[13:49:12] Lydia_WMDE: I will be in Berlin the week of a June 6, and working remotely from there June 6-8, any way I could bum a place to sit and some wifi from you all on those days? [13:49:42] err... that should have read the week of June 4 [14:25:17] urandom: Wikimedia Deutschland has an IRC channel at #wikimedia-de. They also have a mailing list at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/vereinde-l. [14:25:57] Dereckson: thanks [14:29:32] urandom: Sylvain from Wikimedia France tells me the meeting rooms in the WMDE office are used by contributors, and the contact point is Martin Rulsch, martin.rulsch@wikimedia.de. [14:29:46] sometimes used [14:41:06] urandom: hey [14:41:32] urandom: yes can you email me and sandra ( our department assistant)? i am currently traveling [14:41:50] sandra.muellrick wikimedia.de [14:42:35] Lydia_WMDE: sure! [21:01:58] * MaxSem looks around [21:02:38] hi folks [21:02:53] one sec....need to do the meetbot drill [21:04:34] #startmeeting https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/E158 [21:04:35] Meeting started Wed Apr 6 21:04:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robla. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. [21:04:35] Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. [21:04:35] The meeting name has been set to 'https___phabricator_wikimedia_org_e158' [21:04:47] #topic Channel is logged and publicly posted (DO NOT REMOVE THIS NOTE) |Logs: http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23wikimedia-office/ [21:04:59] hi folks! [21:05:21] MaxSem: did you see anything? [21:05:30] see where? :P [21:05:45] :-) [21:06:14] anyway, this is just a general ArchCom office hour....no major updates [21:06:37] those watching closely on Phab might have seen some activity from ArchCom in the past hour [21:07:19] the activity feed here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/52/ [21:07:53] (@robla! thought I would be at an all-day Stanford Law China Guiding Cases Project, but it turns out to begin a little after 5 ... have to leave soon after 3 to get to Stanford ... Thanks for starting #WorldUnivandSch in IRC last week ... very much) [21:08:06] I case anyone missed it, the first patch for the dependency injection/service locator work was merged during the hackathon. :) [21:08:34] bd808: I saw that....cool! [21:08:40] have a link handy? [21:09:06] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/264403/ [21:09:35] ah, right, which also links to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124792 [21:10:11] We had a well attended discussion on the general topic as well -- https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmhack2016_DI [21:10:35] * robla follows the link to skim the notes [21:13:18] bd808: what is the general consensus on the RFC from what you saw at the Hackathon? is it something that's effectively a done deal and that ArchCom should just follow through on, or is there advice from ArchCom that's still desired? [21:13:57] I think it was all down to implementation details at this point. Daniel needs code review and +2s [21:15:02] ok, good to know [21:15:13] There are almost certainly going to be some things that come up as usage expands. We may need some do & don't guildelines once we know what to do or not do. [21:16:22] the bulk of the prose for T124792 should probably move to mw.org [21:16:22] T124792: RFC: Service Locator for MediaWiki core - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124792 [21:18:21] yeah. there is a lot of stuff in docs/injection.txt that should end up on wiki [21:18:23] anyway, one thing we talked about at the ArchCom planning meeting was the stuff everyone is shepherding, and also "what do we plan for next week's IRC meeting?" [21:18:35] we've just been discussing that in #mediawiki-parsoid [21:18:57] gwicke and cscott agree that it could be T130567 followed by T114445 [21:18:58] T114445: [RFC] Balanced templates - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114445 [21:18:58] T130567: WIP RFC: Hygienic transclusions for WYSIWYG, incremental parsing & composition: Options and trade-offs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130567 [21:19:20] that is, the general RFC first and then the specific prototype implementation [21:19:38] TimStarling: wonderful! [21:20:13] I'll skim the backlog on #mediawiki-parsoid in just a sec, but generally that sounds like a good plan [21:20:37] anyone think of anything more important for us to discuss at the IRC meeting next week? [21:20:47] um... [21:21:00] oh, right....also....mbstring [21:21:10] *that* I think we can clear up this week [21:22:13] so, Timo, Tim, and Gabriel were there, and they agreed that the mbstring requirement should be approved [21:23:03] T129435 that is [21:23:03] T129435: RFC: drop support for running without mbstring - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129435 [21:23:32] MaxSem: so...you're probably just waiting for someone to +2 the patch, right? [21:23:41] (@robla: just posted this in #WorldUnivandSch [14:21] @robla Is