[02:56:14] ...so, are any of the IRC channels associated with the ongoing tech talk? [03:25:22] YairRand, I believe #wikimedia-tech is the usual channel for those. You can ping brendan_campbell in there if you have questions. [03:25:33] (For this particular stream, at least :) [18:50:24] Booooom [18:53:33] caboooooom is a more accurate description [18:56:49] Does anyone have the YouTube streal URL? [18:57:02] Hey everyone. [18:57:05] heya [18:57:19] victorgrigas -- Let me see... [18:57:23] victorgrigas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHy1wGq8txY I believe [18:57:54] Hey all. [18:58:12] Thanks i_jethrobot, saved me from finding it on meta. [18:58:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHy1wGq8txY [18:58:29] I'll be the IRC factotum again. [18:58:37] Thanks foks, beat me to it. : P [18:58:46] If you have questions, interjections or comments, please say them here as we go. [18:59:03] Qué? [18:59:04] I'll try to ask your questions at the end, if there's time. [18:59:23] Oh, it was anomie, thank you too. :-) [18:59:40] As usual, please try to keep your questions on-topic to the matters presented. [19:00:30] Going live in a few seconds. [19:01:08] Oh, it was James_F, my bad : P [19:01:14] * MarkTraceur is hoping his stream starts automatically when it's time [19:01:34] * milimetric is taking matters into his own hands and just refreshing madly [19:01:35] No stream yet for me also. [19:01:37] MarkTraceur: there's a first time for everything [19:01:37] i_jethrobot, no worries. :) [19:02:04] I'm watching on my PS4 so there's no easy way to refresh... [19:02:07] Yeah, still no stream [19:02:13] Apparently it has now started though [19:02:20] stream? [19:02:31] 30 second delay usually, right? [19:02:42] at least. [19:02:45] no stream here [19:02:52] We've not started yet. [19:02:52] Going live in a few seconds. [19:02:55] Should start momentarily [19:03:01] got it [19:03:02] Stream just started for me [19:03:05] Got it now [19:03:05] nope [19:03:05] live for me now [19:03:05] working for me [19:03:07] yup, woohoo [19:03:18] had to refresh [19:03:48] can i still get on the demo? [19:04:01] i have a 10 second great demo that community did [19:04:10] yurik: No, you're about two days late to add yourself to the agenda. :-) [19:04:26] yurik: Use the demo space at Lightning talks instead? [19:04:27] James_F, there is no such thing as a deadline ;) [19:04:28] "68 watching now" a new record? [19:04:32] woot,, welcome newbies! [19:04:45] 86 [19:04:50] yay! [19:04:50] 89 [19:04:50] I got here late, wait: are we not talking about wtf just happened? [19:04:55] ok i see the youtube stream now [19:04:56] * kristenlans claps [19:05:00] Ainali: I think we've seen it over 100 once. [19:05:04] JonKatz: lol of course not [19:05:07] JonKatz: I think that's coming later in the meeting. [19:05:13] * Pine educated guess [19:05:15] Zack McClure. You may know me are the host of... [19:05:17] it's greeeen [19:05:19] Greeeeeeeeen [19:05:24] greeeeeen [19:05:24] GREEN! [19:05:24] spooky [19:05:27] the screen is 100% green [19:05:28] Now black. [19:05:28] black! [19:05:30] And now off. [19:05:33] is there a live audience? [19:05:33] blaaaack [19:05:34] wiggle it [19:05:35] * andrewbogott shakes, smacks monitor [19:05:35] black is the new green [19:05:38] I prefered green [19:05:39] its back [19:05:40] Metrics: now with the filters instagram rejected! [19:05:41] mooeypoo fielded over the office [19:05:44] Now slides. [19:05:45] never seen it looks so empty near the front [19:05:48] have you tried turning it off and on again [19:05:50] James_F: ok, it is 99 now :) [19:05:57] * matt_flaschen claps for Wikipedia's 15 birthday. [19:05:59] There's me!! [19:06:17] foks, who are you in the picture? [19:06:18] foks!! [19:06:26] matt_flaschen, green shirt :) [19:06:34] matt_flaschen: Third from the left. [19:06:35] foks! [19:06:43] That was my guess, but that's probably just because Konversation colors your nick green... [19:07:01] 188 community events! [19:07:03] haha :D [19:07:19] 106 viewers [19:07:23] "42 pictures of cakes" [19:07:23] lol [19:07:32] "and one extraordinary fondue illustration" [19:07:32] "MM" is still a super weird shorthand for "million" [19:07:44] Aside