[02:39:04] James_F|Away: trying to read http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34719569 without laughing [18:36:50] * varnent sets up popcorn stand [18:47:55] Looking forward to hearing los capitanes today ;) [18:57:06] * James_F waves. [18:57:30] <_joe_> can we get the yt stream as soon as the metrics meeting begins [18:57:54] _joe_: There you are. [18:58:08] <_joe_> James_F: \o/ [18:58:09] Thanks James!! [18:58:11] * Niharika waves from office! [18:58:11] Hello! [18:58:20] Always happy to help. [18:58:26] I'm the IRC-factotum yet again. [18:58:34] As always, any questions you might have, please shout them out there. [18:58:36] Err. [18:58:37] Here. [18:58:46] But not vocally. [18:58:56] <_joe_> SHOULD I SHOUT THEM LIKE THIS? :P [18:58:57] I'll answer them, others will, and/or I'll proxy them for you at the question period, towards the end of the session. [18:59:05] Noice. [18:59:06] _joe_: Whatever gets you through the day. [18:59:26] 30 seconds [18:59:46] :) [19:00:19] And we're go. [19:00:47] just started remote too [19:00:53] Excellent, thanks. [19:01:07] i see stuff on youtube \o/ [19:01:13] Livestream is now on and working. thanks. [19:01:55] Was that a name caption? [19:02:05] Which name? [19:02:11] Jakes [19:02:26] The Wikimedia Foundation considers San Francisco to be a state. [19:02:32] Heh [19:02:35] I didn't see, sorry. [19:02:40] it's a state of mind [19:03:01] Oh yeah, Jimmy's there. [19:03:21] Job openings used to say "in the bay area". So "SF" is an improvement :-) [19:03:30] can't connect :( [19:05:02] introduce people by their full name and department! Who is this "Jimmy"? Not on the https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors page ... [19:05:12] harej: in that case, we must also consider poland a state :P [19:05:28] Wittylama: :D [19:05:30] ho [19:05:32] *hi [19:06:21] This is probably my favorite illegal photo of the Eiffel tower. ;) [19:06:44] Oops. Connection cut [19:06:53] oh, we're good [19:06:54] it came back for me [19:07:07] Go jeevan!! [19:07:49] +1 to improved culture and respect, and discovering new species! [19:07:58] \o/ [19:08:52] That's really awesome. [19:08:54] http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/06/25/biological-diversity-jeevan-jose/ , greatest WMF blog post evarr [19:08:55] Wikimedia Serbia has a project proposal in their APG application specifically for photographing dragonflies - called "wiki loves dragonflies" (what else!) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2015-2016_round1/Wikimedia_Serbia/Proposal_form#Wiki_Loves_Dragonflies [19:09:13] wiki loves standardized campaign names [19:09:20] ha [19:10:10] Wiki loves not using "wikipedia" or "wikimedia" to avoid trademark process. ;) [19:10:49] (as an officer of Wikimedia DC, I already have permission!) [19:11:11] she is an electrical engineer :) [19:11:14] Harej - you're partly to blame for that, Mr. Wikiproject X! :-) [19:11:26] Doesn't fit the standard. ;) [19:11:30] What did I miss [19:12:13] marktraceur, a new species and chatting with the King of Spain. [19:12:16] Among other things. [19:12:28] Great stories, I love it! [19:12:31] Not Jimmy talking to the king, the guy who discovered the new species. [19:12:47] God damn it, distracting work, you make me miss the interesting stuff [19:12:55] awight, +1 [19:13:03] marktraceur: That product manager you have is such a slave driver, right? [19:13:35] king of spain? i heard he works at the pizza pizza [19:14:03] James_F: The worst pretty much [19:14:12] Lionel Allorge!! [19:14:17] Gimli! [19:14:44] haha [19:14:50] What a great blog post on this man. https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/09/18/drone-photography-of-versailles/ [19:14:55] Did anyone catch the name of the newly discovered species? [19:15:28] Ainali: I don't think it was said. [19:15:40] Ainali: it's mentioned in the blog post http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/06/25/biological-diversity-jeevan-jose/ [19:15:42] Does anyone know it? Wikidata item link preferred. [19:15:59] Aha, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2498888 [19:16:07] no wait... that's another species [19:16:07] darn [19:16:11] Speaking of awesome aerial photography: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Projekt_Hei%C3%9Fluftballon [19:16:31] or is it [19:16:38] * brion gives up. knowledge is hard [19:16:39] where are the other 98 ? [19:17:08] :) [19:17:20] press play on the video: [19:17:22] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/09/18/drone-photography-of-versailles/ [19:17:22] "Everybody was pleased with what we did, especially the people [who run the Palace of Versailles]" [19:18:09] victorgrigas: Nice. Thanks. [19:18:45] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Drone_Photography_of_Versailles_-_Lionel_Allorge.webm [19:19:17] "Superprotect is gone!" *fireworks* [19:19:29] <_joe_> brion: was that one of the drone videos that we couldn't convert with the old ffmpeg? [19:19:48] It's such a 'touchstone' issue. [19:20:12] _joe_: not that one i don't think [19:20:28] <_joe_> brion: heh, I remember a drone video, not much more [19:20:57] <_joe_> but this is drone photography, right [19:21:11] What time should I mark my calendar for? :) [19:21:13] so with superprotect gone, what's our plan for dealing with abuse of admin powers to damage the wiki? just manual desysoping & revert? [19:21:29] "Yan and Siko" I know Siko, who is Jan? Full names FFS [19:21:35] I see nothign on the WMF calendar [19:21:38] brion, Wikimedia processes! [19:21:55] Jan Ainali and Siko Bouterse, I think [19:22:03] qgil_: those won't function if the wiki's broken by sufficiently troublesome admin-written JS [19:22:21] we would still need a technical solution [19:22:47] spagewmf: it was Yana Welinder [19:22:53] brion, happy to discuss at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:WMF_Product_Development_Process/2015-11-05 [19:22:55] As a Wikipedia admin I am not opposed to eliminating .js and .css files from MediaWiki space altogether [19:22:59] Yeah, not me :) [19:23:04] harej slaporte thanks. But presenters shouldn't make us guess [19:23:06] brion, all of the key tools work without JS as far as I know. [19:23:11] harej, no more gadgets? [19:23:18] How are we going to get community feedback by... Nov? [19:23:18] harej, as a Wikipedia admin I do. Per halfak. [19:23:18] Jan, Yana, sound similar! [19:23:27] Unless there's a replacement location. [19:23:37] matt_flaschen, halfak: gadgets are fine. I mean Common.js/.css and such [19:23:44] harej: Both Swedes too :) [19:24:01] harej, I like being able to develop my own gadgets and turn off the banners. [19:24:14] Or the site-wide ones? [19:24:15] reminds me, i would love to get interested folks to talk about safer, more restricted gadget APIs that would provide extensibility without risking functionality and security of the wiki itself [19:24:16] i bring it up every couple years and wikimania but nobody's biting yet ;) [19:24:18] There's a prefs gadget for banners. [19:24:28] "freely" isn't emphasized? [19:24:30] But harej is talking about the sitewide ones. [19:24:43] halfak, only the site-wide ones are technially gadgets. [19:24:44] Pet peeve [19:24:54] Along with people misspelling technially [19:25:06] matt_flaschen, potato potato [19:25:07] :P [19:25:14] Air. Water. Knowledge. Not getting malaria. [19:25:15] doesn't work as well in text [19:25:18] Air, water, knowledge, wifi. [19:25:26] Shelter? [19:25:28] Anyone [19:25:31] Food? [19:25:32] Depends on climate. [19:25:37] legoktm: yeah I love "share", too--it's so much better than "provide access" or whatev the original quote uses [19:26:05] using logic that knowledge helps you find shelter - couldn’t knowledge help you find water? [19:26:28] "Growth of knowledge" huh [19:26:31] How do we measure that? [19:27:00] We could use epistemetrics. [19:27:12] I assume pillars are parallel and not ranked? [19:27:15] *thats* a fun word to say! [19:27:28] you find a knowledge, you make a mark on the doorframe, the next year you do it again [19:27:28] That was intended to be a made-up word, but someone beat me to it. [19:27:39] :) to heatherw [19:27:40] halfak: we keep updating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge ? ;) [19:27:50] i don't know how to measure it, but i have to believe that going from <1B first world people to several billion is going to increase the speed of knoweldge generation [19:28:18] ebernhardson, content generation, sure. [19:28:29] heatherw: now you're learnings! [19:28:39] ep/is/tem/et/rics [19:28:44] :D [19:28:50] (James == James Alexander; Maggie == Maggie Dennis, FYI.) [19:29:00] Thanks James_F [19:29:05] It's a good thing there's only one James. [19:29:13] * halfak knows the pain of not being the only Aaron [19:29:14] ebernhardson, in terms of people generating knowledge on Wikimedia, 200,000 would be great (anywhere in the world), let alone a billion. [19:29:32] Thankfully there's only one Joe! [19:29:33] +1 to improving trust, safety, and collegiality. Easier said than done, but we have to work on it. [19:29:38] matt_flaschen: perhaps i mis understood the original context, i meant in terms of how the world is outpasing us by generating more knowledge than we can include [19:29:40] foks: Err. Yes. _joe_. [19:29:41] halfak is famous [19:29:41] Oh! [19:29:43] That's me [19:29:49] Aaron Halfaker [19:29:50] :D [19:29:52] James_F, that's the joke. ;) [19:29:57] foks: Ah. [19:30:04] matt_flaschen: so the billion was in reference to the number of people that are moving into the first world within the previous generations and the next few [19:30:06] productize that algorithm already! Here's some money :D [19:30:07] * foks still can't get used to "Aaron" having a long "a". [19:30:26] "our GLAM programs" - I assume she means the community, because WMF does NOT do GLAM. [19:30:26] It's got two of 'em [19:30:33] That's, like, twice as long as one [19:30:35] * brion perks up at notice of video [19:30:41] is video getting some resources this year? [19:30:43] halfak, in Scotland, Aaron = "ah-ron", exclusively [19:30:43] James_F: thanks. this collegial "We're all on a first-name basis and you ought to know James and Maggie" is awful and demoralizing to new staff [19:30:52] ebernhardson, I may have missed part of the context too. [19:31:01] I should pay more attention. :( [19:31:10] Leila Zia [19:31:14] spagewmf: And you are complaining to the wrong person. Shouting into IRC about the actions of people not on IRC isn't making the world better. :-) [19:32:08] James_F: which is why after every meeting I send a private e-mail asking presenters to use full names. It was me who drove Gayle away? [19:32:18] spagewmf: What? [19:32:52] Aren't there SFfice people on IRC? [19:32:55] she couldn't take my whining harangues I guess [19:32:58] * rdaiccherlb waves [19:33:06] Gayle who? [19:33:32] I think we should all just use IRC handles [19:33:38] * foks agreed [19:33:40] unambiguous [19:33:52] How does one pronounce "foks"? [19:33:55] YES! [19:33:59] not everyone uses IRC - sadly :( [19:34:06] spagewmf: I will make a point of using full names (and titles) [19:34:08] halfak, like "fox"! [19:34:09] my "platypus team" meme has finally arrived! [19:34:13] what is this conversation [19:34:14] varnent, that's a bummer and should be remedied [19:34:21] Where to feedback on strategy? [19:34:22] My stream just stopped. [19:34:23] (I don't work for the WMF but I do give presentations from time to time) [19:34:25] * foks creis. [19:34:28] (my little war against the odious corporate "tiger team") [19:34:29] Stream going for me [19:34:29] What is a platypus team?? [19:34:40] Wittylama, a team of egg-laying mammals! [19:34:44] Wittylama: basically - it’s a working committee [19:34:52] Wittylama: see my prev comment [19:34:54] Where do I read more about what participation would look like in the platypus team? [19:34:55] abartov: a team of poisonous marsupials? [19:34:55] abartov, tiger team is unambiguous, though. At least as to whether it's a mammal. [19:34:55] A very shy one? [19:34:59] varnent: Is there a link to the etymology? [19:35:18] As an australian - I approve of the use of this monotreme ;-) [19:35:32] James_F: lol - no clue - working committee -> tiger team -> platypus team [19:35:34] abartov: Surely if you're replacing an alliterative conceit you need to do the same? [19:35:57] abartov: So… platypus party? Pangolin pantheon? [19:36:10] platypus party sounds fun [19:36:19] platypus posse [19:36:33] * abartov scores points for the obscure Domas reference [19:36:33] carving out more time for a plateposse might be challenging [19:36:37] is Lila Tretikov, Executive Director, 's slide deck available anywhere? [19:36:44] *platyposse [19:36:55] spagewmf it will be after the meeting [19:37:03] spagewmf: this one? ^ [19:37:33] spagewmf: It's already uploaded. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMF_Metrics_%26_Activities_Meeting_November_2015_(1).pdf [19:37:39] (Draft version.) [19:37:45] Wow, that's a big deal. [19:38:17] matt_flaschen, what is? [19:38:22] James Forrester, Senior Product Manager (Editing Product Lead), I <3 you [19:38:33] spagewmf: I can't take credit, but sure. :-) [19:38:39] ha [19:38:43] Luis, you're increasingly less loud. [19:38:43] halfak, Serbia made knowledge of how to edit wikis part of their national curriculum. [19:38:57] Oh! I missed that it was curriculum. Cool! Thanks :) [19:39:31] Is the switching back and forth with the camera putting anyone else on edge? [19:39:45] I also see color glitches when it switches inputs. [19:39:58] gotta get the audience reaction! [19:40:08] I like that the slides (vs some a few months ago anyway) - all have attributes on the individual slides rather than all at the end [19:40:15] Congrats to Hindi Wikipedia [19:40:25] a picture in picture might be better, but not sure how to pull that off. [19:40:26] Woo!! [19:40:28] \o/ [19:40:34] heatherw, me [19:40:38] varnent: You say, as the current slide lacks attribution. [19:40:46] esp. since it's like, pink for five seconds [19:41:01] James_F: yeah - it does appear logos still lack attribution [19:41:04] James_F: let's not start that thread again re logos ;) [19:41:11] * James_F grins at greg-g and varnent. [19:41:23] I have! [19:41:26] * varnent runs to hide behind popcorn stand [19:41:35] there was a bet for the 5 mil mark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five-million_pool [19:41:39] what you really need is to just get everyone a vr headset and a 180degree stereo camera :P [19:41:49] (except the resolution still sucks :() [19:41:51] Metrics! Brought to you by technical issues! [19:42:03] Name captions! [19:42:10] Edward ____! [19:42:15] Galvez [19:42:25] Edward Galvez, Survey Specialist, Learning & Evaluation [19:42:31] Oh, his name is on the screen. [19:42:34] , … Earth. [19:42:48] James_F: There are a few interceding things before we get to , Earth [19:42:57] shouldn't be [19:43:02] James_F: and where’s the love for Milky Way, Universe? [19:43:03] we should all be one [19:43:08] Seems like "role" to me more than "community" [19:43:12] O_o [19:43:16] Yeah [19:43:20] greg-g: What is "being a " like? [19:43:27] Yay! [19:43:28] Engage [19:43:35] But if I look up, I can't see! [19:43:39] * matt_flaschen raises hand [19:43:40] o/ [19:43:40] James_F: roses in gun barrels, it's fun [19:43:50] o/ [19:43:54] What happened to having the IRC feed on one of the screens? [19:44:00] well played, EGalvez_ :) [19:44:05] o/ [19:44:10] jaufrecht: It distracted the speakers. [19:44:16] Not fair though. I took classes. [19:44:26] * awight cheers [19:44:27] EGalvez_: I define "pretty good" as "personally approved by Edward Galvez." By that measure I have written pretty good surveys. [19:44:41] EGalvez_ great :) [19:45:22] I did the WMF survey this week about Harassment and it asked me "To what extent are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the following ways of engaging socially with other users?", and then asked me if I was satisfied or dissatisfied with "Having arguments with other users" [19:45:40] It's interesting, but the survey I filed with EGalvez_, we didn't discuss any of those 3 things. [19:45:53] Maybe audience was obvious [19:46:03] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Surveys [19:46:08] surveys@wikimedia.org [19:46:09] yay for survey support desk [19:46:14] bravo! [19:46:24] That's my photo of Keegan! [19:46:26] :D [19:46:32] Metrics at the metrics meeting! [19:46:33] Neil P. Quinn, Product Analyst, Editing, Product, Wikimedia Foundation [19:46:42] Yikes [19:46:52] Wittylama: to be fair i know multiple wikipedians who would explicitly say they like having arguments and believe it helps them and everyone get to a better conclusion [19:46:53] "Google" [19:46:56] harej: Actually, Neil P. Quinn, Product Analyst, Product team, Editing department, Product group, Wikimedia Foundation. [19:47:10] Jamesofur: Tsk, you're meant to be on holiday. [19:47:11] Product within Editing within Product? [19:47:17] Yay! [19:47:18] harej: It's a lovely world. [19:47:27] He said my last name [19:47:31] Jamesofur, a debate can be helpful, approach of participants is very important though. [19:47:36] Jameofur - yeah! "very