[16:00:33] <jzerebec1i>	 zeljkof: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/247901/
[16:04:07] <zeljkof>	 #startmeeting browser tests weekly triage meeting
[16:04:07] <wm-labs-meetbot>	 Meeting started Tue Nov  3 16:04:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is zeljkof. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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[16:04:08] <wm-labs-meetbot>	 The meeting name has been set to 'browser_tests_weekly_triage_meeting'
[16:04:19] <zeljkof>	 #topic introduction
[16:04:29] <zeljkof>	 #link the meeting on google hangouts https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/wikimedia.org/btest-triage
[16:04:34] <jzerebecki>	 o/
[16:04:37] <zeljkof>	 #link meeting notes https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Quality_Assurance/Browser_testing/Meetings/Notes
[16:04:43] <zeljkof>	 #link browser tests phabricator board https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/browser-tests/
[16:06:03] <zeljkof>	 #topic Selenium connection to headless Firefox failing
[16:06:18] <zeljkof>	 #link https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T116166
[16:06:25] <jzerebecki>	 #link http://raita.wmflabs.org/#projects/https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fwmde%2FWikidataBrowserTests.git/builds/lvOxGqnKTwmPAu3ctkIovg example of failure
[16:06:43] <jzerebecki>	 unable to obtain stable firefox connection in 60 seconds
[16:08:35] <jzerebecki>	 Connection refused - connect(2) (Errno::ECONNREFUSED)
[16:10:44] <marxarelli>	 #link https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/browsertests-Wikidata-WikidataTests-linux-firefox-sauce/413/consoleFull
[16:22:41] <jzerebecki>	 try to do the same as the gerrit triggered build, see mw-set-env-mw-selenium.sh in jenkins repo
[16:22:58] <zeljkof>	 #action jzerebecki will try to do the same as the gerrit triggered build, see mw-set-env-mw-selenium.sh in jenkins repo
[16:23:26] <zeljkof>	 #topic some triage happened at browser tests board
[16:23:32] <zeljkof>	 #link https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/browser-tests/
[16:35:29] <zeljkof>	 #topic triaging MediaWiki bug column
[16:40:11] <zeljkof>	 #topic split browser-tests project to browser-tests-infrastructure and browser-tests tag
[16:41:46] <zeljkof>	 in short, tasks from MediaWiki feature and MediaWiki bug columns would go to the new browser-tests tag
[16:42:07] <zeljkof>	 and current browser-tests project would be renamed to browser-tests-infrastructure
[16:42:45] <marxarelli>	 #link https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Project_management#Types_of_Projects
[16:42:55] <zeljkof>	 #action zeljkof will take care of renaming the existing project and creating the new one
[16:43:53] <zeljkof>	 #topic triaging MediaWiki bug column
[16:44:47] <zeljkof>	 #action marxarelli will ping collaboration people asking if flow tasks are still valid
[16:45:37] <jzerebecki>	 btw. here it describes what you need to do to create the new project https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Creating_and_renaming_projects#New_projects
[16:51:28] <zeljkof>	 #link https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/query/advanced/
[16:52:32] <zeljkof>	 #link https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/query/xlA7H.o2KPfe/#R
[16:52:43] <zeljkof>	 all tasks in both flow and browser tests
[16:53:18] <zeljkof>	 #endmeeting
[16:53:18] <wm-labs-meetbot>	 Meeting ended Tue Nov  3 16:53:18 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
[16:53:18] <wm-labs-meetbot>	 Minutes:        https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2015/wikimedia-office.2015-11-03-16.04.html
[16:53:18] <wm-labs-meetbot>	 Minutes (text): https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2015/wikimedia-office.2015-11-03-16.04.txt
[16:53:18] <wm-labs-meetbot>	 Minutes (wiki): https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2015/wikimedia-office.2015-11-03-16.04.wiki
[16:53:19] <wm-labs-meetbot>	 Log:            https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2015/wikimedia-office.2015-11-03-16.04.log.html
[17:41:28] <dynosaur>	 tech talk in 20 min
[18:00:17] <spagewmf>	 dynosaur: should remote people join  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/wikimedia.org/tech-talk-the?authuser=0&hceid=d2lraW1lZGlhLm9yZ18xZ2hra2Y1YmpsNHJlazlrdXNpcGZzdm4yMEBncm91cC5jYWxlbmRhci5nb29nbGUuY29t.f6ib4o04kfdkqcirohja91qfbk or watch the YouTube?
