[13:01:12] Just so people are aware there will no be no Fundraising office hours today [18:52:00] Good morning. [18:52:09] Hey Pine [18:52:30] I'll stay opped to add the BlueJeans link if we get one [18:52:46] Do we have James Forrester as the voice of IRC today, or is someone else doing the honors? [18:53:32] foks: Aha, you got there before me on the /topic. [18:53:49] I'll be IRC monkey again, yes. [18:53:50] :) [18:57:52] brendan_campbell: could we do an AV check before the main program actually starts? I'm particularly interested in making sure that we get good audio, if possible. [18:58:30] Pine: An AV check is routine procedure, and has already been done. Issues that arise when broadcasting are difficult to anticipate. [18:58:41] Noted. [18:58:55] Yay metrics. [18:59:04] Yup yup. [18:59:06] Got my coffee and ready to go [18:59:17] OK, we're about to start. [18:59:24] Looking forward to Inspire Campaign report [18:59:39] As always, if you have questions please ask them here. [18:59:50] Ooh, an intro overlay. That's new. [18:59:58] James_F: I have two mentions in mind for Wikilove at the end of the meeting. [19:01:10] Hosting today is Juliet (it looks like) [19:01:11] I'll try to get you a response, either by asking them in the Q&A slot (at the end) or with one of the lovely denizens of IRC answering in advance. [19:01:14] And we're off. [19:01:19] Hello! [19:01:34] Oh. [19:01:39] Actually Kacie. :) [19:02:04] * marktraceur thought the theme thing had been happening for months already [19:02:08] Hey, I met Juliet at the last BA WikiSalon. :-) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bay_Area_WikiSalon_Oct_2016_-_10.jpg [19:02:08] It's off-center!!! [19:04:13] Hey funcrunch! [19:04:17] Glad you are here. : ) [19:04:25] Hey Jethro! Looking forward to your talk :-) [19:05:59] Pine: we do do an audio check, but i always welcome feedback during the broadcast. even if i don't respond, it doesnt hurt [19:06:16] brendan_campbell: ok thanks. It sounds good at the moment. [19:06:32] brendan_campbell: you can boot me from the hangout - i hear i'm in it 3 times haha. watching the youtube stream [19:06:44] mhurd: right on [19:07:17] well, i was able to dump one iteration of monte haha [19:07:23] the other two are being stubborn. no worries [19:07:29] brendan_campbell: lol [19:07:30] hah : ) [19:08:55] Link: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct/Draft [19:09:07] It's OK. We could use three of mhurd anyway. [19:09:13] We welcome your support. [19:10:12] Pine: release teh clones! [19:10:23] Welcome to all! Especially the CTO! [19:10:24] :P [19:10:54] Welcome to everyone. :) [19:11:32] And congrats on the anniversaries. We're glad to have you. [19:12:38] that eu. prefix always baffles me [19:12:40] Donostia San Sebastian is in the Basque Country in Spain. [19:12:48] DarTar, Euskara [19:12:56] = Basque in Basque :) [19:12:57] I know ;) [19:13:11] I didn't until like three years ago! [19:13:26] A truly incredible language. [19:14:02] I had some of my most memorable summer days in Donostia and also gave up quickly trying to learn some Basque [19:14:58] Congrats to everyone. That's a huge milestone for French Wikisource. [19:16:01] I wish for a $2 million budget for Cascadia Wikimedians. [19:16:16] * Pine can dream [19:16:20] Speaking rn: i_jethrobot [19:19:22] re: ineffectiveness of current moderation strategies. Data from our research collab with Jigsaw on harassment indicates that up to 82% of comments categorized as personal attacks aren’t followed by any warning or block [19:19:38] DarTar: Gosh. Thank you for that. [19:19:43] woa [19:19:46] (that’s on enwiki and limited to comments from the last year only) [19:20:00] * James_F nods. [19:20:04] DarTar: might be interesting to correlate how that has changed over time. I wonder if the declining number of ENWP administrators has a correlation to that. [19:20:43] paper is currently under review but you can look at some of the (scary) findings in this preprint https://arxiv.org/abs/1610.08914 [19:20:52] or ping ellery if you have questions [19:21:08] I'd expect changing community norms would be more like correlated with that when you take things over the long term [19:21:28] Pine: ellery showed me a plot on exactly this in the morning, I’ll ask him to post on Meta [19:21:35] Sounds good [19:22:44] Hey that's me :-) [19:22:52] I tend to think that increasing the population of active admins will help, along with better training for admins and improved blocking tools to keep socks off of the site. [19:23:47] It seems to me, though, that there isn't a lot of gratitude for admins who try to do good work, and I can fully understand why people don't volunteer for the job. [19:23:49] DarTar, what is jigsaw? [19:23:51] WMF might want to think about that. [19:24:23] matt_flaschen: former Google Ideas, formal collaborators on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Detox [19:24:41] "better training for admins" is being worked on by Support and Safety. [19:24:44] see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigsaw_(company) [19:24:55] See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Training_modules [19:25:25] Thank you DarTar, foks. Interesting links. [19:25:34] :) [19:26:46] Thanks, DarTar, HaeB [19:26:59] yw [19:27:29] Thanks for your support i_jethrobot! [19:27:34] It just froze for me. Anyone else? [19:27:45] video not playing [19:27:47] I still have video [19:27:50] Great update i_jethrobot [19:27:53] now it’s playing [19:27:56] It's playing now [19:27:59] Works after refresh [19:28:14] where does this video live? [19:28:25] CKoerner_WMF: Thanks! [19:29:00] victorgrigas: It was played from YouTube but I don't have a link. [19:29:29] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIXsOe67nh0 [19:29:32] I'll make sure it's linked in the agenda. [19:29:33] The postcards were amazing last year. :) [19:29:35] Ha. Thanks foks. [19:29:48] No licensing information, alas. [19:30:51] victorgrigas: i guess it's this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WAM_Multi_Language.webm [19:31:30] Oh that's super cool [19:31:40] Well, this was the English version: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WAM_English.webm [19:31:46] Aw HaeB, you beat me to it : P [19:32:04] Ah... then the YouTube video probably ought to flag that it's CC-licensed [19:32:07] :) [19:32:13] Don't forget CentralNotice! [19:32:27] There it is :D [19:32:44] How could we forget [19:32:47] foks: It's CC BY-SA, which is not availble on YouTube [19:32:48] :P [19:32:54] Ainali_, oh, I see [19:34:42] Ainali_: easily solved by linking the commons version from the youtube version (such as in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbRLlhFS4f8 ) [19:35:46] unfortunate that youtube only has one CC option [19:35:48] HaeB: yes [19:39:21] Thanks, Addis! [19:39:30] James_F: questions for Addis: do you know how many people clicked through the Centralnotice banners and how many of those participated in the campaign? How many of people who participated were newly registered editors? [19:39:45] Thanks Pine. [19:40:07] welcome Victoria! [19:41:36] Getting into a position of good knowledge in less than a month would be impressive. [19:41:45] 3-6 months seems more typical for new Cs. [19:43:27] Victoria started during an exciting week ;) [19:43:32] I'm very much looking forward to office hours for her. [19:43:49] We seem to have a lot of exciting weeks. [19:43:51] Hah. "Welcome to Wikimedia; it's security breach week!" [19:43:53] she's great, we got to meet her briefly in our staff meeting [19:44:06] Yup - very down to earth :) [19:44:23] brilliant and down to earth: hard to find that combo [19:45:47] I think that's $550k? [19:45:52] Yes [19:46:00] an odd way of writing it :P [19:46:14] When dealing with the WMF budget, it makes sense [19:47:24] Is the Maps team under Discovery or Reading? [19:47:31] Ainali_: Discovery. [19:47:43] On the Discovery user engagement metric: a significant part of that 155% increase is due to an implementation change in the