[13:29:54] does anyone know how NOT to repeat the 1st column when printing a Google Sheet? [13:30:46] I can't find that anywhere and it seems to be there by default. [15:34:52] delphine: I remember seeing a setting in print popup [15:36:00] file > print > Repeat row headers on each page [15:36:30] but you are asking for column, not sure if that would work [15:41:06] yeah, the column repeats by default, and I don't want it too [16:00:08] okay! [16:00:17] \o/ [16:00:21] Hey everyone :) [16:00:38] Also relevant here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_-_I_want_a_pony_session_flyer.svg [16:00:50] haha [16:00:53] nice [16:01:05] Who's here for the office hour? [16:01:14] I'm here for the pony. [16:01:17] me [16:01:26] * Lydia_WMDE hands sjoerddebruin a tiny little pony [16:02:00] Wasn't there a command we're need to use here? :) [16:02:13] hmmm yeah but i don't remember it -.- [16:02:44] try #startmeeting [16:02:58] I am here [16:02:59] #startmeeting [16:02:59] Lydia_WMDE: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' [16:03:09] self-documenting! [16:03:15] #startmeeting Wikidata office hour [16:03:15] Meeting started Fri Jul 8 16:03:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Lydia_WMDE. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. [16:03:15] Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. [16:03:15] The meeting name has been set to 'wikidata_office_hour' [16:03:20] yay [16:03:25] alright we can start then :D [16:03:33] oh, "pony" needs way more statements. it doesnt even have "instance of animal" yet :p [16:03:34] so welcome everyone to the Wikidata office hour [16:03:44] mutante: get on it! :P [16:03:52] i am :). sorry for interrupting [16:03:52] it's not an instance [16:04:04] it's more a subclass of a horse right? [16:04:09] and while mutante is doing that I wanted to give a quick update on what happened around Wikidata over the past 3 months [16:04:13] and then look at what's coming up [16:04:22] and then we'll have some time for other topics and questions [16:04:28] WikiProject Taxonomy will have strong opinions about the pony ontology :) [16:04:48] as they should! ;-) [16:05:24] i'll start with the technical things [16:05:40] the biggest thing we have been working on is structured data for Commons [16:05:58] meaning being able to store the information about images and videos in a structured and machine-readable way [16:06:14] Ah, that's why it was so quiet lately. [16:06:14] (Hi Lydia and All - Aye) [16:06:20] the first thing we need for that is a new entity type (next to items and properties) called mediainfo [16:06:53] we had to do a lot of groundwork for that and are now very close to getting the first ugly demo on a test system [16:07:02] it won't do much but progress! [16:07:20] this new entity type for example won't have sitelinks [16:07:48] other than that it will look similar to items but we will work on making it more suitable for multimedia files still [16:07:56] Great! :) [16:08:05] we also enabled arbitrary access for commons [16:08:21] this means a page on commons can now use data from any item in wikidata [16:08:31] and commons started making use of it [16:08:37] there are some statistics here: https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/wikidata-entity-usage [16:08:55] that gives an impression of how much of wikidata's data is used in the wikimedia projects [16:09:18] the other huge thing we released is the ArticlePlaceholder [16:09:50] it is generating pages on the fly for small wikipedias if they don't have an article about a certain topic [16:10:13] Napolitain, Esperanto, Odia, Haitian Creole, Gujarati, Latvian and Nynorsk have it enabled so far and I am very happy with the feedback we're getting [16:10:18] https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciala%C4%B5o:AboutTopic/Q102425 [16:10:24] that is an example of such a page [16:10:29] we're still working on the design [16:10:35] it can also be fully customized on-wiki [16:10:46] via Lua and templates [16:11:24] i believe this is a huge step for these small Wikipedias and small languages online in general because we have a way out of a ficious cycle [16:11:28] vicious even [16:11:36] (wow! - that's generative) [16:11:52] so far if a wikipedia had few articles it was hard to attract readers and turn them into editors [16:12:00] this will hopefully help with that [16:12:28] two of our students also published their bachelor thesis: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Facilitating_the_use_of_Wikidata_in_Wikimedia_projects_with_a_user-centered_design_approach.pdf [16:12:28] ** https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Generating_Article_Placeholders_from_Wikidata_for_Wikipedia_-_Increasing_Access_to_Free_and_Open_Knowledge.pdf [16:12:35] one is about the ArticlePlaceholder [16:12:57] and the other one about a concept for how to make it possible to edit Wikidata right from Wikipedia [16:13:22] so far that isn't coded but just the concept work [16:13:40] the third big area we worked on was the