[11:59:41] <w1l>	 Hi all, it's Wil Sinclair.
[12:00:31] <w1l>	 I'd like to use my regular nick- wllm- but alas I guess it's been banned or something?
[12:01:07] <w1l>	 Also, my IP has, too. And. . . uh. . . the IP of your Executive Director, too. Doh!
[12:04:51] <me_again>	 It's Wil again.
[12:05:01] <me_again>	 Please don't mute, kick, or ban me.
[12:05:46] <me_again>	 Actually, there is no justification for doing so, if I'm not mistaken.
[12:06:00] <me_again>	 This is a publicly logged channel anyways.
[12:06:31] <me_again>	 But. . . sorry to bother you. . . can I please use my own nick?
[12:06:36] <me_again>	 wllm?
[12:07:12] <me_again>	 So that I don't have to play this stupid game that is rather unbecoming of the WMF and the partner of the ED of the WMF?
[12:07:22] <me_again>	 Kinda embarassing, really. . .
[12:07:44] <me_again>	 !op
[12:08:06] <me_again>	 Can you please unban any nick with the string "wllm" in it?
[12:08:41] <me_again>	 It's pointless and I might as well be myself while I'm here. Plus, I violated absolutely no rules on this channel to begin with.
[12:09:54] <w11m>	 Whatever. Guess that's close enough.
[12:16:14] <w11m>	 I'm going to check the ban list on this channel to see what needs to be changed to allow my usual, recognizable nick.
[12:16:16] <hashar>	 w11m: do you get your nick now ?
[12:16:53] <w11m>	 NOt yet. But may be because I've joined another channel.
[12:17:08] <hashar>	 oh
[12:17:16] <hashar>	 with L
[12:17:17] <w11m>	 Checking. . . and, thanks, hashar. . .
[12:17:23] <hashar>	 so  WLLM
[12:17:24] <hashar>	 is already used
[12:17:35] <hashar>	 usually you can look at it using:   /whois wllm
[12:17:47] <w11m>	 I really appreciate you're letting me have the dignity of my own name.
[12:18:15] <hashar>	 so since there is already another connection using WLLM , you can't use it :-}
[12:18:32] <hashar>	 maybe you have an other irc client still connected from somewhere
[12:21:52] <William_Sinclair>	 Hmmm. . . Won't let me send as Wil_Sinclair either. Give me a sec. I think I can check the ban list to clean the bad bans out. Gotta brush up on IRC>
[12:25:19] <William_Sinclair>	 OK, this one is pointless: *!*@204.11.226.135.static.etheric.net [by asimov.freenode.net, 506648 secs ago]
[12:25:25] <William_Sinclair>	 Please remove it.
[12:25:33] <William_Sinclair>	 It also belongs to Lila.
[12:26:12] <William_Sinclair>	 Ah, sorry. . .
[12:26:15] <William_Sinclair>	 !op
[12:26:45] <hashar>	 you realize there is nothing we can do right?
[12:26:49] <William_Sinclair>	 Please remove the following ban:
[12:26:55] <William_Sinclair>	 No, I don't.
[12:27:06] <William_Sinclair>	 hashar: Are you not an op?
[12:27:37] <William_Sinclair>	 Cause here's the thing. . .
[12:27:49] <William_Sinclair>	 That's our home IP address. . .
[12:28:22] <William_Sinclair>	 Not only have you banned your own Executive Director and boss, Wikimedia Foundation employees. . .
[12:28:41] <William_Sinclair>	 You are also leaving our private IP address open for anyone to see.
[12:28:56] <William_Sinclair>	 Actually, I'm going to contact legal about that.
[12:29:31] <William_Sinclair>	 I'm sure Geoff can tell me if there's something we can do about that.
[12:33:22] <hashar>	 William_Sinclair: I have no clue why the IP got banned, regardless even if it was Wikimedia Executive Director home IP, she would have other means to connect
[12:37:09] <William_Sinclair>	 No, that's not the problem.