from low cake count, pretty good metrics. [19:07:46] that was my fault! I'm the guy who mis-tuned piwik and lost our data [19:07:53] * milimetric claps for milimetric [19:08:00] heatherw: thank you and the comms folks for Wikipedia 15 support. [19:08:03] There were actually 100+ pictures of cakes! but only 42 cakes in total [19:08:10] Pine, you're welcome@! [19:08:18] someone de-duplicated the cakes?! :P [19:08:18] foks: do you know why it's MM? ... M makes a lot more sense..... [19:08:22] foks: you were working on Comms? :) [19:08:28] Yippee! Wikipedia15! [19:08:31] Russia had about 55 just when I announced maps :) [19:08:32] does that count the cup cake pictures? [19:08:32] foks SHOUTOUT [19:08:33] :P [19:08:33] M is Roman numeral for thousand, maybe that's why. [19:08:34] Jamesofur, it's accounting, apparently [19:08:36] Pine, yes! [19:08:39] * foks is Joe [19:08:41] heatherw, foks, Zach, Ed, and others deserve a lot of the credit :) [19:08:43] Ah :) [19:08:48] Or languages where some variant of "mil" is 1000? [19:08:53] and most of the RU posts said that we were taking over google maps :) [19:09:00] It's actually 850+ stories! [19:09:04] ooo [19:09:06] Some Dutch ones were missed [19:09:08] varnent: I deserve like no credite aside from helping on the blog post, this was all Zach, heatherw, foks, etc etc [19:09:08] on the WMF side - A LOT of folks outside WMF did AMAZING things :) [19:09:19] Ed17, that was a major part! [19:09:20] Yeah, such as write an encyclopedia. :) [19:09:23] There should have been some coverage for WP15 in Taiwan, doesn't show in the map? [19:09:26] ed17: shhh..take the credit ;) [19:09:32] matt_flaschen: But in Roman numerals MM is 2*1000, not 1000^2. :-) [19:09:38] varnent: I hate getting credit ;-) [19:09:47] Liang_, I will look at this. I don't think I found any in Taiwan [19:09:50] Liang_: foks might know. [19:09:53] ed17: I hear ya - same problem here ;) [19:09:58] I did look though, perhaps Google failed me [19:10:00] varnent: I always try to pass it off ;-) [19:10:04] * foks spend literally days on that :P [19:10:08] Liang_: If you have links we can add them. :-) [19:10:19] "Jimmy Wale's" GUYS NO [19:10:32] lol [19:10:33] also Finland was 0 there :/ [19:10:45] foks: are we able to update if folks send you links from Taiwan coverage? [19:10:48] Stryn, no, there were some in Finland [19:10:50] that's one way to solve apostrophe's's problems :) [19:11:01] I'm old-school. Even Jimmy Wales is newfangled to me. [19:11:05] oh [19:11:05] yay foks! :) [19:11:05] but please go to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_15/Coverage [19:11:07] thanks!! [19:11:23] yes, that meta page got a lot of love as well [19:11:28] matt_flaschen: you mean Jimmy Wale [19:11:46] they were awesome banners, Vote Purple and pink! [19:11:54] \o/ [19:11:56] vote purple [19:12:02] no way, green [19:12:11] make purple great again. [19:12:16] Yay green [19:12:22] The green line there is the benchmark, btw [19:12:25] not the axis [19:12:48] heh [19:13:03] i was just voting for the green banners :) I like the kiwi [19:13:05] I love that there was an event in Siberia [19:13:06] Aw, I could have gone to Winnipeg for an event [19:13:09] Thanks to everyone who organized all this, including the SF one (really cool demos!) [19:13:14] Also, I will take the blame for that cheekc Google Map [19:13:15] Road trip opportunity WASTED [19:13:21] there wasn't any other quick way of doing htat :( [19:13:30] milimetric: kiwi was green t-shirt (best t-shirt, cute kiwi is cute) but the kiwi banner was the pink one :) [19:13:50] foks: I'm surprised there isn't a good software tool for that, you would think....... [19:13:50] Stryn, Liang_, I think the issue is that "1" was white so it doesn't display well there [19:13:52] foks: I'll show you how to do it with the new Maps project. [19:13:55] foks: But not during Metrics. :-) [19:14:05] James_F, it would not be quick [19:14:05] woah, I really want a pink kiwi t-shirt, then again... I might never take it off [19:14:13] press for iran is zero, I know several news agencies convered it [19:14:21] Wow, people created twitter accounts just for this. [19:14:23] *covered [19:14:27] milimetric: those shirts are AWESOME [19:14:40] Amir1, I think I saw some from Iran? [19:14:43] I'm wearing one of the grey ones now. [19:14:47] I know... I was promised a free one for helping, but I think when piwik blew up they revoked my promise :) [19:14:53] milimetric: :-) [19:15:11] foks: press coverage, not the celebration itself [19:15:15] I think i got slipped form that list [19:15:22] Thanks comms! Awesome stuff! [19:15:25] Amir1, no, that's what I mean [19:15:30] nice work heatherw and Zach :-) [19:15:43] I didn't see Iran in the chart actually, not sure why [19:15:44] thank you heatherw + Z... where's zack on IRC? [19:15:53] (Any questions, do sing out so I can ask them.) [19:15:56] Feel free to add to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_15/Coverage, Amir1 [19:16:04] milimetric, he's not :P [19:16:05] For those interested in the banners they were talking about examples - Pink banner (Kiwi \o/) https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&banner=WP15GeneralAnnouncement_pink&uselang=en&force=1 and Purple (Football) https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&banner=WP15GeneralAnnouncement&uselang=en&force=1 [19:16:06] milimetric: Hiding. [19:16:06] sure foks [19:16:23] there apparently ^ :D [19:16:24] wow, that's me on the slide background :) [19:16:25] Jamesofur: Thank you. [19:16:29] there he is! congrats Zack_ ! [19:16:32] yay Bence! [19:16:41] sound? [19:16:42] sound? [19:16:45] back :) [19:16:55] seemed it topped at 129 live viewers, now it dropped a little [19:17:02] Hey Zack_. [19:17:05] thanks! thanks! milimetric! [19:17:20] 'sup James [19:17:26] great work again heatherw and Zack_ [19:18:03] Bence: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimania_2015_Mexico_City-12.jpg [19:18:18] thanks! [19:18:24] yes go go go wiki loves women [19:18:29] milimetric, we got you on the t-shirt. musta been an oversight [19:18:37] context for that Argentine video: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/01/15/documentary-video-argentina-editors/ [19:18:50] Ed17 with the cheeky blog plug [19:18:57] krmaher: haha, nono, I bought one on the store, I was just kidding [19:19:09] and context for Wikicomment: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/02/13/wikicomment-kannada-anniversary/ [19:19:10] FYI, on the Wikimania consultation, Ellie Young and I are available to answer questions on that. [19:19:15] foks: ;-) [19:19:20] Ed17, haha [19:19:21] yay ja.wiki! [19:19:35] Yah thwiki. Impressive work. [19:19:49] Wow, 5 million media a month! [19:19:56] Nice all [19:20:26] I wonder how many files there will be in the end of this year. 40M? [19:20:33] can we get the slides on the hangout please? [19:20:37] We will need the slides back [19:20:42] matt_flaschen: Yeah, I imagine there was a bulk one. [19:20:47] slides! [19:20:49] aaaa [19:20:50] Thanks asherman_ it was mostly heatherw (as always) [19:20:53] no slides [19:20:54] who do we ping?! [19:20:57] we cant see the slides [19:20:57] umm... the camera's on her, not the slides. [19:20:58] brendan_campbell: stop, slides [19:20:59] k, good [19:20:59] slides need to be on the hangout [19:21:06] Thank you [19:21:07] @James_F [19:21:08] ah - fixed. THanks. [19:21:10] :) [19:21:11] thank :-) [19:21:13] thx! [19:21:20] Thank you brendan_campbell. [19:21:27] poor brendan :P [19:21:34] heh :) <3 [19:21:34] James_F, ah. Still cool though. And there are a lot more bulk uploads that could be potentially be done. [19:21:55] matt_flaschen: Bulk isn't bad, yeah. [19:23:07] Interesting about more mobile readers than desktop readers for the 1st time. [19:23:26] ^^^^big deal [19:23:48] Pine: That's for overall traffic. For English I believe we passed it a while ago. [19:23:48] s/English/the English Wikipedia/ [19:23:58] Noted, thanks. [19:24:08] I'm not the expert though; the expert is Tilman. :-) [19:25:13] China's still blocked, right? [19:25:23] If anyone would like more information on Wikipedia 15, please visit https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_15 [19:25:33] matt_flaschen: I'm 90% sure that the answer is yes [19:25:40] Or https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_15/Results, for the results in wiki-form [19:25:46] matt_flaschen: China is still