[18:59:44] * James_F waves. [18:59:55] Hey! Any YouTube linkz? [18:59:59] * rfarrand waves [19:00:33] foks: Patience. ;-) [19:00:39] I'll be the IRC person again. [19:00:39] I have none. [19:00:42] Stream should start soon. [19:00:46] Roan is running, and we're live now. [19:00:47] Gosh. [19:00:55] Hi Roan!!!!1 [19:00:58] * marktraceur puts metrics up on his TV [19:01:21] yay i see video [19:01:57] also Welcome Zack in Comms :) [19:01:59] As always, please ask questions as you think of them. [19:02:19] foks: Too late for the slide, I guess? [19:02:30] He joined a few weeks ago [19:02:46] WHOA [19:02:48] foks, should have been there. [19:02:50] (I should know, I've been working on projects with him :D) [19:02:56] Do we have a graphics department now? Geez [19:03:11] foks, maybe you can make sure that Zack gets on the list next time. [19:03:20] Didn't the welcome email just come out? [19:03:42] has anyone been able to get our youtube streams working without flash? [19:03:46] halfak, suuuuperlate. [19:03:52] I vaguely recall that the slides are 'for the month' rather than 'since the last Metrics meeting'. [19:04:03] yeah, what James_F said [19:04:17] pretty sure the anniversaries and join lists are out of HR's system for the calendar month [19:04:35] sorry if I missed this, but why is it called Platypus? [19:04:57] someone said they didn't like tiger teams, so platypus was an alternative [19:04:57] Yeah, let's go into that, because I think Platypus has been internal so far, this is a public meeting [19:05:02] i think that's what asaf said [19:05:37] and to some extent a recognition that it is an odd beast ;) [19:05:42] rfarrand: The story I heard was that Lila was talking to someone about a "tiger team", but he said he wouldn't do a "tiger team" but might do a "platypus team", and Lila ran with the name. [19:05:55] halfak, James_F, lvillaWMF, I *think* he might have actually joined before the last metrics meeting [19:05:59] based on his calendar [19:06:09] Ohhh! [19:06:24] * rdaiccherlb wanders into Metrics a bit late [19:06:35] having trouble joining the hangout for the metrics meeting, what's the YouTube URL? [19:06:41] kaldari: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJCMheaSdbE [19:06:45] thanks [19:06:52] hey all, if you have any AV concerns/troubles/thoughts please direct them to me :) [19:07:09] Thanks, brendan_campbell! [19:07:39] Hey, JeanFred. [19:07:43] thanks brandan. Other than the sound volume going up and down irregularly, it is pretty clear [19:07:46] o/ JeanFred [19:07:47] JeanFred! [19:07:53] o/ eia too! [19:08:06] (Slides coming to Commons soon, sorry.) [19:08:08] (_m_) JeanFred ! [19:08:10] harej! [19:08:27] I missed the first ten minutes. Do we have a strategy yet? [19:08:33] brendan_campbell: Can I just say, I <3 the names on the screen, that's awesome [19:08:35] harej: It's a process. [19:08:43] Names on screen? [19:08:48] James_F, Q for Lila. Why are we so concerned about focus? How do we balance focus and long-term planning with opportunities and adaptability? [19:08:52] cwd: excluding chrome w inbuilt flash is what you're wondering about, right? [19:08:57] halfak: Thanks! [19:08:58] The youtube stream has, like, WMF-branded banners with names on them [19:09:03] It's pretty neat [19:09:03] marktraceur: Gosh. [19:09:05] thanks! [19:09:06] * JeanFred waves at rfarrand guillom James_F eia and all [19:09:10] That sounds very cool. [19:09:13] brendan_campbell: the YouTube showed me an invite to join the Hangouts on Air, I did so, is that a problem? [19:09:26] wikisource ! [19:09:27] I was at Wikisource, it was in Austria put on by WMAT because the slide does not say that [19:09:27] yeah no worries spagewmf [19:09:38] o/ Pyb [19:09:48] dr0ptp4kt_: i have chromium and FF w/o flash [19:10:26] rfarrand: Good notice ;) [19:10:27] was hoping to keep binary chrome off the system, but is that the only way? [19:10:53] cwd: hardcore! yeah, i dunno. there may be some sites that transcode into a less unencumbered file format, but i wonder if any support live streaming. [19:11:26] Laser pointers don't work on the stream! [19:11:42] cwd: i can't sign anyone up for more work, but it is possible to export videos from yt and transcode them. but that's after the fact, i guess [19:11:50] halfak: I know. I'm in the room and don't know what he pointed to either, though. [19:11:58] ha! [19:12:04] he pointed at the 54% [19:12:04] cwd, you can probably watch it in HTML5 after