query service [16:13:49] it got a number of new visualizations [16:13:59] geospatial search (thanks Stas!) [16:14:05] translations [16:14:28] and most importantly the first steps of making it easier to read and edit queries for people who don't know sparql [16:15:01] the examples have also been improved and expanded. if you have not had a look lately you should. there are some funny ones in there ;-) [16:15:54] Katie worked on making it easier to add references by using citoid so you can add references the same eway it is done in Visual Editor. so far this is still a gadget in development. you can track it here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131661 [16:16:44] We added language fallabcks on Wikipedia and in the main part of the header on Wikidata to make it easier to see what an item is about even if it doesn't have a label in your language [16:17:14] we simplified the input for geocoordinates and dates. there is still some stuff to do but i believe we at least removed the worst part now. [16:17:15] * aude waves [16:17:50] Amir worked on getting ORES on Wikidata as a beta feature. you can now enable it in your beta preferences [16:17:58] Is that stuff still on Github or has it moved already (geocoord and dates) [16:18:20] it will then help you scan recent changes and watchlists for bad edits based on machine learning and highlighting the ones that are eprobably bad for you [16:18:40] sjoerddebruin: the code? i believe still on github but should be moved [16:18:59] Would love to have it translatable, that's why I am asking. [16:19:07] ahhh yeah [16:19:10] good point [16:19:20] Think I've asked for that 2 years ago. :) [16:19:29] -.- yeah [16:19:29] i would like to enable the AboutTopic on ksh (Koelsch) Wikipedia. where to go first to suggest that [16:19:32] damn [16:19:49] mutante: the best way is to start a discussion locally and then open a ticket [16:19:56] (sjoerddebruin: you'd like to have "input for geocoordinates and dates" translatable?) [16:20:00] Lydia_WMDE: ok, thanks [16:20:08] sjoerddebruin: i think the widgets for coordinates and dates are in valueview [16:20:09] Scott_WUaS: the small popups that show up when you edit them. [16:20:13] afaik on gerrit now [16:20:22] awesome work by the way. the automatic articles are great [16:20:22] thnx [16:20:23] * aude not 100% sure [16:20:28] aude: can you check why they are lacking translations then? :) [16:20:31] mutante: :) [16:20:47] that would be awesome [16:20:59] mutante: I think you need to gain consensus on the project and finish the translations. [16:21:05] Then you can file a request on Phabricator. [16:21:35] we've also spent time discussing the proposal for Wiktionary with a number of people familiar with wiktionary and or linguistics: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary/Development [16:21:40] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/GDVV/ [16:21:48] if you're familiar with either I'd aprechiate your feedback on it [16:22:28] maybe there is some bit that is not translatable (but agree it should be) [16:22:42] oh wait, they are half translated :P [16:22:57] sjoerddebruin: ok! [16:23:12] I think there were problems with propagating translations, so that it has to be done manually [16:23:53] I also really like the new easyquery gadget that you can enable in your preferences. it'll then show you a little icon next to statements that gives you a list of other items with the same statement. [16:24:21] as well as the user script that shows wikidata changes in the article history on wikipedia. more in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T42358 [16:24:52] Thiemo wrote a small user script to automatically add today's date into the date retrieved part of a reference [16:24:53] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:TMg/currentDate.js [16:25:05] hmmm what else was there? [16:25:06] aude: sorry, I was incorrect [16:25:18] oh yes! we enabled data access for wikiversity [16:25:25] I didn't hear of that script... [16:25:37] It was mentioned in the weekly summary, matej_suchanek [16:25:45] was it? [16:25:47] and started doing research and interviews for automated list generation on wikipedia based on queries to wikidata [16:25:51] must have misread [16:25:59] matej_suchanek: yeah :) [16:26:01] "Thiemo wrote a user script to pre-fill "date retrieved" in a reference with the current date. Please test and let us know what you think ont he linked page. If you like it it can become a gadget." [16:26:14] sjoerddebruin: ok :) [16:26:44] aude: only the options like year and century aren't translatable yet. [16:26:45] ok that is all the tech stuff i had - but a lot more happened of course! [16:27:10] (Lydia_WMDE: In broad strokes, and not seeing much yet on this page - - how might Wiktionary contribute to a significant WMF / Wikidata translator beyond ContentTranslation and, conceptually, Google Translate ... is there a possibility to add this to Wiktionary planning?) [16:27:25] (enabled data access for wikiversity - yay! :) [16:28:03] Scott_WUaS: over the next weeks i want to write down more about why i think wikidata and wiktionary is important. i'll try to go into that as well then [16:28:16] thanks! [16:28:20] :) [16:28:38] is the feedback from the people you talked to about wiktionary written down somewhere? [16:28:43] other things: I am looking for someone to take over the community communications as the work is really getting too much for me alone while still giving you all the attention you deserve from me [16:28:47] why not start with just a link to wiktionary article from the wikidata item [16:28:56] nikki: still need to do that [16:29:19] mutante: because we will model it differently [16:29:26] i keep thinking i could link items just like wikivoyage and others [16:29:27] aha [16:29:35] you can not link from the item (concept) to the wiktionary page (written word) [16:29:53] sjoerddebruin: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F4253287 (time) and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F4253286 (coordinates) with qqx lang [16:30:00] wikpedia links tree and Baum but wiktionary links tree and tree [16:30:02] so we can see what is translatable [16:30:05] Lydia_WMDE: i understand.. because a wiktionary page has more than 1 item [16:30:20] that too potentially [16:30:46] One concept can have many words, and many concepts can have the same word. [16:30:49] i am really looking forward to any kind of wiktionary integration:) i started editing any WMF wikis at wiktionary [16:30:59] hah nice [16:31:45] here btw is the job description: https://www.wikimedia.de/wiki/Project_Manager_(m/f)_Community_Communication_Wikidata - i am confident we can find someone great in the next weeks. and I will not vanish. I'll still be around - just focusing more on the product management :) [16:32:15] Hoping for a nice timezone. :) [16:32:21] hehe [16:32:24] which one would that be? [16:32:25] (Lydia_WMDE: am applying for a MIT Media Lab junior faculty position re WUaS and actual-virtual Harbin research, but would explore helping find a communications' person, Lydia ... will email). [16:32:31] Same as mine of course. :P [16:32:35] :D [16:32:41] Scott_WUaS: cool [16:33:17] :) [16:33:18] in the last quarter a bunch of events about or with wikidata happened. the most interesting one for me was probably https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiCite_2016 [16:33:42] about getting a better understanding of referencing and everythign around it on Wikipedia and Wikidata [16:33:57] Also CEE will have a Wikidata track (I applied too to do pywikibot and sparql session): https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2016/Programme [16:34:05] \o/ [16:34:13] which brings me to the next one! [16:34:37] i am really happy to see you and Lucie and Marius and others do great sparql and lua workshops in all the places [16:34:48] knowledge spreading for the win ;-) [16:35:21] same at Wikimania. https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata has an overview of all things Wikidata at Wikimania [16:36:13] Europeana did their Europeana280 competition on Wikidata as well which i found pretty sweet: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/07/01/europeana-challenge-finish/ (and a perfect fit for wikidata ;-)) [16:37:03] while we are at institutions: TED and the national library of wales have wikidata editoros/scholars in residence [16:37:10] more of that please!? [16:37:20] Could talk about that later. ;) [16:37:31] ok :) [16:37:45] https://finnaarupnielsen.wordpress.com/2016/05/10/occupations-of-persons-from-panama-papers/ caused quite the stirr online <3 [16:37:57] even if quite biased it was a nice demonstration of the power of wikidata [16:38:04] sourceless statements :( [16:38:09] showing the profession of the people named in the pnama papers [16:38:29] sjoerddebruin: yeah we definitely can do better there! [16:38:47] http://wikimedia.fi/2016/04/15/yle-3-wikidata/ was also a pretty awesome showcase [16:39:19] the finish broadcasting company uses wikidata for tagging their news articles and they nicely explain why they love us in that blog post [16:39:34] i think this is the best example of use of Wikidata for tagging so far [16:39:56] and a bit more sad: freebase.com now redirects to a page about the last dumps. API will be shut down on august 31st. [16:40:11] i expect quite a few more users of that API to migrate to Wikidata over the coming weeks [16:40:45] NYPL is using wikidata: e.g. http://billi.nypl.org/classmark/nd1700-2495/about [16:40:52] something i really loved: who of you knnows 100wikidays? [16:41:01] aude: ah nice [16:42:04] 100wikidays is a challenge to write 1 wikipedia article per day for 100 days [16:42:32] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/100wikidatadays came out of a conversation at Wikimania and is similar but for wikidata [16:42:41] Lydia_WMDE, I think 100 wikidays is a great project. But not many people know how to code templates and Lua to that extent. And all the modules are diferent (or don't exists on many projects). That