apparently blocking (via the Great Firewall) all access to all language versions of Wikimedia sites, yes. [19:25:49] from what I understand, China goes from partly blocked to unblocked all the time [19:25:57] (English-only for the time being, but we will mark it up for translation soon) [19:26:09] right now it's blocked yes, but who knows tomorrow ) [19:26:22] milimetric: I understood that that was just bugs in the Great Firewall rather than intentional. But Beijingology is an imprecise art. [19:26:47] oh wow, that's really interesting, James_F, I hadn't read that [19:26:49] makes sense :) [19:26:56] Hmm, http://www.blockedinchina.net/?siteurl=en.wikipedia.org seems to suggest it works, but I don't know how their service works. [19:27:14] <_joe_> who is the current speaker? [19:27:20] With China's economy in such trouble, I expect the Chinese government to continue to have a tight grip on how their general public gets and publishes information. [19:27:22] Tilman Bayer [19:27:22] _joe_: Tilman. [19:27:26] <_joe_> ok [19:27:29] @James_F & @foks , please refer to these links for WP15 news in Taiwan https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shangkuanlc/WP15_news_in_Taiwan [19:27:30] aka HaeB [19:27:49] pajz, all Blocked for Chinese according to them, though: http://www.blockedinchina.net/?siteurl=zh.wikipedia.org [19:27:55] Pine: "Such trouble" is a bit extreme; the US would kill for their reported growth rates. [19:27:55] Liang_: Thank you. [19:28:53] Does anyone have the link to that dashboard? [19:28:53] James_F, question: Do we think there's any impact on page view data from article preview (HoverCards and similar for the apps)? [19:29:10] traffic flat, but internet growing = relative decline. We are not as succesful with people coming online as we have been historically. Changing internet tastes, market dynamics? [19:29:11] James_F: *reported* growth rates. I don't trust the reports, and I think I have a lot of company. They've also got leverage issues, their stock market problems, and migration issues.... anyway, sorry, back to Wikimedia discussion. [19:29:28] matt_flaschen not from hovercards, since it is small group now [19:29:36] but on apps it has a significant impact [19:29:48] matt_flaschen: HoverCards is in Beta Features for logged-in users who've found it only, so I'd be astonished if it had a measurable impact. [19:29:49] Yeah, what JonKatz said. :-) [19:30:02] if we roll it out on desktop, we will have to track hovers as a new metric to have a complete story [19:30:22] are there any metrics or estimates attempting to capture total transmission of knowledge? e.g., pageviews + google infoboxes + whatever else syndicated etc? [19:30:35] JonKatz, maybe we should start doing it now if the overall picture (apps + HoverCards) is significant. [19:30:45] Greeeeeeen [19:30:52] * Pine likes green [19:30:54] jaufrecht_: I'll save it for later, unless JonKatz has an answer. [19:30:54] super interesting, HaeB, thank you! [19:31:10] spooky feedback [19:31:15] matt_flaschen apps are small enough that the impact is not yet significant for overall [19:31:27] milimetric: I sent out an email asking for people to pick up their shirts before leaving town. We still have a bunch waiting. [19:31:32] anyone else hearing that? [19:31:43] yes [19:31:48] * milimetric applauds [19:31:49] i_jethrobot: Yeah, Marti's speaking too softly I think. [19:32:05] Thank you, Liang_!! [19:32:17] jaufrecht_ there have been preliminary attempts in this direction (particularly with regard to syndication), but measuring total will be almost impossible given our licensing. early analysis indicates that our syndication footprint is friggin huge. [19:32:31] * i_jethrobot applauds for Siko [19:32:39] +1 [19:32:44] * matt_flaschen claps for Siko and IEG [19:33:01] thank you, Siko, you rock [19:33:02] yay Siko!!!!!!! [19:33:07] +1 [19:33:09] * FloorKoudijs claps for Siko [19:33:11] Yay Siko!! [19:33:13] +1000 [19:33:20] standing ovation in the office [19:33:20] YAY SKELETOR! [19:33:21] +1 [19:33:22] Well done, Siko! [19:33:24] JonKatz: as in 5% of pageview impact, or 100%, or greater than, or what? [19:33:39] lol markup [19:33:45] greeeen [19:33:48] SIKO! [19:33:50] clapping here