine: But yes. [18:33:30] I wonder how many of the comments were made from mobile. [18:33:30] We have an app. So, the question is, why don't people know about it? [18:33:35] Yes please, better editing capability in the mobile app [18:33:45] Deskana: is it English only? [18:33:49] GreenPine: No. [18:33:50] GreenPine: Of course not! [18:33:53] I think at the time most anonymous users couldn't edit via the app? [18:33:54] Hmm [18:33:58] Interesting that new editors don't care about editing from mobile. [18:33:58] "Baby puke green" [18:33:59] Deskana: Because we don't put up an obnoxious "DOWNLOAD OUR APP" pop up? :) [18:34:03] Need the comms department to promote the app, then. [18:34:15] Deskana: Because we don't do what every other site does and put huge "Use the app!" banners when you land on mobile web? [18:34:21] I'm a little bit troubled by this "don't care" conclusion [18:34:22] guillom: Ha, snap. [18:34:29] "Didn't think of without prompt" [18:34:32] Is more like it [18:34:32] Oh, and isn't partnerships working on installing the WP app by default? [18:34:36] guillom, James_F: Indeed. [18:34:47] halfak, good point, yeah. [18:34:57] Don't know what you want until you have it. [18:35:39] Wikimedia should lead! skip video and go straight to emoji. [18:35:47] emojipedia. [18:35:53] Totes. [18:35:53] spagewmf: hehe [18:36:12] Sadly http://emojipedia.org/ is a thing. [18:36:15] emojis and like buttons. that's the only future [18:36:18] foks, also remember that in this instance "new editor" has been defined as people without any prior edits. It possibly (probably) included a lot of people who thought they [ought/needed] to create an account before commenting. [18:36:26] 📖.org [18:36:31] Hence "i just want an app to read" might make more sense. [18:36:38] "Redesign contest" < Over. My. Dead. Body. [18:36:59] quiddity, potentially. Though I imagine that number will be very low. [18:37:23] color and fonts anon only... Interesting [18:37:27] * GreenPine nominates guillom to lead redesign project [18:37:27] minerva as default on desktop? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep?useskin=minerva [18:37:36] What if I don't HAVE a basement?!?! [18:37:41] * JeanFred waves [18:37:54] editors with accounts know that nothing will ever be improved on that regard, so why bother mentioning it? [18:38:13] jorm, what regard? [18:38:24] improving the interface or modernizing it. [18:38:27] Ah. [18:38:35] I will not have people SMSing me to edit Wikipedia. [18:38:39] Thing is, "make it more colourful" is hard. [18:38:40] editing by sms! txtspeak wikipedia [18:38:46] Like, which colours? All of them? Urgh. [18:38:52] This reminds me of the April 1st Signpost issue. [18:38:54] hey, language changes :D [18:38:59] Edits by phyiscal mail. [18:38:59] jorm: I still run Fixed Header and Compact Personal Bar beta features on beta cluster. I'm not giving up [18:39:08] (Sorry.) [18:39:25] James_F: hm? [18:39:33] fhocutt: Wait for the stream. ;-) [18:39:36] "make it more colorful" is dumb. color is semantic. but otherwise, modernization isn't happening and we all know it. [18:39:42] fhocutt, the bureaucracy is all his fault. [18:39:49] jorm, yeah. [18:39:59] I see! [18:40:00] I will defend James_F against Philippe's slander. [18:40:08] GreenPine: It's not slander, it's true. ;-) [18:40:12] :) [18:40:37] I think "more images" would satisfy most of the "more colorful" requests. So many image-less articles! [18:40:42] more colors, fonts and videos! and rename it to geocities [18:40:44] Ask your questions here! [18:40:55] James is relaying them now. [18:41:41] James_F: speak up, plz [18:41:43] jorm: yes, desktop changes not a priority https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2015-16_Q1_Goals#Reading [18:41:52] GreenPine, what was your question RE: SPAs etc? [18:41:56] zeljkof-meeting: I can't change the level. Again, please feed A/V comments to josephine. [18:42:28] spagewmf: I don't think that link stands up the comment you made… [18:42:30] hey, that was abby! [18:42:31] josephine: plz, level up the mic from the audience [18:42:34] The question mic could be upped a few levels [18:43:07] foks: there were two methodology issues. First, couldn't at least some of those newly registered users who edited only in the strategy consultation be SPAs? Second, couldn't the large number of IP edits have to do with SUL not logging users in when they came from their home wiki onto Meta? [18:43:13] GreenPine: Thanks. [18:43:16] James_F, ^ [18:43:18] Oh. [18:43:19] :D [18:43:42] marktraceur: I think the audience and the tech needs moar karaoke experience ;) [18:43:50] zeljkof-meeting: +1 [18:43:55] GreenPine: I'm going to replace "SPA" with "troll" in asking; OK? [18:44:06] GreenPine: Because "that word does not mean what you think it means" applies. :-) [18:44:07] Um, SPA != troll [18:44:13] Q: What was the goal of this consultation? Now that it is over, do you feel that community consultation is a good strategy for achieving your goals? Do you think we should pursue this methodology again? [18:44:19] GreenPine: "SPA" is a piece of jargon that most might not understand. [18:44:28] GreenPine, can you think of a word that reflects what you mean by "SPA"? :P [18:44:30] GreenPine: Given the choice between nuance and understandability, I'd go with understandability. [18:44:30] Well, then, the question is vacuous. People who've done only one thing are, yes, people who've done only one thing. [18:44:31] OK, "single-purpose account" [18:44:33] zeljkof-meeting: We all do. [18:44:40] GreenPine: That doesn't help. [18:44:49] I don't see the issue with SPAs, given anons are allowed too. [18:45:05] Audio better from audience now, thanks [18:45:08] foks: I don't mind their participation, I do have issues with the analysis if it doesn't take that into account [18:45:10] A single purpose account is a person who registers and edits with exactly one agenda in mind. It's a loaded term in my opinion but people use it. [18:45:20] GreenPine, it specifically does, though [18:45:21] GreenPine: Do you mean "Should we discount comments from people who've not edited otherwise"? [18:45:29] No. [18:45:36] So… what is your question? [18:45:39] "New accounts" were a separate group [18:46:00] Let me think of a simpler way to phrase this, which may take me a minute. [18:46:04] OK. :-) [18:47:04] targeted microsurveys are something we've put as a goal for q1 for reading. we're going to take a careful and tasteful approach [18:47:26] dr0ptp4kt: Interesting. Look forward to the results. [18:47:31] James_F: thanks for that one that you did ask, that's good phrasing and a helpful answer [18:47:32] James_F: I'll talk face-to-face. If there are planned desktop reading improvements I've missed that's good news. [18:47:45] I get so confused that Quim and Kim are pronounced the same. [18:47:53] GreenPine: Of course. [18:48:37] Actually, the more I think about it, I'm not persuaded that those single-edit accounts were SPAs, because I don't know why people would want to do that... [18:48:42] James_F: Abort [18:48:45] Oh well [18:48:47] GreenPine: (I asked you other question already.) [18:48:48] Ha. [18:48:48] too late [18:48:52] :-) [18:49:18] Yeah, I'm thinking along Philippe's lines... not a lot of value in doing it. [18:49:19] James_F: before I forget, thank you for being the voice of irc all the time [18:49:23] OK thanks [18:49:27] What happened to Damon? [18:49:30] zeljkof-meeting: Always. It's my pleasure. [18:49:33] Is that a question we'll ever get an answer to? [18:50:36] James_F: are you coming to wikimania? I would like to buy you a beverage of your choice :) [18:50:41] zeljkof-meeting: I am. [18:50:44] jorm: I'm guessing the silence means no. [18:50:45] Thanks, everyone. [18:50:51] [18:50:53] Quelle suprise. [18:50:54] regarding the apps thing. we now have general high level data on apps usage (pages per session, sessions per month, length of session). users say they want apps, and for sure tasteful presentation of banners could drive downloads. but we need to follow the usage trends more closely for a bit and we need to implement a retention EL feature also to get a [18:50:54] better sense of what actually happens when users download apps...do they keep it installed and keep using it, etc. [18:51:01] Didn't Philippe say that Lila was going to speak after him? [18:51:12] Or maybe I misunderstood. [18:51:43] guillom: That's what I heard too. [18:51:44] guillom: that’s what I thought too [18:51:50] Wait what? No Lila? And Damon question not answered? [18:52:17] What's Damon question? [18:52:22] halfak: Did Damon leave? [18:53:02] guillom: Also what I understood [18:53:17] Weird. [18:53:38] it is strange that metrics meetings end early these days... [18:54:19] marktraceur guillom Maybe the conversation continues as they move forward to the kitchen and thai food [18:54:21] zeljkof-away: rumors of lunch persuade people to end meetings early. [18:54:41] JeanFred: Yay remote employee inclusion [18:55:15] I like to envision a chair-throwing brawl happening just off camera and someone making a vigorous ‘cut’ gesture just before the meeting ends abruptly. [18:56:00] Seems most likely that Philippe was just mistaken. [18:56:37] andrewbogott: no, it's a vast conspiracy to withhold information from marktraceur [18:56:48]