seems like a big issue. [16:42:44] * aude could create 1 wikidata item every day, but templates might be challenging [16:42:46] the idea is to work on migrating 1 template a day to make use of wikidata data [16:43:04] tobias47n9e__: yes absolutely! [16:43:17] and i hope your work on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Infobox_Tutorial will help [16:43:48] Templates sounds a little bit extreme yeah [16:43:58] Also on larger projects that require consensus [16:44:02] we will see where it goes :) [16:44:04] yes absolutely [16:44:10] but you can work on alternatives for example [16:44:15] and propose them i guess [16:44:41] I've marked 2500 categories as categories, so I think I did enough today again. :) [16:45:05] but yes! don't do it without consensus! because then you're just going to hurt wikidata on those projects [16:45:14] sjoerddebruin: lol yes [16:46:09] And the results are coming in... https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/Mandatory_constraints/Violations&action=history [16:46:12] ah i forgot one important gadget! Magnus polished and fixed his existing reference user script and is currently asking for it to become a gadget on Project chat [16:46:23] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP-qJIkjPf0&feature=youtu.be is a video of what it can do [16:47:01] and in case you wonder what the world is talking about I can recommend the new "popular item" section on the main page [16:47:13] it shows you which items have been edited the most by several people over the last days [16:47:29] it is becoming pretty good for random news detection [16:47:42] :) [16:47:49] alright that brings me to the last part: what's coming next? [16:47:58] That's the best part, right? [16:48:14] we'll work more on Commons - specifically making it possible to use the items and properties from Wikidata in another wiki [16:48:42] this way you will then be able to use wikidata's vocabulary to describe images and videos [16:49:07] and we'll release the first ugly prototype of the mediainfo entity type in the next week or two [16:49:17] great! [16:49:24] then we will work on sitelinks for wiktionary and explaining the proposal more [16:49:44] ArticlePlaceholder will also get some love and be deployed on more wikis [16:50:11] i am especially looking foroward to getting it on russian wikipedia but that isn't yet possible because of scalability and performance [16:50:18] but they've asked for it already [16:50:34] What about us, the power users? No offense, but I think it's taking a long time before we get things. [16:50:50] we'll also look into improving quantities as there are a lot of cpmlaints aroundn +1 and so on [16:51:12] sjoerddebruin: yeah i know :( I am trying to get more people but this quarter has been especially hard to be honest [16:51:25] Will there be new student projects? [16:51:55] Well, new. Most things could use improvements instead. [16:51:56] yes. right now we have someone interested in working more on the constraints special pages and so on [16:52:28] We need better constraints as we are still growing and vandalism is happening every day. [16:52:31] i am open to taking on more and regularly people approach me about it so i think there will be 1 or 2 more [16:52:37] yes totally [16:52:54] (If I get this MIT Media Lab junior faculty position, it would be great to explore focusing Wikidata projects for some Media Lab students, as well :) [16:53:00] if someone here is interested in working on their thesis or similar with wikidata let me know [16:53:16] yay :) [16:53:43] and the last bigger thing we'll be working on is improving documentation for installing wikibase and the data model as well as help with making the query service more accessible [16:54:19] and with that we have some more time for more questions and or discussions [16:54:30] (quite a flowering of links and flourishing Wikidata projects here - thanks for this cornucopia! - and for for the coding opportunities, in so many languages even - appreciating the news in this office hour, too) [16:54:39] :) [16:55:18] things seem to be moving slow but every time i look back at a quarter there are quite a few really cool things happening all around wikidata and that makes me happy [16:55:37] Curious about exploring developing the SUBJECT TEMPLATE from WUaS in Wikidata (after donating WUaS to Wikidata last autumn) ... how might this work, Lydia? [16:55:48] It's just me, I'm also the kind of person that checks for app updates every day. [16:55:58] :D [16:56:01] that's cool [16:56:05] that is why we love you [16:56:19] Scott_WUaS: can you send me a link to the template via email? then i can have a look [16:56:27] with MIT OpenCourseWare in 7 languages and Yale OYC ... yes [16:56:51] (it's here too - http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2016/07/african-scops-owl-need-to-get-wuas.html - if it's ok to add this here) [16:57:18] what are your wishes for the next quarter? [16:57:30] we also crossed 100,000,000 statements in Wikidata [16:57:32] which is nice [16:57:39] yes! [16:57:42] I'm hoping for more UI improvements for items. [16:57:50] Yay, Denny! [16:58:24] sjoerddebruin: yes we have a great new UX person now and he's having an impact already and we will see more of that. [16:58:40] Yeah, I see the effects of it already on Phabricator. ;) [16:58:45] :) [16:58:49] I would like to add two small notes on the wiktionary and wikidata integration. [16:58:49] * matej_suchanek would like to say something [16:58:58] Okay, go on. Then we can finish up I guess. [16:59:04] (hungry!) [16:59:08] Epantaleo_: go ahead [16:59:08] First, as some people already know I have just started an IEG on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/A_graphical_and_interactive_etymology_dictionary_based_on_Wiktionary which will eventually generate data for Wikidata - among other things etymological relationships extracted from the English Wiktionary. Any feedback is welcome on the talk page. [16:59:11] then matej_suchanek [16:59:18] Second, Tobias recently started a Wikidata Wikiproject Etymology https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Etymology. I will add materials there soon. Feel free to contribute. [16:59:24] that's it :) [16:59:34] great [16:59:36] matej_suchanek: ? [16:59:44] Thanks, Epantaleo_ [16:59:47] I hope to get T110604 merged soon [16:59:47] T110604: [Story] Notification: Add notification when page is being connected to Wikidata - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110604 [17:00:04] matej_suchanek: ah yes. what is it stuck on currently? [17:00:29] daniel wants some Echo reviewers which have been busy this week unfortunately [17:00:36] ok makes sense [17:00:43] but we are almost at the end \o/ [17:00:44] i'll see if i can poke more [17:00:52] \o/ [17:00:57] thanks so much everyone for coming [17:00:58] reviewing is the hardest part :( [17:01:11] sjoerddebruin: why? [17:01:20] to get people reviewing is, sorry [17:01:32] yeah [17:01:47] coding it up is hard as well [17:01:49] ok i think we can let sjoerddebruin get something to eat now :D [17:02:07] have a good evening/rest of the day/... everyone [17:02:18] :) [17:02:22] #endmeeting [17:02:23] Meeting ended Fri Jul 8 17:02:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) [17:02:23] Minutes: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2016/wikimedia-office.2016-07-08-16.03.html [17:02:23] Minutes (text): https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2016/wikimedia-office.2016-07-08-16.03.txt [17:02:23] Minutes (wiki): https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2016/wikimedia-office.2016-07-08-16.03.wiki [17:02:23] Log: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2016/wikimedia-office.2016-07-08-16.03.log.html [17:02:51] Epantaleo_, Nice to hear from you again! [17:03:21] Hi Tobias, I just tried to ping you, couldn't manage to [17:03:40] also I forgot about Czech Wikidata workshop on the first Saturday in September but doesn't matter ;) [17:03:49] right... sorry... Thank you so much for your help and sorry for neing slow with my response [17:04:09] Epantaleo_, No problem. As long as wiktionary is missing, there is little we can do. [17:04:10] I work in bunches and was working on the software devel [17:04:28] but will contact you prob next week [17:04:32] right :) [17:04:36] Perfect. [17:04:48] great thanks [17:04:50] Epantaleo_, likewise, cice to hear from you again! :) [17:05:05] likewise :) [17:05:44] I have to go now, talk soon, bye everyone :) [17:05:58] :) talk soon [17:06:28] Bye everyone! [17:07:47] Bye, Tobias and all (would be curious to talk further about a universal translator in combination with Wikicite and etymological trees and Wiktionary and Wikidata)! [17:18:03] Scott_WUaS, sure [17:18:10] anytime [17:18:46] Great, Tobias! [17:19:32] scott, You should join the wikicite mailing list too. [17:22:29] Scott_WUaS, And you can of course add yourself here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Etymology [17:22:44] We will probably gather some thought until wiktionary is ready. [17:27:41] Thnx, Tobias - will follow you - https://twitter.com/tobias47n9e - too not only from https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch but also from - https://twitter.com/scottmacleod . [17:31:19] What's the link to the Wikicite email list, Tobias? WUaS's central SUBJECT TEMPLATE - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/SUBJECT_TEMPLATE (which is the basis of the current 720 WUaS will move into Wikidata is citation-centric). [17:33:25] WUaS donated CC WUaS to CC Wikidata last autumn. This blog link which I posted above will also inform our approach to citations - http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2016/07/african-scops-owl-need-to-get-wuas.html - and with, for example, Magnus's helpful approach to drag and drop citation [17:35:35] Scott_WUaS, This link should have all the information: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikicite [17:37:03] And here the mailing lists: http://meta.wikimedia.net.ru/wiki/WikiCite%202016#Mailing_lists