metric. We have also seen more gradual increases due to our feature rollouts improving search. [19:49:21] Deskana: big props for the disclaimer [19:49:49] I'm looking forward to seeing what happens with the multimedia search improvements. [19:51:02] Pine: Do you mean the special operators which were announced last week? They're pretty cool. [19:51:28] James_F: yes. I'm looking forward to seeing the graphical search interface support those. [19:51:31] (For context, https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2016-November/086995.html ) [19:51:50] See this for more information on the Discovery user engagement jump: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3ADiscovery_FY2016-17_Q1_review.pdf&page=14 [19:52:00] Thank you, Deskana. [19:52:37] positive changes are BIG [19:52:50] The good things are so good, they literally blow up the presentation [19:52:51] : ) [19:52:55] lol! [19:53:22] It's just reflecting our bigger scale. [19:53:46] Pine: I'm not sure I'm aware of that work; do you have a Phabricator ticket so I can follow along? [19:54:27] James_F: for the graphical interface changes to make multimedia search easily accessible? [19:54:35] Yes. [19:54:37] "writ large" was a couple slides back [19:55:02] I'm excited to see us taking a broader view and understanding we have broader resources. [19:55:14] I haven't seen a phab thread; this is under discussion on the Discovery mailing list. What I'm gathering is that there will be a beta in early 2017, although that may be my optimistic reading of the situation. [19:55:29] matt_flaschen: Absolutely. It's inspiring. [19:55:29] There are some wider things we can do that impact our mission (things like open access, open standards, education, freedom of speech) [19:55:43] Pine: Aha, OK, thank you. Will follow-up later. [19:56:39] This slide is very bonnie. [19:57:14] It froze again for me. [19:57:35] We're almost out of time, does that mean a lack of Q&A? [19:57:50] marktraceur: Hopefully not. [19:58:04] (I've got a meeting in 2 minutes, though. :-() [19:59:06] Sorry, all. Things went over. We're going to do Q&A for those who can stay. [19:59:33] jbarbara: you may need to take over for James_F as the voice of IRC, since James may need to run. :( [19:59:42] I'm moving meetings right now. [19:59:47] Worry not. [19:59:48] matt_flaschen: love your (sorted) list :) [19:59:49] Yay, thanks jbarbara. (I don't have a question, but it seems important) [20:00:45] DarTar, it's not sorted, but thanks. :) [20:00:56] there was underpants gnomes joke in there somewhere [20:01:34] matt_flaschen: boo [20:02:09] laptop about to die, bye folks [20:02:29] OK thanks [20:02:32] Pine: Unfortunately that data is not easily or readily available to volunteers for community campaigns. It's going to be a wishlist item :P [20:02:47] For CentralNotice [20:03:11] You can, for things like this, guesstimate through pageviews [20:03:20] I imagine a lot of pageviews came through CN [20:03:23] Seddon: for the Community Tech Wishlist? [20:03:40] To get information during Wikipedia 15 took at lot of preparation and support from engineering. [20:04:13] Yeah, in advance as well though, we used url parameters which need to be set up ahead of time. [20:04:29] It's complicated atm. [20:04:33] Pine: yeah, about $400,000 of grants to community grounds and individuals are directly supported by CentralNotice [20:05:05] No furry friends in the WMF office this month? :-) [20:05:05] Pine: but being able to readily provide stats on it's usage is not something we can do at the moment [20:05:19] WikiLove to Yuri and the his team for the awesome work with maps! [20:05:24] WikiLove, Pine? [20:05:24] Wikilove: thank you Ann L for organizing the engagement survey [20:05:31] thanks Ainali_ ! [20:05:32] foks: out of time, sorry :( [20:05:38] Gotta run! [20:05:40] They're doing it right now. [20:05:42] Oh. [20:05:44] OK! [20:08:46] Thanks everyone. [20:08:52] MaxSem, jgirault, CKoerner_WMF, gehel, debt ^^^ [20:08:54] foks: Can you fix the /topic? [20:09:06] Yes