the stream (not positive) even before it gets to Commons (I think they always go on Commons now, though). [19:12:12] Ah, thanks rfarrand. [19:12:13] guillom talk online excellent [19:12:16] guillom, props dude. Excellent talk. Awesome topic and approach. :D [19:12:27] harej!!!!! [19:12:29] on TV :) [19:12:33] harej! [19:12:37] * guillom didn't know he would "be on TV' today. [19:12:40] matt_flaschen: good point. it seems like html5 usually works in for example firefox w/out plugins [19:12:42] lol [19:12:56] Hey harej! :D [19:13:05] matt_flaschen: dr0ptp4kt_, yep regular youtube works fine w html5, i thought streams were supposed to do, but oh well. i'll download chrome, can't miss every metric s meeting. thanks! [19:13:10] WMDC === harej [19:13:32] spagewmf: halfak: Thanks :) [19:13:42] how does it feel, harej? [19:14:01] if we do present to the Senate, I understand bringing a snowball helps [19:14:05] * harej would like to give credit to Wikimedia DC's public policy team: https://wikimediadc.org/wiki/Committees#Public_Policy [19:14:16] milimetric, I've got lots of snowballs I can bring. [19:14:29] (Right now I have one question, from halfak for Lila; any others as we go?) [19:15:00] * yuvipanda still has to see snow [19:15:01] James_F, what does procedure for communicating with German-speaking people (or whatever the chapters slide said), mean exactly? [19:15:08] milimetric, don't get that reference, but kind of want to. ;) [19:15:19] Props to Ukranian Wikipedia. [19:15:42] matt_flaschen: Cool, will ask. [19:16:01] matt_flaschen, remember the senator who tried to claim global warming wasn't a thing because he could make a snowball? [19:16:02] milimetric, http://assets.amuniversal.com/f142bb10e0680131732c005056a9545d ? [19:16:04] Teahouse! [19:16:18] Now hearing from J-Mo. [19:16:22] foks, oh, yeah, now you mention it. [19:16:25] :D [19:16:25] quiddity: matt_flaschen: no! Inhoffe! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E0a_60PMR8 [19:17:16] hit F11 [19:17:22] * yuvipanda woke up in time for J-Mo [19:17:24] yurik: He can't see you. [19:17:37] yurik: sadly F11 does some other insane thing on Mac [19:17:47] * yurik doesn't like macs [19:17:50] yurik: (And he won't do that, because as he said he wants to see his other window for notes too.) [19:17:54] I've messaged him gently about it [19:18:09] Sadly Google Sheets doesn't support two-screen very well. [19:18:09] James_F, wouldn't he still see them? [19:18:14] bleh [19:18:29] it's ok this way we can read his bookmarks :P [19:18:59] heh [19:19:00] It's interactive. [19:19:03] Send him an e-mail. [19:19:09] What do you think is under "Persihables"? [19:19:11] The number in his GMail tab will go up. [19:19:16] James_F, it would be interactive if we could click his bookmarks [19:19:17] only 6 unread emails - that is pretty impressive [19:19:35] i see everyone pays close attention [19:19:37] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3ATeahouse [19:19:38] to the speech [19:20:09] I read 'WMF' as 'WTF' [19:20:33] Wooo! Cheers to Teahouse Hosts! You folks are awesome! [19:20:40] what halfak said [19:21:16] what lvillaWMF said [19:21:18] * yurik gets yuvipanda new beer goggles [19:21:28] >:) [19:22:00] o/ Hello from the WMUK office. We're watching live here. [19:22:12] Krinkle: Hello. Any questions? [19:22:14] (With beer and pizza) [19:22:18] Which Aaron? [19:22:19] ;) [19:23:05] Krinkle :) [19:23:14] Hm, that makes me a little uncomfortable. [19:23:28] foks, what does? [19:23:29] That we didn't invite them to the Teahouse so they could form a control group. [19:23:38] foks, yeah. Ask a question about that. [19:23:43] We think about that very carefully. [19:23:50] Oh, I don't doubt that [19:24:06] It's a really important topic to discuss :) [19:24:10] I guess it's the old adage of "maybe there's an Einstein somewhere in Africa". [19:24:12] * James_F awaits a question. [19:24:28] foks, ^ [19:25:12] will there be time for questions? [19:25:15] James_F, okay, fine. :P Isn't it unfair to not invite potentially great editors to the Teahouse just so they might form a control group for this study? [19:25:23] That's the best way I can phrase. [19:25:24] foks, they have other resources (e.g. Help desk), and can still find the Teahouse on their own. It seems ethical to me. [19:25:24] James_F: are you taking questions now already? [19:25:32] matt_flaschen, perhaps. [19:25:37] ori: Always. I'll ask them at the end in the Q&A