[18:01:16] <dynosaur>	 starting in a few moments
[18:01:33] <dynosaur>	 The YouTube channel will work for people
[18:01:42] <cursive>	 :P
[18:01:53] <spagewmf>	 dynosaur: milimetric and I are in the video call
[18:04:01] <dynosaur>	 sorry for the delay, just a few tech issues to work through and we will start
[18:09:12] <dynosaur>	 still working on the issues, will let everyone know when we are starting
[18:09:50] <spagewmf>	 dynosaur: should we kibitz here or in the Plus Hangout ? I guess neither makes it to the YouTube
[18:10:12] <dynosaur>	 Here
[18:10:20] <dynosaur>	 there will be people following on youtube
[18:10:24] <dynosaur>	 who will be in here
[18:10:54] <spagewmf>	 thx
[18:14:00] <dynosaur>	 still having computer issues
[18:14:29] <joakino>	 i'm on youtube waiting, ping me if you need verification that it works
[18:14:44] <thedj>	 i have both on
[18:14:48] <violetto>	 me too waiting
[18:17:05] <dynosaur>	 almost ready, sorry guys
[18:19:33] <spagewmf>	 so many skins!
[18:19:54] <dynosaur>	 We have just started
[18:19:55] <dynosaur>	 :)
[18:20:24] <legoktm>	 yay!
[18:20:29] <thedj>	 yeah we hear u !
[18:20:44] <brion>	 \o/
[18:20:44] <violetto>	 yay
[18:21:30] <dynosaur>	 This is RobLa talking
[18:21:32] <spagewmf>	 Winter prototype http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/
[18:22:13] <bawolff>	 Standard forever!
[18:22:21] <spagewmf>	 but you can't choose Minerva in Special:Preferences
[18:23:43] <spagewmf>	 did Brandon publish the source code for Winter anywhere?
[18:24:12] <joakino>	 can we use wikiwand as a prototype> hehe
[18:24:40] <quiddity>	 spagewmf, yes, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
[18:24:49] <spagewmf>	 skins/Example
[18:24:53] <dynosaur>	 if you have questions that you want me to ask just ping me first and I will ask :)
[18:28:15] <legoktm>	 Timless is already in gerrit
[18:28:25] <legoktm>	 mediawiki/skins/Timeless
[18:28:32] <spagewmf>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/projects/mediawiki/skins/Timeless,dashboards/default
[18:28:37] <legoktm>	 robla: ^^
[18:28:50] <Lcawte>	 Too fast :(
[18:29:21] <spagewmf>	 whoever added `composer test` and `npm test` to skins/Example, I <3 you
[18:33:19] * Lcawte waits to see if the stream switches to the browser
[18:33:35] <violetto>	 dynosaur: can you switch the screen to the browser?
[18:34:06] <dynosaur>	 yes
[18:34:30] <violetto>	 spagewmf: source code for winter: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/winter
[18:34:37] <violetto>	 ttps://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/winter/snowflakes
[18:34:47] <violetto>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/winter/snowflakes
[18:38:39] * bawolff thought people had plans to try to make apex default
[18:46:37] <bawolff>	 The other day someone said in #mediawiki said we had good documentation. Now I'm hearing wordpress is better skining then mediawiki. I think I might be in bizaro world
[18:48:38] <spagewmf>	 bawolff: my expensive PR astroturfing campaign is working :)
[18:48:56] <mutante>	 heh, bawolff, how about copying the business model of vip.wordpress.com for MW and revenue  :) j/k
[18:50:20] <bd808>	 mutante: I actually personally don't think that is a horrible idea
[18:50:43] <Emufarmers>	 MediaWiki Foundation!!