[12:37:19] <William_Sinclair>	 That IP identifies where we live.
[12:37:25] <William_Sinclair>	 That's a BIG problem.
[12:37:56] <William_Sinclair>	 And it seems to be a problem across all of the Wikipedia channels.
[12:38:21] <William_Sinclair>	 I'm emailing Geoff now to get this fixed.
[12:38:35] <William_Sinclair>	 I'll need the name of the op who made the original ban.
[12:38:42] <William_Sinclair>	 Can someone please get that for me?
[12:39:16] <hashar>	 William_Sinclair: Geoff Brigham the WMF legal counsel ?
[12:39:23] <William_Sinclair>	 Yes, indeedy.
[12:39:26] <hashar>	 this channel is maintained by volunteers, not by wmf
[12:39:30] <hashar>	 so reach out to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Group_Contacts
[12:39:46] <William_Sinclair>	 Yes, but he'll follow up to protect a WMF employee.
[12:40:03] <hashar>	 and the only ones that can identify the real owner of the IP is the ISP
[12:40:04] <William_Sinclair>	 Or he'll have someone do it.
[12:40:12] <William_Sinclair>	 Please.
[12:40:24] <William_Sinclair>	 Are we going to go down this route?
[12:40:31] <hashar>	 which route?
[12:40:31] <William_Sinclair>	 !op
[12:40:32] <Pyb>	 :D
[12:40:43] <William_Sinclair>	 I've got no problem with that.
[12:40:52] <William_Sinclair>	 We can get the ISP to identify it.
[12:41:29] <William_Sinclair>	 I'd like to bring more attention to what's been happening in some of these IRC channels. . .
[12:41:45] <hashar>	 yeah potentially. I guess you one would have to fill some enquiry to justice / police or whatever US law representattive
[12:41:45] <William_Sinclair>	 Although, to be honest, this one is hardly the worst offender.
[12:41:51] <hashar>	 I am not familiar with the US system
[12:42:00] <William_Sinclair>	 In fact, the people here have been pretty nice.
[12:42:09] <William_Sinclair>	 Actually, not really.
[12:43:30] <William_Sinclair>	 ArbCom has ruled that in at least one case, the brands Wikimedia and Wikipedia that are used by the Wiki(p|m)edia IRC channels belong to the WMF and are solely up to its discretion on whether to allow use.
[12:44:08] <William_Sinclair>	 So, I doubt it will have to come down to the nitty gritty of anything other than copyright law. . .
[12:44:29] <William_Sinclair>	 Which is actually pretty simple across international law.
[12:45:06] <William_Sinclair>	 But it'll be fine. . .
[12:45:39] <William_Sinclair>	 I'll let WMF legal know that there's a security issue here, and they can sort it out.
[12:45:45] <hashar>	 well
[12:45:46] <hashar>	 that is a total non sense
[12:45:47] <hashar>	 here
[12:45:55] <William_Sinclair>	 K.
[12:46:16] <William_Sinclair>	 WMF legal will tell me the same if that's true.
[12:46:21] <hashar>	 so yeah reach out to Geoff if you want. Maybe it can help.  *wave*
[12:46:30] <William_Sinclair>	 I'm trying to protect myself and my family.
[12:46:36] <William_Sinclair>	 Will do.
[12:46:49] <William_Sinclair>	 O, actually. .
[12:47:04] <William_Sinclair>	 One thing to get on the record here before I go. . .
[12:47:25] <William_Sinclair>	 I never did anything to violate the policies of this channel.
[12:47:51] <William_Sinclair>	 Me and my family have been blocked without cause.
[12:48:30] <hashar>	 William_Sinclair: get in touch with the volunteers IRC https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Group_Contacts  . They probably have a record for the ban
[12:48:45] <hashar>	 nothing else to say :-}  *wave*
[12:49:19] <William_Sinclair>	 Nope.
[12:49:42] <William_Sinclair>	 But I appreciate your help and your being polite.