session. [19:25:49] foks, fine framing IMO [19:26:00] As I say. I'm sure you think this stuff through. [19:26:02] :) [19:26:20] Also, this seems like quite an impact. Congrats to people who work and worked on the Teahouse. [19:26:34] foks: Is it ethical to give placebos to sick people in a control group when they could be getting a drug to cure them? [19:27:04] guillom, that's slightly different, knowing that placebos have a psychological impact that this doesn't. [19:27:24] :P [19:27:26] I have a more general question about whether retention is all that important (compared to e.g. helping editors be more effective/efficient, or guiding them to make better edits). [19:27:37] * foks nods. [19:27:39] Another angle, yeah. [19:27:47] But I can't ask questions because I'm the neutral IRC person. [19:27:51] foks: I won't follow you there :p [19:28:10] how does WP:Teahouse add the << Join this discussion? to the page? I don't see it in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js [19:28:13] James_F: You can get up and ask your question from the standing microphone! [19:28:16] guillom, well, it's like - if they're not invited to the Teahouse, will they think they're part of the Teahouse anyway? [19:28:19] foks: guillom http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8942043 not necessarily (re: placebo impact) [19:28:38] (^ not a question for the room, just curious) [19:28:38] guillom: I can't mix my questions and other people's. It'd be an abuse of my power as a semi-facilitator. [19:28:39] James_F, if you don't ask, I'm going to ask it to myself. [19:28:58] halfak: Do you have a preferred wording? [19:29:00] spagewmf, it's a gadget that's enabled globally. [19:29:03] yuvipanda, heh, touché. [19:29:13] James_F, you're allowed to ask. :) [19:29:17] James_F, your wording was nice. [19:29:19] spagewmf: It adds code payload to every user. [19:29:29] James_F, yes it does :( [19:29:30] Meh. OK, I'll ask it 'as me'. [19:29:32] Just don't overdo it. :) [19:29:33] Editors on Wikipedia change the help pages all the time [19:29:38] It's really hard to find. [19:29:39] It would be great if we could use Flow. [19:29:54] *hint hint* [19:29:57] are you sure you want to do that James_F ?! [19:30:00] James_F: Q: [19:30:02] * James_F grins. [19:30:03] The Teahouse is "at least as much about people as it is about techonology". How do you know? The Teahouse treatment is many things -- an invitation to participate, a safe space, a chance to ask questions and get answers, a portal to the Wikipedia Adventure, an opportunity to attach a face and a biographical blurb to other editors, and so on. How can we scale it unless we know which properties of the Teahouse are responsible [19:30:03] for the effect that you observed? [19:30:12] ori, Q? ^ [19:30:17] James_F, ^ [19:30:21] Thanks ori. [19:30:34] On Labs they have surfaced ElasticSearch and you can search this and create a Stack Overflow-like service [19:30:43] I love Stack Overflow. A Stack Overflow for wiki editing would be great. [19:30:46] boom elasticsearch! :D [19:30:47] yeah [19:30:52] askbot, tho [19:30:57] not building a custom service [19:30:59] please :) [19:31:02] harej: Can you give a link? [19:31:09] To Stack Overflow? [19:31:13] lvillaWMF: it's to search all the existing questions that already exist on wiki. [19:31:16] Help documentation is by definition, not helpful to newbies, b/c written by veterans [19:31:16] yuvipanda will be able to tell you about elastic search [19:31:19] To the Labs thing? Or is it theoretical? [19:31:22] ori, where does the Teahouse link to The Wikipedia Adventure. [19:31:33] jane023: I disagree somewhat. [19:31:40] jane023, how is that by definition? A lot fo the teahouse answers are also written by veterans. [19:31:43] only somewhat? cool [19:31:47] J-Mo, you have such a smooth voice. [19:31:48] matt_flaschen: There's a link on the question page [19:31:53] James_F: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120040 is the closest link [19:31:58] yuvipanda: search over unstructured, unscored data is unlikely to be very successful, I would think? [19:32:00] Some help docs are written very well, others are not, it's not by definition. [19:32:02] teahouse answers are not help documentation [19:32:07] matt_flaschen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions [19:32:11] Roan is law [19:32:11] lvillaWMF: we'll find out once we do it, I guess :) [19:32:26] what you and I perceive as good