[03:00:33] :> [10:26:05] I wonder if I'll ever find a conversation about how legoktm isn't awesome anymore. I'm not going to bet on it. [18:00:02] Hey everyone. [18:00:05] thanks, James_F. [18:00:11] I'm IRC flunkey as normal. [18:00:16] Starting very soon. [18:00:22] All-remote again. [18:00:57] miriam_: so James_F is the person who collects questions, as usual. :) [18:01:00] Hello errybody! [18:01:26] hey foks. [18:01:32] Stream is just giving me a spinning wheel of doom. [18:01:35] thanks leila! Hello all! [18:01:40] Me too [18:01:56] Are we supposed to have started yet? [18:02:01] Started just now, hopefully. [18:02:07] ok, miriam_: RoanKattouw is your other best friend, for directing questions. [18:02:08] For those here not aware - this will be an entirely remote Metrics because the Foundation office is closed. [18:02:11] But on a delay due to the wonders of streams. [18:02:19] So expect problems. [18:02:21] :D [18:02:25] foks: :D [18:02:33] Will there be an open house for the new office? :-) [18:02:45] The slides are not being presented [18:02:49] Oh now they are [18:03:02] "We're between offices at the moment." [18:03:05] funcrunch: I have a feeling there will be not scheduled yet! [18:03:07] funcrunch, it's a long story! [18:03:25] oh! miriam_, you already made it to the slides. :D [18:03:40] What the... [18:03:40] What is a "conversion" (per slide) [18:03:48] A third Niharika ! [18:04:05] funcrunch: Switching from contractor to full time/permanent [18:04:06] Welcome all! [18:04:07] * leila claps for mark and ezachte, and others. [18:04:10] funcrunch, "conversion" = move from contractor to permenat [18:04:14] Got it [18:04:21] Congrats to all those who are converting, joining, celebrating anniversaries!!! <3 [18:04:28] clap clap [18:04:39] :) [18:04:47] * Jamesofur claps his hand in a circle [18:04:52] 👏 [18:04:53] :p [18:06:05] new office <--- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_headquarters#One_Montgomery_Tower [18:06:07] foks or someone who knows: How does one nominate things to be listed on the "coming up in $month" slide in the community update? [18:06:24] RoanKattouw: I think you talk to María. [18:06:26] Lovely to hear you, Dimi! [18:06:47] RoanKattouw, what James said. :) [18:06:51] yea. it's great to have Dimi here! :) [18:07:23] Cool thanks [18:08:04] morning swat? [18:09:17] mutante: nah I'm good today thanks ;) [though I imagine wrong channel ;) ] [18:09:54] for the record, I think Greg said "Rapid Grants is wrapping up." Don't worry, we're not wrapping up -- we're just getting started! [18:10:21] heh [18:10:46] no, i say it here because it seems everybody is distracted by metrics metting :) [18:11:28] ahhhh fair enough :P [18:14:17] Sharing knowledge and a global knowledge society is itself a political agenda. We support it, but not everyone does. [18:14:23] So the work Dimi and others are doing is essential. [18:14:26] We should continue partnering with other organizations and work for a free, open, informed world. [18:20:21] http://www.webjunction.org/explore-topics/wikipedia-libraries.html [18:20:29] Thanks melodykramer! [18:23:26] James_F: question for the speaker, please. Have they experimented with asking librarians to add facts to wikidata along with their references, or just provide references for the facts already there? If yes, what have they learned? if not, where there any blockers that stopped them? [18:23:32] [applause] [18:23:52] leila: Sure. [18:23:58] thanks, James_F. [18:27:24] Feel free to prepare your WikiLove for James_F as well ;) [18:27:38] either wikilove FOR James - or for him to read - you pick ;) [18:27:40] @leila : the goal of the grant is largely Wikipedia focused, because public librarians mostly interference with information seekers [18:27:44] Absolutely, happy to read aloud dedications of love for others. [18:28:07] I believe they aren't introducing sister projects until later in the curriculum [18:28:54] sadads: what do you mean by "information seekers"? [18:28:56] There have been so many 1D jokes during this process :) [18:29:05] I feel like we should invite them to Cape Town. [18:29:14] <3 one direction joke [18:29:18] guillom: Didn't they split up? Bad omen. ;-) [18:29:22] members of the