[21:02:07] <ggellerman>	  Phabricator Updates brown bag links:
[21:02:12] <ggellerman>	 Presentation: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1NcRLK0P7qmSmXTfR328TMRyvBMI252vYP4i5rNaMtqA/edit#slide=id.p
[21:02:36] <ggellerman>	 etherpad notes:
[21:02:38] <ggellerman>	 https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Exciting_new_changes_to_phabricator_brownbag_2016
[21:03:28] <jeremyb-phone>	 who's speaking?
[21:03:35] <urandom>	 we can see
[21:03:36] <ggellerman>	 David Strine
[21:06:07] <jeremyb-phone>	 hit "Allow"?
[21:06:47] <brendan_campbell>	 i'm going to ask him to do so
[21:06:53] <twentyafterfour>	 hello
[21:06:54] <jeremyb-phone>	 danke
[21:07:18] <ggellerman>	 thanks :brendan_campbell
[21:07:30] <twentyafterfour>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/phame/post/view/1/what_s_new_lots_of_improvements_on_phabricator.wikimedia.org/
[21:08:53] <jeremyb-phone>	 {{done}}
[21:11:14] <twentyafterfour>	 I am @mmodell, for those that don't know me.
[21:12:08] <twentyafterfour>	 Project-Creators was recently renamed to Project-Admins: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/835/
[21:16:14] <twentyafterfour>	 Essentially a task can't be tagged with a sub-project and the parent, because the parent is implied.
[21:20:08] <SMalyshev>	 \o/ autocomplete
[21:21:02] <ggellerman>	 Phabricator  update brown bag Q &A is open
[21:22:05] <SMalyshev>	 can we have more fine-grained permissions for subprojects? I.e. I don't want to be able to create new projects maybe but to create subprojects for a couple of projects I work with
[21:22:49] <jeremyb-phone>	 twentyafterfour: maybe this was mentioned and I wasn't paying enough attention but can you have multiple sub-projects tagged with a shared parent project?
[21:23:17] <jeremyb-phone>	 SMalyshev: good one
[21:24:00] <ggellerman>	 SMalyshev: will ask your question next
[21:24:04] <twentyafterfour>	 jeremyb-phone: no, you don't tag the parent project, because that's implied by the fact that it's tagged with one or more sub-projects
[21:24:38] <twentyafterfour>	 SMalyshev: I don't think there is a separate capability for creating sub-projects
[21:25:51] <twentyafterfour>	 yes you can use phab-04.wmflabs.org to test things out
[21:25:56] <ggellerman>	 twentyafterfour: did you hear David's request to get in bluejeaans?
[21:26:03] <twentyafterfour>	 I'm on bluejeans
[21:26:03] <jeremyb-phone>	 twentyafterfour: I know. you said above you can't do that. that's not what I asked?
[21:26:52] <twentyafterfour>	 jeremyb-phone: I guess I didn't understand
[21:26:53] <jeremyb-phone>	 can you tag a single Task with both #fr-dev and #fr-money if those are both sub projects of #fr ?
[21:27:02] <twentyafterfour>	 jeremyb-phone: yes
[21:27:06] <jeremyb-phone>	 ok :)
[21:27:25] <twentyafterfour>	 but if #fr-dev and #fr-money are milestones then no, it can only be in one or the other
[21:27:36] <twentyafterfour>	 that's the difference between subprojects and milestones
[21:27:53] <twentyafterfour>	 a task can only be in one milestone but it can be in many subprojects
[21:28:28] <jeremyb-phone>	 oh, i didn't know milestones were hashtags. are those new?
[21:28:46] <jeremyb-phone>	 milestones used to just be ordinary workboard columns, no?
[21:28:52] <SMalyshev>	 twentyafterfour: would it be hard to have separate capabilities for projects and subprojects?
[21:28:56] <twentyafterfour>	 jeremyb-phone: yes milestones are new. they don't get hashtags by default though, the hashtag is optional
[21:29:44] <SMalyshev>	 same for milestones... it kind of looks excessive for me to ask admin permissions to just be able to set milestones on my project
[21:30:16] <twentyafterfour>	 SMalyshev:  Agreed, I'm not sure how difficult that would be to implement though.
[21:30:17] <ggellerman>	 SMalyshev: has twentyafterfour: answered your question or do you want me to ask it to David?
[21:30:58] <SMalyshev>	 ggellerman: well, partially  :) Maybe David knows if it's possible/planned/etc.?
[21:31:20] <ggellerman>	 SMalyshev: will ask David :)
[21:33:11] <SMalyshev>	 ggellerman: thanks!
[21:34:42] <twentyafterfour>	 SMalyshev: I think that the answer for now is to just give you permissions for creating projects and trust you to use your access for good not evil ;)
[21:35:14] <SMalyshev>	 twentyafterfour: ok :)
[21:37:42] <jeremyb-phone>	 did anyone else have weird colors at the end?
[21:37:45] <jeremyb-phone>	 or middle
[21:37:53] <twentyafterfour>	 The reason we restrict project creation, is because we want to be sure that the people who are creating projects understand how the system works so that we don't make a mess with a bunch of confusing and incoherent project trees.  Once you understand how projects work we can add you to acl*project-admins. We have documentation about how that works on wiki at
[21:37:54] <twentyafterfour>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Project_management#Projects
[21:38:07] <twentyafterfour>	 jeremyb-phone: yes the colors went wonky for sure
[21:38:12] <jeremyb-phone>	 as soon as I heard "recording has stopped" was back to normal. earlier it was purple at one point and the end was green
[21:38:22] <jeremyb-phone>	 ok, thanks for the sanity check
[21:39:59] <twentyafterfour>	 The wiki is currently missing documentation about sub-projects and milestones, we need to figure out the best ways to use those features and then document everything on wikimedia.org