[00:04:35] <wllm>	 Hi, Wikimedia staff. . .
[00:05:08] <wllm>	 I really think that we should stop associating Wikipedia with most of the IRC channels here. . .
[00:05:23] <wllm>	 Are you aware that they ban anyone they don’t agree with?
[00:05:58] <wllm>	 They hardly hold up the principles of “openness” and “free speech".
[00:06:20] <wllm>	 Actually- and this may surprise you- most of the ops are petty tyrannts.
[00:06:41] <wllm>	 In fact, I was just talking to an op going by James_F. . .
[00:06:48] <wllm>	 Here’s what he said:
[00:07:06] <wllm>	 This is where you insinuate armed insurrection against me
[00:07:31] <wllm>	 armed insurrection against him. . .
[00:07:57] <wllm>	 Or her- maybe it’s a woman- I wouldn’t know. . .
[00:08:47] <wllm>	 But that seems to be the prevailing attitude among ops on these channels. . .
[00:09:00] <wllm>	 Now, please explain to me. . .
[00:09:47] <wllm>	 How in the world are these ops representing the Wikimedia movement? Is this what we’re all about? Dissent is “armed insurrection”?
[00:09:58] <wllm>	 Are we all playing GI Joe or something?
[00:11:50] <wllm>	 Let me make something 100% clear to everyone on this channel. . .
[00:12:01] <wllm>	 Don’t know if you’re all aware. . .
[00:12:10] <wllm>	 But I’m a little tech saavy. . .
[00:12:21] <Jamesofur>	 Wllm, the IRC channels are volunteer run, the Wikimedia staff have no official authority over them (and this channel is just for meetings not like a "WMF Office" channel or something like that). If you want someone responsible for the IRC channels you want the, volunteer, group contacts (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Group_Contacts)
[00:12:32] <wllm>	 Right.
[00:12:40] <wllm>	 Are you going to kick me?
[00:12:53] <wllm>	 Cause that’s the thing. . .
[00:12:55] <Jamesofur>	 No, not at the moment, you're not worth the effort
[00:13:01] <wllm>	 Aha.
[00:13:05] <wllm>	 Funny.
[00:13:19] <Jamesofur>	 I'm sorry, wasn't meant to be
[00:13:39] <wllm>	 Anyways, here’s the thing. . .
[00:13:55] <wllm>	 These channels are currently linked to from the wikipedia.org domain. . .
[00:14:34] <wllm>	 Yet showcase behavior that doesn’t reflect the stated values of the wikimedian community.
[00:15:25] <wllm>	 So, I’m going to make the case that we stop endorsing them in any way.
[00:15:42] <wllm>	 No links off of the wikipedia.org domain. . .
[00:16:02] <wllm>	 No reference on the wikipedia error page. . .
[00:16:07] <Reedy>	 Well, you're more than welcome to do so onwiki
[00:16:11] <James_F>	 wllm: Like the New York Times? :-)
[00:16:32] <wllm>	 If they want to act like petty tyrannts, they can do so without Wikipedia’s support.
[00:16:48] <wllm>	 I’m making the case here.
[00:16:55] <James_F>	 … poorly.
[00:16:59] <Reedy>	 It's not the proper place to do so, either
[00:17:01] <wllm>	 IYO/.
[00:17:05] <wllm>	 Sure.
[00:17:10] <wllm>	 Gonna kick me?
[00:17:27] <wllm>	 Go ahead.
[00:17:28] <Reedy>	 Why, and make you a martyr?
[00:17:46] <Reedy>	 "OMG THEY KICKED ME SO THEY JUST PROVED MY POINT"
[00:17:52] <wllm>	 Please. . .
[00:18:10] <wllm>	 But I’m glad you won’t kick me.
[00:18:21] <RD>	 He won't..
[00:18:30] <wllm>	 Cause they have for saying things the ops didn’t want to hear on the other channels.
[00:18:39] <wllm>	 Go ahead, RD.
[00:18:47] <RD>	 I won't either
[00:18:53] <RD>	 Can't, in fact
[00:18:54] <wllm>	 Yeah.
[00:18:57] <wllm>	 Good.
[00:19:01] <RD>	 Else I would have.
[00:19:03] <wllm>	 Cause you’re one of the worse.
[00:19:03] <Barras2>	 well, but I will kick you
[00:19:07] <RD>	 worst*
[00:19:11] <wllm>	 Sure.
[00:19:54] <Reedy>	 lol.
[00:20:24] <Reedy>	 Has he not got anything better to do?
[00:21:19] * James_F feels sorry for him.
[00:29:46] <JD|cloud>	 Reedy: one of the greatest unsolved problems in the history of the world, indeed