may be a foreign language to newbies [19:32:35] lvillaWMF: and not unstructured, no. has enough structure to split questions vs answers. [19:32:36] I assume other wikis have similar efforts for new users, is there a meta page about new user welcome efforts? [19:33:00] yuvipanda: Interesting. [19:33:07] jane023, I'm not saying that all help documentation is helpful to newbies. But there is no "definition" that makes it unhelpful, and I know from when I was a newbie that some of it is helpful. [19:33:19] seems like it'd be a better use of very finite resources to install a tool designed for that purpose; though I suspect we'll know more after http://ask.wikiedu.org/questions/ has had a few months of data [19:33:25] halfak: your chat comments are appearing on the presentation j-mo [19:33:27] no we have been arguing about launching/not launching a teahouse on nlwiki for 2+ years [19:33:31] fyi [19:33:39] I'm wondering -- is the 16% growth enough to also test the other goals that were mentioned for the Teahouse, like increasing diversity? and if so -- did it? [19:33:41] atgomez, woops. Thanks. Will not do that anymore. [19:34:02] when you were a newbie the documentation was more in line with reality [19:34:09] mooeypoo, ping James_F with questions [19:34:15] Yeah, I saw. In the queue. [19:34:25] lvillaWMF: :) also that solution is a boil the ocean type 'switch to a completely different off wiki solution'. Far more work than a couple of days with ES. While technically a better solution, all of this technical work is done solely by volunteers (like me), so... [19:34:26] If we don't get to them today, chase us down in #wikimedia-research later :) [19:34:47] findbility of help pages is also sub-optimal [19:34:51] (I have a question from halfak for Lila; one from matt_flaschen for Luis, and ones from me, foks, ori and mooeypoo for J-Mo). [19:34:55] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Team/RESTBase_services_for_apps [19:35:29] James_F: what is the question for me? (I can answer with a mic, but if I can see it now I might give a more coherent answer :) [19:35:50] lvillaWMF: "What does procedure for communicating with German-speaking people (or whatever the chapters slide said), mean exactly?" [19:36:51] sample API URL https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/mobile-sections/Albert%20Einstein [19:36:57] spagewmf: Thank you. [19:36:58] Link previews are an AWESOME idea. [19:37:04] oooh cursing in the church! "you don't have to read the whole article". how daring! [19:37:10] James_F, Q for Dmity: Any user-testing of those link preview changes? If so, how are the results? [19:37:21] yes +1000 for previews [19:37:27] This is not an official question, but does anyone remember if Android app has tabs/windows to have multiple open? [19:37:41] foks: link previews are like Hovercards/Popups Beta feature [19:37:42] matt_flaschen: yeah it has tabs [19:37:42] matt_flaschen: It does. [19:37:47] And it's awesome. [19:37:50] halfak: Thanks. [19:38:09] spagewmf, on mobile I think it'll have a better flow [19:38:14] I think ios is working on tabs in their alpha channel [19:38:15] halfak: there was field research as i recall. abbey can maybe answer to that [19:38:20] matt_flaschen: You can see the tab icon between "Search Wikipedia" and the hamburger icon. [19:38:22] I use Popups to do adminy things. [19:38:26] Well, dot-hamburger icon. [19:38:32] dbrant|mtg: this looks awesome [19:38:32] Yes, more Wiktionary integration. :) [19:38:34] foks: Use Hovercards, it's much nicer. [19:38:42] +2000 for directions - this will be great for Wiki Takes [19:38:42] (on the right) [19:38:44] It's not. [19:38:46] :) [19:38:54] bd808: do you know if someone has filed a feature request for swipe-to-close in the app? [19:38:55] foks: oh yeah. I think MobileFrontend might be adding something like it. [19:38:58] dr0ptp4kt_, cool. It seems like something that would benefit a lot from user-testing iterations. [19:39:09] lvillaWMF: no idea [19:39:12] spagewmf: You mean, "The Web team"? ;_) [19:39:27] Given that link previews are a new interaction pattern -- we can't draw from best practices as easily. [19:39:45] Congrats to the Maps team. [19:39:50] Oooooh, aaaaaah, maps. [19:39:52] James_F: yes, though m.wiki features never seem to graduate to the desktop experience [19:39:56] yeah, the maps stuff is awesome [19:39:57] spagewmf: :-( [19:40:00] halfak: yeah, it's a bit tricky. it has some tangible and