too for Siko [19:33:52] boos for that green [19:33:53] siko++ [19:33:54] :P [19:33:55] Wittylama: :D [19:34:08] claps for siko [19:34:16] bd808 can speak to this better than me, but I think it is >100% in terms of measured requests, but that is just a a small measure (given the other access points) [19:34:17] woo, those changes are awesome [19:34:20] Bravo, Siko! [19:34:30] BTW the 2015 HTTPS drop is clearer in the more detailed readership metrics reports https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_readership_metrics_reports [19:34:31] jaufrecht_ answered ^ (sorry) [19:34:55] * matt_flaschen also claps for this decision. If we're willing to grant WMF money, we should be willing to grant WMF time (wisely in both cases). [19:35:25] and i forgot to mention that the legal team has started a very interesting research project with the berkman center at harvard to better understand (and maybe autoatically detect) censorship of wikipedia globally [19:35:44] HaeB: cool. :) Can we get a brief on this in the Research newsletter [19:35:45] ? [19:35:49] have a link? [19:36:03] commitment from maintainers is not necessarily from WMF [19:36:21] JonKatz, jaufrecht_: This is the "published" Action API data right now -- https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:BDavis_%28WMF%29/Projects/Action_API_request_analytics#Magnitude_estimates_from_existing_data [19:36:22] HaeB: Do we think that the drop is 'real' (as in, humans no longer able to access or accessing fewer times), or instead means that we no longer see activity or have fewer false reports which aren't actually reading events? [19:36:22] wiki therapy!!! [19:36:25] Krenair, I know that. But WMF is the reason for the prior policy. [19:36:27] awesome [19:36:33] * Krenair nods [19:36:35] but will it work at scale? [19:36:41] excuse me. [19:36:47] is it webscale? [19:36:47] pine, pajz: it's just in its beginning stages i think, but yes, we'll definitely cover the results in the newsletter [19:36:53] Thanks! [19:37:04] wiki therapy: so cool! [19:37:05] Thanks, HaeB, sounds interesting. [19:37:15] ragesoss: Will what? Not sure of context to ask your question. [19:37:43] JonKatz, jaufrecht_: There is some additional data in the Q2 Reading review slides (on meta somewhere?) [19:37:48] woo maps work : D [19:37:54] James_F, question: Are there public metrics for percentage of grants successfully completed? [19:37:55] James_F: it was just an ill-considered joke. [19:38:09] matt_flaschen: Thanks, in the queue. [19:38:12] ragesoss: Aha. OK. [19:38:29] * foks looks at Ed17 [19:38:40] wiki needs pictures sounds awesome [19:38:45] https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikishootme/ [19:38:48] matt_flaschen: Probably best to get in touch with individuals grant program officers. [19:38:52] foks: ? [19:38:57] matt flaschen: regularly reported at https://blog.wikimedia.org/tag/individual-engagement-grants/ [19:38:59] matt_flaschen: as someone who was heavily involved in IEGCom when it started, just a note that some failures are OK in IEG in particular. These are known to be high-risk, high-potential projects in some cases. [19:39:08] We're interested in ''learning''. [19:39:09] Ed17, "HMS Irresistable" [19:39:11] if anyone wants to play with the "missing pictures" thing - https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikishootme/ [19:39:13] * Ainali thinks ragesoss joke was funny and remembers an animation about mongoDB [19:39:14] Er, *learning* [19:39:15] Pine, I understand that (they're low-ticket grants). Still worth knowing the metrics. [19:39:18] thanks bd808! [19:39:21] foks: that was not me but yes I definitely noticed :-D [19:39:25] James_F: for HTTPS? some of it is definitely real, e.g. the drops ellery found in specific countries [19:39:26] :) [19:39:37] (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102431 - unfortuntately the github link is broken for some reason) [19:39:44] i_jethrobot, I think public metrics for each type of grant (e.g. IEG) would be better than reaching out one-on-one. [19:39:48] I voted for strephit [19:40:20] Matt_flaschen: also consider that a lot of the ideas that would be in the IEG end up sticking around in the Idealab [19:40:26] StrepHit