there a possibility please that we could start a RFC re the WUaS questions now in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/E158, and possibly for next week, or how would this work best?) [21:24:59] robla, my patch is ready for merge from my perspective. if that's all that needs to be done, let's merge it [21:27:07] MaxSem: sounds reasonable. any other higher priorities for next week's discussion other than the balanced template disucssion? [21:28:29] gwicke: you believe that T130567 should be the umbrella for "balanced template" disucssions? [21:28:30] T130567: WIP RFC: Hygienic transclusions for WYSIWYG, incremental parsing & composition: Options and trade-offs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130567 [21:29:48] robla: it's still a bit rough as written, but I think we can extend it a bit to provide the overview that we need for this topic [21:30:01] subbu has written a good summary as well [21:30:41] gwicke: which summary is the summary you prefer? [21:30:49] I don't care that much about the RFC number, it's more about starting with a high-level problem description, describing the challenges and building some agreement on requirements [21:31:34] robla: I think right now T130567 is closest [21:31:35] T130567: WIP RFC: Hygienic transclusions for WYSIWYG, incremental parsing & composition: Options and trade-offs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130567 [21:31:47] oh sorry .. discussion is happening here ... i lost track and was talking in #mediawiki-parsoid. [21:31:59] there is also https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T57524, which is very similar but older [21:32:36] subbu: yeah, we're having Phab event E158 now [21:32:40] subbu: is there another text we should consider as an introduction to the general problem? [21:32:57] i can provide one by next meeting .. i can add it to whatever rfc already exists. [21:33:17] that would be awesome [21:33:32] subbu: cool. next meeting is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/E159 [21:33:37] k [21:34:09] subbu: if you want, T130567 is yours [21:34:10] T130567: WIP RFC: Hygienic transclusions for WYSIWYG, incremental parsing & composition: Options and trade-offs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130567 [21:34:25] let me come up with some text first. [21:34:56] subbu: awww...that's no fun! "ready, fire, aim" is the best order! ;-) [21:36:48] bd808, I'll add ext-mbstring to composer.json but anything else should be made in a separate commit - objections? [21:37:11] works for me [21:37:41] I've started putting ArchCom planning meetings in Phab as well, btw. The one we just had was https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/E157 . Next one is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/E156/2 [21:37:56] MaxSem: looks like we only have ext-iconv in there right now [21:38:01] aha [21:38:24] ext-mbstring is in "suggest" [21:39:34] bd808, amended [21:41:04] MaxSem: +2'd [21:41:13] weeeeeeeeeeeee [21:41:56] bd808: great, thanks! [21:42:48] so, I dropped a comment in E159 about next week's tentative agenda: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/E159#1649 [21:44:57] I think we can wrap up a little early, unless anyone has anything to add [21:45:26] or any questions about ArchCom/Architecture stuff generally [21:45:42] robla, can you summarize next week's topics in 5-10 words, for Tech/News ? [21:46:14] * robla gives it a shot [21:47:23] not an easy task, in 5-10 words ;) [21:49:02] "Hygienic transclusions and balanced templates" ? [21:49:03] :) [21:49:09] Next weeks conversation: T130567 (regarding how to better transclude templates for Parsoid) and T114445 (an aspect of the implementation) [21:49:09] T114445: [RFC] Balanced templates - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114445 [21:49:09] T130567: WIP RFC: Hygienic transclusions for WYSIWYG, incremental parsing & composition: Options and trade-offs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130567 [21:49:19] gwicke: how's that? [21:49:45] quiddity: that's pretty good [21:50:01] heh, I'll mix and match. thanks :) [21:50:16] :-) [21:50:27] it'll be difficult to provide more background in a few words, and I think this evokes the right intuitions [21:51:00] gwicke: TimStarling which meeting type do we anticipate having next week? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Good_meetings [21:51:03] more racy: "The future of templates" [21:51:40] or transclusions, rather [21:51:46] I'm assuming this will be a "Problem definition" discussion still, but let me know if you're further in the process [21:52:07] yeah, I think it'll be heavy on problem definition [21:52:10] I think gwicke's part is field narrowing? [21:52:39] maybe that is overly optimistic :) [21:52:53] let's call it problem definition, I almost said that [21:52:59] lol [21:53:13] sounds good [21:53:56] ok....anything else before we wrap up? [21:54:41] * robla will enter #endmeeting in 60 seconds [21:55:45] 5 seconds... 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