intangible benefits. the app has an option to opt out of the feature for people who prefer to not have it interjected [19:40:20] spagewmf: James_F i think we're holding off doing link preview in the mobile web for the time being. [19:40:26] * James_F nods. [19:40:28] there's stuff everywhere?! [19:40:36] Moscow? That's not in the US! [19:40:44] I can also picture Wikivoyage stuff happening with maps [19:40:46] halfak: Do you want me to ask your question of Dmitry or has dr0ptp4kt_'s answer been enough? [19:40:48] spagewmf: James_F we are however considering giving some more love to the desktop feature. but it has a longer bit of design and ramp up discussion [19:40:54] * James_F nods. [19:40:54] foks, I bet there's a Moscow in Missouri [19:40:58] Maps? [19:41:02] Oh almost certainly. [19:41:03] James_F, still ask please [19:41:05] They don't love you like I love you. [19:41:07] halfak: Florida. Florida always has a city. [19:41:07] There's a St. Petersburg in FL! [19:41:09] This app is sweeeeet [19:41:10] \o/ [19:41:10] halfak: Sure. [19:41:11] Might also be cool to see articles near the current article. E.g. if you're on the article about a building in some historic area, see what other articles are about nearby building/things. [19:41:12] dr0ptp4kt_: oh, sorry, I thought https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cards was the mobile version [19:41:13] spagewmf: James_F not sure that hovercards desktop love will be in q3 for implementation as a goal [19:41:18] Would also be good as a fallback if there is no location permission. [19:41:19] close halfak, "Moscow Mills" [19:41:33] oooh. Maybe it's an anti-communism thing. [19:41:34] very cool, dbrant|mtg! [19:41:45] spagewmf: cards will be used for relatedarticles / read more [19:41:45] Aaah, where's Megan Hernandez? [19:41:49] This gives me an idea [19:41:49] nice, dbrant|mtg, still fun even though I already saw it at lightning talks [19:42:04] oh, roan is moderating it today? [19:42:06] nice. [19:42:11] should we call it "Map" instead of "Nearby" dbrant|mtg ? [19:42:16] Ah, meganhernandez: ping [19:43:23] Hi Pine [19:43:23] mooeypoo: It makes me very happy that you like it. \o/ [19:43:36] yurik, Nearby is a good name to hook interest, though. Names don't have to describe the whole feature. [19:43:56] meganhernandez: suggestion: ask people for a $1 donation when they update or download the Wikipedia mobile app on Android and Apple devices [19:44:01] matt_flaschen, yes, but i feel we should do an a/b on this [19:44:07] Cool Thanks! [19:44:09] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special%3ANearby works on desktop, though no map! [19:44:14] yurik, yeah, that's a good idea. [19:44:16] i think "map" might be more descriptive [19:44:30] does the wikipedia app run on windoze smartphones? [19:44:32] Pine: Given how often we update our software...maybe we should debounce that ;) [19:44:32] but of course only a/b would tell [19:44:33] subbu: Yup. [19:44:44] Pine: then a chunk of money goes to apple? [19:44:46] jane023: That might be a question for brion [19:44:48] Sounds like "Narrowing focus" == Making decisions [19:44:56] halfak: I think that's fair. [19:44:59] Deskana, the popup links are brilliant. They are such time savers, I hate keep having to go back/forward/back/back/back when I read an article and need context. This is awesome [19:45:07] heatherw: even if it does, some money is better than none. [19:45:16] That said, it would be nice if Apple would give us 100%. [19:45:23] spagewmf, for me, it just says Loading... [19:45:24] No app for Windows phone but the web site works in IE and edge [19:45:27] * sumanah comes in late, starts listening [19:45:32] So, it's not that our focus is too wide or something like that. [19:45:34] sumanah: !!!! [19:45:38] You could put the donation nag into the app after it detects an upgrade... [19:45:39] * subbu waves at sumanah [19:45:39] * heatherw waves to sumanah [19:45:48] sumanah!!! [19:45:48] * yuvipanda waves at sumanah! [19:45:49] Hey sumanah [19:45:50] :) [19:45:50] * brion waves [19:45:55] hey sumanah :) [19:45:56] Hey sumanah! [19:46:00] Pine: There is already a "Support Wikipedia" link in the navigation menu on the Android app, which takes you to donate.wikimedia.org. [19:46:01] brendan_campbell: I'm having a liiiittle trouble hearing James_F [19:46:03] Pine: We don’t current do that, but it’s definitely an idea to throw around for discussion to add an optional