dissatisfied - they never agree to what I have to say" or "very satisfied - the argument goes on and on, just my type of argument!" [19:47:43] "surviving" [19:47:43] Anyone who wants to refer to me in public is welcome to refer to me as "halfak" [19:47:43] Wittylama: ha [19:47:59] foks, by editing, they prove that they have not died [19:48:02] halfak, "Hahl-fack"? [19:48:07] halfak, haha :D [19:48:15] No no. [19:48:18] "haff-ack" [19:48:27] Oh. Silent L. [19:48:30] But I'll accept "hall-fack" [19:48:34] "halfak" is pronounced "HA! Laf-ack!" [19:48:35] The proportions look constant [19:48:44] James_F, also acceptable [19:48:48] Ha! L'fac! [19:48:52] If you do that with a mic, I'll buy you a beer [19:49:02] halfak: I don't drink. :-) [19:49:24] s/beer/whatever-James_F-likes/ [19:49:24] Yay derivatives! [19:49:31] James_F, no one said you had to drink it. [19:49:34] now you're making your name sound like an insurance commercial [19:49:37] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3K1kN95W/IMG_4685.JPG [19:49:40] -and-is-about-the-price-of-a-beer [19:49:42] James_F: I am, i'm not watching metrics just random chatting and occasionally checking IRC while standing in "Con store line of death" before more disney land see puc of behind me in the line above [19:49:47] You could resell it... [19:49:49] Jamesofur: Enjoy. [19:50:04] can someone please repeat the definition of 'surviving', 'recurring' and 'reactivated' please? I missed it. [19:50:10] This is coool! [19:50:12] halfak: If you have a question for me to ask I can attempt to mis-pronounce your name. :-) [19:50:20] * halfak workes on a Q [19:50:52] Wittylama: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_model [19:50:56] \o/ santhosh [19:50:57] My hypothesis: Japanese Wikipedians delete and revert less? [19:51:07] James_F - ta. [19:51:37] Wittylama: Or https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AWMF_Metrics_%26_Activities_Meeting_November_2015_(1).pdf&page=60 for a single graphical view. [19:51:43] Wittylama, definitions exist here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Modeling_monthly_active_editors [19:51:59] <--- "surviving"? [19:52:22] Wow [19:52:42] "200 articles created every day" "still a beta feature" [19:52:43] my mind is blown [19:53:10] When it's available to all it'll probably be somewhat more used. :-) [19:53:55] I love using the CX tool to discover articles that exist about where I am physically now in non-local languages, but don't exist in the local language. Excellent candidates for translation. [19:54:14] Wittylama, that's very interesting. [19:54:16] gah, deletionism [19:54:28] are there any metrics around "knowledge made available" that go beyond hits? Specifically, e..g., does a new Hindi article share more knowledge than a new Hebrew article? [19:54:37] James_F: But it's also what I love about Wikidata. You don't have to create new content; you just take the existing stuff and you localize it. Less effort, but still a gain. [19:54:37] Also an indication of different culture on English Wikipedia. [19:54:53] Questions? [19:55:04] So, size of potential audience, fraction of that audience that has access to wikipedia (or through syndicators), that actually accesses it, that doesn't have other access? [19:55:07] jaufrecht, What machine translation backends are currently in use? [19:55:09] Any plans for Content Translation and Wikidata? [19:55:17] Whoops, that was for James_F [19:55:25] James_F, amend question, which are the ones coming soon? [19:55:48] Yes there are! [19:55:50] * abartov just demonstrated Content Translation to a vice-rector of a national university, this morning. [19:55:52] What is the schedule for gathering strategy feedback, and will it be considered before this month's potential prioritization party? [19:55:55] For context, for my job I created this dashboard for tracking specific Wikidata label translations. http://tools.wmflabs.org/niosh/wdtranslations.html (takes a long time to load b/c lousy JavaScript). Something like this, but a real application and not a one-off I spent Halloween weekend creating, would be valuable. [19:55:55] matt_flaschen - click on the 'objects 15km around me' link here, once you've chosen your language pair: https://tools.wmflabs.org/not-in-the-other-language/ [19:56:12] matt_flaschen: Thanks! [19:56:24] Matt Flaschen Software Engineer, Collaboration team [19:56:27] harej: Machine translation of Wikidata descriptions? [19:56:34] Thanks, Wittylama [19:56:37] James_F: no, Content Translation for Wikidata descriptions. [19:56:48] harej: Oh, OK. [19:57:03] James_F: I understand it's built into the interface for some extent, but I mean something for explicitly surfacing translation opportunities [19:57:08] * James_F nods. [19:57:17] Also see the Tool Labs thing I linked to [19:57:21] That kinda thing. [19:57:23] there's a project in Wikidata to make articles from wikidata desc a-la reasonator [19:57:29] Wittylama: Don't you have a quesiton ? ;) [19:57:41] Still not happy about idea of using proprietary translation services, even though I understand why it is being considered. [19:57:44] halfak: No question? [19:57:52] Here's a question from IRC - when Lila says "our GLAM programs", that's in the awareness that there are NO WMF GLAM programs. right? [19:57:54] James Hare, Wikipedian in Residence, National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services [19:57:55] @Lila In 2010, the WMF invested ~ $1 million in engaging 1,000 stakeholders to build a five year strategic plan. In 2015, it seems efforts toward a strategic plan is originating within the walls of WMF. Why the change? And -- since you stated that it's important that community members feel a sense of ownership over it -- how do you plan to achieve that without deep engagement? [19:58:08] Magnus Manske's automatic description generator at https://tools.wmflabs.org/autodesc [19:58:36] Wittylama: "Our" means "Wikimedia", surely? [19:58:53] that was my understanding as well [19:59:04] Shift? [19:59:11] I don't know how many languages it supports. Reading team's Dimitry Brant has a fork at https://github.com/dbrant/wikidata-autodesc [19:59:11] Shouldn't we be doing them in parallel? [19:59:14] Wittylama: I don't see a divide. Us vs. them is unhelpful. [19:59:34] James_F didn't sound like it in the context of her presentation, which was about WMF's strategic priorities specifically. not other entitites in the movement. [19:59:42] It's still fair to clarify what WMF is doing vs. chapters. vs. community, even though we're all on the same team. [19:59:43] Wittylama: Funded by WMF? [20:00:04] (Is there a protocol of how I identify my question above was intended for the room, not just discussion here?) [20:00:18] peteforsyth, ping James_F. [20:00:20] peteforsyth, ping it to James_F. [20:00:45] James_F: Pete's Q: @Lila In 2010, the WMF invested ~ $1 million in engaging 1,000 stakeholders to build a five year strategic plan. In 2015, it seems efforts toward a strategic plan is originating within the walls of WMF. Why the change? And -- since you stated that it's important that community members feel a sense of ownership over it -- how do you plan to achieve that without deep engagement? [20:00:48] I did have a question: 11:55 < awight> What is the schedule for gathering strategy feedback, and will it be considered before this month's potential prioritization party? [20:00:57] Thanks James. [20:01:12] Thanks @James_F [20:01:14] Always. [20:01:36] * varnent pondering how one gets their lunch via IRC.. [20:01:39] awight: Oh, sorry. [20:01:48] that was not really the same quesion [20:01:55] +1 [20:01:56] I've been asking that question for a year, don't worry if we don't get to it today ;) [20:02:04] A little too much rephrasing there, James_F [20:02:06] varnent, courier. [20:02:07] !meetbot make me a sandwich ? [20:02:08] Really? [20:02:09] :D [20:02:13] LOL [20:02:31] How? [20:02:41] Don't get me wrong. Thank you very much for delivering questions, but maybe it would be better to read them. [20:02:58] We don't have that time. [20:03:16] Reading epic over-long questions wastes everyone's time. I always shorten them. [20:03:26] +1 halfak, the final part was the important part [20:03:28] Or lengthen when they're too cryptic. [20:03:38] And to add "ums" and "ahs". [20:03:40] :D [20:03:49] foks: It's called "naturalisation". [20:03:54] OK. You' [20:03:55] I don't see how my question was cryptic [20:03:55] peteforsyth: I'm sorry. I didn't see it as missed. [20:03:56] re call [20:04:06] OK, thanks everyone. [20:04:13] I just wouldn't have appreciated that if it were my question [20:04:47]