[18:51:58] <bd808>	 Emufarmers: eloquence wanted to call it the "Wiki Tech Foundation" ;)
[18:52:01] <legoktm>	 Isarra: composer update!!
[18:53:23] <bawolff>	 Wikimediawiki foundation!
[18:54:28] <JohnFLewis>	 Mediawikiwiki Foundation!
[18:55:57] <spagewmf>	 I installed it, ?useskin=timeless works locally. The serif fixed header gives a different feel
[18:56:37] <dynosaur>	 questions?
[18:56:47] <dynosaur>	 we are wrapping up
[18:58:16] <mutante>	 bd808: yes, there is an actual need for enterprise mediawiki support
[18:59:49] <Lcawte>	 No classes! Rewrite MediaWiki to be entirely procedural!
[19:00:12] <bawolff>	 Lcawte: Download the original version. Lot less classes
[19:00:20] <bawolff>	 Special pages used to be just functions!
[19:00:28] <Lcawte>	 O_O
[19:03:10] * bawolff never understood wtf is with get()/set() in skins, and totally overriding ->msg()
[19:03:19] <bawolff>	 its crazy
[19:04:20] <legoktm>	 bawolff: I think QuickTemplate::msg() predates IContextSource::msg() ?
[19:04:37] <bawolff>	 probably by several years
[19:04:57] <violetto>	 awesome work Isarra
[19:04:58] <bawolff>	 This all probably dates back to PHPTal or whatever its called
[19:04:59] <legoktm>	 thanks Isarra, that was pretty interesting :)
[19:05:07] <bawolff>	 thanks Isarra
[19:05:13] <bd808>	 \o/ Isarra
[19:05:23] <dynosaur>	 Thanks everyone, thanks Isarra ! :)
[19:10:26] <Isarra>	 Aaaaagh.
[19:10:30] <Isarra>	 legoktm: What?
[19:10:47] <Isarra>	 Thanks, guys.
[19:10:55] <Isarra>	 That was... um... sorry it was so disorganised. >.<
[19:11:02] <legoktm>	 Isarra: the undefined function error you saw is because you haven't run composer update or git pull mediawiki/vendor recently
[19:11:12] <Isarra>	 Oh, yeah. >.>
[19:12:29] <Isarra>	 bawolff: Yeah, the get, set, html stuff is just awful.
[19:12:44] <Isarra>	 But if you can do a thing to getCategories or getContent or whatever, that would be cool.
[19:12:51] <Isarra>	 Since that stuff ain't msg-y at all.
[19:13:11] <Isarra>	 And yeah, I use getMsg because it's the skin equivalent of msg in everything else, right?
[19:17:05] <legoktm>	 yeah
[19:18:08] <saper>	 ouch I'm late
[19:18:15] * Lcawte starts adding hooks absolutely everywhere!
[19:18:53] <Isarra>	 I'm not sure that's really the solution. >.<
[19:21:08] <Isarra>	 Oh, related to the tech talk - a proposal to discuss the skin creation process at the developer summit. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114071
[19:21:30] <saper>	 did you start already?
[19:21:30] <Isarra>	 I'ma be adding some stuff to it with specifics and whatnot in the next few days probably, but if anyone's interested, pleeeease comment.
[19:21:57] <Isarra>	 Yeah, it happened. You can now watch the incredibly embarassing recording.
[19:22:09] <Isarra>	 (Feel free to still ask whatever, though. Sorry!)
[19:28:00] * Isarra runs around flailing.
[19:30:53] <Volker_E>	 thanks Isarra for that perspective!
[19:31:59] <saper>	 I miss MyWiki skin for quick experimenting
[19:33:03] <Isarra>	 Clearly we need to replace it.
[19:33:09] <Isarra>	 With a Skin:MotherFuckingWebsite.
[19:33:32] <saper>	 not in Gerrit?!! :)
[19:33:47] <saper>	 how did you manage to do any useful work without Gerrit?
[19:37:05] <Isarra>	 What's not in gerrit?
[20:09:28] <saper>	 thank you very much !!