donation section [19:46:04] * sumanah basks happily, waves to all [19:46:11] marktraceur: Said no-one ever? [19:46:15] :) hi!! [19:46:17] James_F: Right? [19:46:20] marktraceur: I'll annunciate more strongly. [19:46:22] i will turn him up a little [19:46:27] bd thanks [19:47:05] Thanks. [19:48:20] As we get bigger, are we going to consider setting up an IRB? [19:48:34] Cheers James [19:48:38] As I said, I think the experiment was ethical, just a general thing to think about. [19:48:41] And J-mo, of course [19:49:34] foks halfak lvillaWMF Super late - but Zach M was welcomed in November's slide deck :) [19:49:39] matt_flaschen: I guess that's one for halfak and Dartar? [19:49:46] alantz, heh, thanks :) [19:49:58] Yeah [19:50:00] Did think he joined a while ago, not that long ago ;) [19:50:10] thanks foks. [19:50:14] foks yea - anytime! :) [19:50:16] very important question, too [19:50:29] What is the process of deciding on our goals/priorities? Have we decided on that process? cc: James_F [19:50:30] thanks :) [19:50:37] good answer [19:50:40] J-Mo, yeah, it's good you balanced it out, shame it impacted on the study results though :( [19:50:41] this seems relevant about control group question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomized_controlled_trial#Ethics [19:50:44] matt_flaschen: re: articles nearby, if the article has coords, then I believe the wiki's coords gadget/template will eventually lead you to a map that shows nearby articles. AIUI the Discovery maps work makes this fast and easier, but it's up to wikis how coords are handled [19:50:48] yurik: Who are you asking that of? [19:51:02] cheers robla [19:51:23] James_F, lila i guess [19:51:24] J-Mo: question that you don’t need to answer on the feed since it’s mostly just for my curiousity — did you filter out our education program students from your teahouse cohorts? [19:51:27] yurik: Kk. [19:51:28] I've only ever done research without controls (cross-case) [19:51:39] (We're running a bit short on time, but I've added it to the list.) [19:52:15] FLOW [19:52:18] We want FLOW [19:52:21] :-( [19:52:39] yes, we do want flow [19:52:39] what is flow btw? [19:52:39] :D [19:52:40] and another thing, we launched ask.wikiedu.org that does q&a for our education program newbies a month ago [19:52:46] halfak: yes flow [19:52:47] Holy moley. I was just hearing "ping ping ping ping ping ping" when I was talking [19:52:50] What was that? [19:52:51] to the point of wikicredit and similar projects, it seems like hosts would be easier to find if they got lots of kudos and credit [19:52:54] It came through hangouts [19:53:03] milimetric, +1 [19:53:05] Yeah, while we're talking about that, Flow has backend support for in-board search already, which would be great for Teahouse. [19:53:16] matt_flaschen, :( want [19:53:19] And I think "too many topics on a board" is much less of a problem with Flow, because you can link to a topic in isolation. [19:53:23] And we have a Resolved feature. [19:53:25] halfak: Your voice came out loud and someone was adjusting it. [19:53:31] And no edit conflicts. [19:53:33] heatherw, gotcha. [19:53:43] Will make sure that I get adjusted in testing next time. [19:53:44] We don't have the frontend for search yet, but it's worth thinking about finishing. [19:54:51] milimetric, Flow also lets you Thank for an individual post (rather than just an edit). It's also more exposed than on a wikitext talk page. [19:55:02] biggest problem around diversity is our inability to measure it [19:55:13] Ooo nice ethics link robla thx [19:55:22] jane023: I think it's the first problem, but not necessarily the biggest one. [19:55:22] jane023: True. [19:55:30] matt_flaschen: that's awesome, but I'm thinking more like a Stack Overflow profile that you could use on your resume or something along those lines of "official" [19:55:59] milimetric: So a structured user profile? [19:56:03] like, "I was a Teahouse host 3 times and I personally was responsible for X editors that went on to make X edits because of **ME**" :) [19:56:06] (Dario is speaking.) [19:56:22] James_F: if I hold my breath and scream user profile over and over will it happen? :) [19:56:24] if so, then yes [19:56:33] milimetric: No screaming, please. I have delicate ears. [19:56:37] milimetric: We made badges, trying to work in wikitext is...interesting. [19:57:09] :) yeah, the badges are cool, I think we don't need to really be limited to wikitext [19:57:27]