[20:06:15] <gilles>	 romansh?
[20:06:48] <jrogers55>	 that's teh best guess, I think. He wouldn't ask if it were French or German.
[20:10:38] <MichaLR>	 which word? maybe ist Rhaetian / Rhaeto-Romansh
[20:10:48] <milimetric>	 I'm here :)
[20:11:15] <milimetric>	 is this where people are hanging out watching Kevin's talk?
[20:11:23] <jrogers55>	 Yep
[20:11:28] <MichaLR>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhaeto-Romance_languages
[20:12:22] <Amgine>	 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Romansch
[20:13:04] * Emufarmers tweaks Amgine
[20:13:07] <Emufarmers>	 What are we watching?
[20:13:13] <gilles>	 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX5-kI2XvWE
[20:13:32] <Amgine>	 <not watching>
[20:13:38] <milimetric>	 my friend Kevin talking about the beginning of Galaxy Zoo - one of the popular citizen science projects
[20:14:12] <MichaLR>	 Or is the question where "schawinski" come from?
[20:14:21] <jrogers55>	 The thing that most impresses me is the quality of the buttons. If you'd told me to describe the shape, I'd never be able to get the classification right, but they had really good distinct images for the galaxy types.
[20:15:32] <MichaLR>	 The name probably comes from polnish Szczawiński
[20:15:57] <milimetric>	 lol
[20:16:37] <milimetric>	 Rumsphilosophy
[20:18:56] <milimetric>	 we gotta get the source code for the apologetic forum, that's gold!
[20:22:38] <MichaLR>	 Why do only a few (or almost nobody) astronomic researcher edit wikipedia?
[20:22:58] <MichaLR>	 In the german wikipedia the astronomic articles are really bad
[20:23:01] <milimetric>	 jrogers55: are you taking questions?
[20:23:28] <MichaLR>	 The articles are written on popular magazines which have no scientific value
[20:23:30] <jrogers55>	 millimetric yep. He's still talking so I'll ask them at the end.
[20:23:44] <milimetric>	 of course, just wondering, +1 to MichaLR's question above
[20:24:20] <jrogers55>	 I'll ask him that one.
[20:26:27] <MichaLR>	 If he want get in contact to have a workshop for astronomers, he can get in contact with Wikimedia CH
[20:27:45] <MichaLR>	 Maybe that would be great benefit
[20:28:13] <milimetric>	 hm, yeah, that lines up with how people seem to edit within Wiki Projects
[20:30:06] <Amgine>	 But then you have to wonder about CERN.
[20:30:22] <milimetric>	 CERN? how so
[20:30:40] <Amgine>	 Also CH, but rather heavily editing.
[20:31:59] <jrogers55>	 seeing something that goes up "factorially" is a bit terrifying.
[20:33:23] <brendan_campbell>	 sounds like we will need to develop a new computation paradigm at some point
[20:34:42] <milimetric>	 sounds like he's got one: farm brains, feed machines, repeat :)
[20:37:53] <brendan_campbell>	 yeah, crowd sourcing is a great tool, for sure! i was more speaking about the distant future considering the speed that data grows compared to processing power
[20:37:55] <milimetric>	 oh, so thiiis is what skynet looks like
[20:38:23] <jrogers55>	 Machine learning suggesting we take more photographs of galaxies is how the takeover starts
[20:38:54] <milimetric>	 aw we can't hear the room remotely :(
[20:39:16] <mutante>	 i thought it was still busy identifying cat pictures and breaking recaptcha
[20:39:30] <jrogers55>	 Sorry, just got kicked for a second. If there were any questions in the last 30 seconds, could you repeat them?
[20:39:46] <milimetric>	 nope, you didn't miss anything
[20:39:59] <jrogers55>	 cool. :)
[20:40:02] <milimetric>	 except a pretty good cat picture thing by mutante :)
[20:41:55] <milimetric>	 WikiCredit!!!
[20:41:59] <milimetric>	 halfak: ^^^
[20:42:10] <milimetric>	 he literally just said "there is no incentive for editing wikipedia"
[20:42:32] <jrogers55>	 he did. We need to get some universities to count a feature article as equivalent to an article for tenure, clearly. ;)
[20:42:42] <halfak>	 :)
[20:42:48] <milimetric>	 jrogers55: do you know about WikiCredit?
[20:43:00] <milimetric>	 it's halfak's idea, people are gonna freak :)
[20:43:02] <halfak>	 https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/WikiCredit_-_Calculating_%26_presenting_value_contributed_to_Wikipedia
[20:43:17] <halfak>	 Hopefully.  Still trying to figure out some infrastructural issues.
[20:43:19] <MichaLR>	 when you write an article and cite your own stuff you have a high impact
[20:43:28] <halfak>	 Struggling with being a researcher/engineer/manager
[20:43:43] <jrogers55>	 I hadn't heard of it before this. That's pretty cool.
[20:43:50] <MichaLR>	 why not writing a paper and writing an article at once?
[20:44:23] <MichaLR>	 You have to write also an abstract, so an article could be also possible too
[20:44:43] <MichaLR>	 It should be more best practices for scientists
[20:44:57] <milimetric>	 should we ask him to explain why the Green Valley is a Red Herring?
[20:45:13] <MichaLR>	 like biologists when you describe a new species. Why not write also an article on wikipedia?
[20:46:06] <jrogers55>	 milimetric It's because of the color shifts from the doppler effect, though I'm not quite sure why it's so funny.
[20:46:35] <MichaLR>	 I hope one day the scientists do that so because sharing knowledge to everybody is also an aim and not only to be cited by other scientists
[20:49:54] <milimetric>	 :) in the first two weeks of Galaxy Zoo I personally answered about 500 emails per day
[20:50:15] <milimetric>	 seeding a project with niceness is hugely important
[20:52:33] <MichaLR>	 So, I have to leave. Please ask him after the presentation if he will get in contact with Wikimedia CH
[20:52:43] <jrogers55>	 Sure, I'll bring it up to him
[20:52:58] <MichaLR>	 I work with university of Basel and we make a project with students
[20:53:16] <MichaLR>	 so that could be similar
[20:53:25] <MichaLR>	 I have to leave
[20:53:46] <MichaLR>	 the contact details would be: micha.rieser@wikimedia.ch
[20:53:59] <jrogers55>	 MichaLR I'll let you know what he has to say later.
[20:54:04] <MichaLR>	 more details on the user page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Micha
[20:54:23] <milimetric>	 https://www.oldweather.org/#/
[20:54:28] <milimetric>	 ha! that's a real thing he didn't make it up
[20:55:54] <jrogers55>	 The language at the beginning was a version of Italian
[20:55:57] <jrogers55>	 crazy
[20:56:04] <brendan_campbell>	 close to romansch
[20:56:25] <MichaLR>	 because it also derives from latin
[20:56:29] <Amgine>	 milimetric: The British Admiralty engaged in a similar project in 1924-1927 which became the basis for their shipping routes book. I have a copy of it.
[20:56:35] <MichaLR>	 So I have to go
[20:56:41] <MichaLR>	 good bye everybody
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