[12:50:04] <hashar>	 you are welcome!
[12:50:11] <William_Sinclair>	 I didn't get the same consideration as a human being on some of the other channels. So, thank you.
[12:50:13] <hashar>	 I hope you will get it sorted out.
[12:50:24] <William_Sinclair>	 We'll figure it out. :-)
[16:00:36] <hashar>	 #startmeeting Browser tests / CI checkin
[16:00:36] <wm-labs-meetbot>	 Meeting started Tue Dec  8 16:00:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hashar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
[16:00:36] <wm-labs-meetbot>	 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
[16:00:37] <wm-labs-meetbot>	 The meeting name has been set to 'browser_tests___ci_checkin'
[16:00:42] <hashar>	 #link https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/wikimedia.org/btest-ci-weekly?authuser=0 Google hangouts
[16:01:09] <zeljkof>	 o/
[16:01:13] <hashar>	 o/
[16:05:12] <hashar>	 #topic Wikibase and Browser tests
[16:05:31] <hashar>	 #info Jan attempted to add CirrusSearch as a dep of Wikibase. Fails horribly because of config variance based on job name
[16:06:21] <jzerebecki>	 "chmod: changing permissions of ‘/mnt/home/jenkins-deploy/tmpfs/jenkins-2’: Operation not permitted"
[16:06:26] <jzerebecki>	 https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-Wikibase-client-tests-mysql-hhvm/6963/consoleFull
[16:07:47] <hashar>	 Wikibase to be added to mediawiki-extensions ?
[16:08:37] <hashar>	 blocked on incompatibility ULS
[16:08:50] <hashar>	 Deutsch != German
[16:09:30] <jzerebecki>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117886
[16:09:38] <hashar>	 #link https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117886
[16:10:54] <hashar>	 mediawiki-extensions-<whatever>
[16:11:26] <jzerebecki>	 https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mediawiki-extensions-qunit/22105/console
[16:11:48] <zeljkof>	 #link https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mediawiki-extensions-qunit/22105/console
[16:12:42] <hashar>	 wikibase.datamodel.Claim Constructor FAILED
[16:12:44] <hashar>	 15:30:12 	Expected number of assertions to be defined, but expect() was not called.
[16:12:44] <hashar>	 bah
[16:16:31] <hashar>	 #idea have qunit jobs to use non minified javascript for better stacktraces
[16:18:13] <hashar>	 jzerebecki: for ULS https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors#Language
[16:18:35] <hashar>	 kart / Nikerabbit would do :-)
[16:19:33] <Nikerabbit>	 hola
[16:22:06] <hashar>	 Nikerabbit: jzerebecki was looking for some point of contact for ULS
[16:22:14] <zeljkof>	 #link https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T116164
[16:22:19] <hashar>	 there are some weird interactions in the Qunit jobs between Wikibase and ULS :-)
[16:22:20] <zeljkof>	 No test report files were found: job fails in jenkins but is shown as successful in raita
[16:24:36] <hashar>	 Not much fancy things going up on this days
[16:25:54] <hashar>	 #endmeeting
[16:25:55] <wm-labs-meetbot>	 Meeting ended Tue Dec  8 16:25:54 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
[16:25:56] <wm-labs-meetbot>	 Minutes:        https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2015/wikimedia-office.2015-12-08-16.00.html
[16:25:56] <wm-labs-meetbot>	 Minutes (text): https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2015/wikimedia-office.2015-12-08-16.00.txt
[16:25:56] <wm-labs-meetbot>	 Minutes (wiki): https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2015/wikimedia-office.2015-12-08-16.00.wiki
[16:25:56] <wm-labs-meetbot>	 Log:            https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2015/wikimedia-office.2015-12-08-16.00.log.html
[16:28:43] <hashar>	 minutes pasted on wiki https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Continuous_integration_meetings/2015-12-08/Minutes
[16:28:44] <hashar>	 :-D