sounds like a really cool project. [19:40:37] JonKatz, jaufrecht_: There is functionally no way to track impressions of data that is being redistributed after being extracted from the wikis. That would be a collaborative tracking process that would need to be negotiated with each 3rd party [19:40:44] matt_flaschen: Agreed-- I would have pointed the place out had I known, I just figured getting in touch with the officer would get a quick answer, but Sadads knew thankfully. : ) [19:40:48] Sadads, I'm talking about e.g. number of completed IEG/number of funded IEG. [19:40:59] Thanks Sadads. [19:41:22] I have found IEG reviewing to be very inspiring [19:41:26] HaeB: Fixed link : https://github.com/ewulczyn/wmf/blob/master/https_transition/transition/https_transition.ipynb [19:41:36] HaeB: I'll ask later. [19:41:48] Sadads, I'm not talking about number funded. I'm talking about number completed/number funded. [19:42:06] matt_flaschen, pajz: it's only zhwiki that is blocked in china (although there was a very brief total block at the beginning of december https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Wikimedia_Readership_metrics_for_the_fortnight_until_December_6,_2015.pdf&page=7 ) [19:42:07] spooky green [19:42:08] hm, hipster green [19:42:24] Avacado green - it’s coming back! [19:42:26] bd808: that makes sense. I'm wondering about general order of magnitude and trend estimates. If pageviews dropped by 50 or 90%, would Wikipedia still be fulfilling its mission substantially via indirect views? [19:42:32] matt_flaschen: Let me look around and see what I can pull up... [19:42:44] i_jethrobot, James_F is also going to ask I think. [19:42:50] ahhaahah "avocado green" so 2000s [19:43:01] I can not-ask if it'd be better. :-) [19:43:19] Though so far it's the only question in my hopper. [19:43:19] * James_F looks mournful. [19:43:22] 2013 report: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Learning/2013_program [19:43:25] jaufrecht_: in my personal opinion, yes. google, amazon, etc presenting the wiki's data is a net win. [19:43:39] jaufrecht_: others do not agree [19:43:40] James_F: thanks - note that this assessment was only partially based on ellery's study, it also takes into account how traffic developed after that [19:43:53] is maps available in it? [19:43:58] HaeB: Kk. [19:44:00] (and you may have noted i did not put a concrete number on it, for a reason ;) [19:44:42] I love that the WP15 marks are still going strong. [19:44:43] Did I told any Wikimedia Argentina fellows that we have translated the subtitle of Soy_Wikipedista? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/TimedText:I_am_a_Wikipedian.webm.zh-tw.srt [19:44:48] bd808, I agree free reuse of our data is part of our mission (that's why I support freely reusable data like Wikimedia, OpenStreetMap, and Stack Overflow). At the same time, the pie (number of people online) is so huge there's no real reason our traffic should be *declining*. [19:44:49] James_F: during questions, would you please ask abittaker to talk for a minute about her recent improvements in Wikimetrics? [19:45:11] \o/ OPT IN!! [19:45:12] that's awesome, Liang! [19:45:15] jaufrecht_ bd808 net win yes, but there are significant drawbacks we need to consider (lack of wiki awareness hurts editor funnel, donations; 3rd party presentation subject to privacy violations and censorship) [19:45:22] James_F, would still appreciate you asking. I'm interested in "number funded then completed"/"number funded". [19:45:22] I've heard lots of good feedback about the Wikimetrics update [19:45:38] matt_flaschen: Sure. [19:45:39] Pine: OK. [19:45:42] JonKatz: {{cn}} on donations [19:45:43] :) [19:45:48] using the API, the most read from yesterday—this is SO COOL [19:46:09] * matt_flaschen claps for page view API. [19:46:12] and on that pageview API, see: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/12/14/pageview-data-easily-accessible/ :-D [19:46:28] JonKatz: and you know that statement is a pet peeve of mine :) [19:46:33] regarding the data showing that the HTTPS rollout indeed "uncensored" content, see e.g. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:HTTPS_Transition_and_Article_Censorship [19:46:36]