public, students, continuing education folks [18:29:32] They're regroup for us!!!11 [18:29:35] They're on haïtus! [18:29:37] unlike academic libraries, which spend a lot of energy on data, public libraries have a different audience [18:29:42] * K4-713 squints at guillom [18:29:54] leila: <3 [18:30:07] hiatus = seeing if they can make enough $$ in solo careers before officially disbanding in case they need to go back to the 1D cash cow [18:30:23] Heh. :) [18:30:26] varnent: behave :p [18:30:27] ...It could work. [18:30:42] after Metrics will be the 1D Podcast - hosted by guillom, foks, and I [18:30:47] :D [18:30:49] varnent, so you're saying there's a chance. [18:31:06] Featuring a karaoke rendition of "Sign of the Times" by Harry Styles from varnent [18:31:11] matt_flaschen: As Harvey Milk said - you have to given them hope! [18:31:18] matt_flaschen: was that a dumb and dumber joke? [18:31:23] *give [18:31:56] sadads: if their audience are students and continuing education folks, wikidata would still be relevant (perhaps depending on their field). [18:32:51] DarTar: was the a WikiLove or a heart for the question? /me is confused. :D [18:33:09] your q about Wikidata [18:33:15] got it. thanks. [18:33:54] @leila -- its not as much college students/professionals at most public libraries, but high school students, GED level education, etc. I recommend reading the blog series Merillee mentioned its really insightful in terms of problems American public libraries are trying to work on: http://www.webjunction.org/explore-topics/wikipedia-libraries.html [18:34:08] Any other questions to prepare? Given we're releasing 3D right now, I doubt we have time for 1D. ;-) [18:34:19] atgomez, I don't think I've seen Dumb and Dumber, but maybe indirectly. :) [18:36:18] sadads: sure. thanks, but from a cursory look: that doesn't answer why not Wikidata (it talks about why Wikipedia). anyhow, we can hear the response soon. thanks! :) [18:37:46] We will have time for questions related to strategy or any of the topics we have touched on - so feel free to post them here. :) [18:38:12] haha there's a scene where one of them is asking if he has a chance… like maybe 1/100? and the other person says something like "maybe 1 in a million…" and he says "so… you're saying there's a chance?" and celebrates. will find the clip for you :P [18:38:16] matt_flaschen: ^ [18:38:45] :D [18:38:59] James_F, we can just do 1D three times. [18:39:11] atgomez, yeah, that sounds familiar :) [18:39:26] matt_flaschen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne56PCUFKDs for future reference :D [18:40:31] Wikidata is relevant to knowledge seekers too, especially as its incorporated in Wikipedia. [18:41:04] But also, I think Wikidata would be pretty useful directly for someone who spoke a language with a less-developed Wikipedia, particularly if librarians helped flesh out the property translations. [18:41:14] Which I think is very consistent with librarians' traditional reference desk role. [18:41:26] cc leila [18:42:24] It's also a good way to decide what articles to create. [18:43:15] agreed, matt_flaschen. now, I can see it may be harder to convince people to edit Wikidata. Wikipedia is a brand known by many. An edit on Wikipedia can be motivated by: "you edit and the world see it immediately". You have the same level of motivation for some aspects of editing on Wikidata (for example if the change immediately appears in the infobox). [18:43:26] +1 matt_flaschen, translations of property descriptions, labels, item descriptions is such a low hanging fruit and a big impact initiative for making Wikimedia contents multilingual, as frimelle showed (check her talk if you missed it) [18:45:47] “it may be harder to convince people to edit Wikidata” a good working hypothesis we could give some empirical love at some point ;) [18:46:52] DarTar, leila, also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ArticlePlaceholder (another frimelle project). But Wikidata goes live immediately too, and the entity itself may be relevant to some people if properly translated. [18:47:13] @Matt_flaschen et al: wikidat is 5 steps removed from public librarian work (reference desk, local history, education for folks with limited formal education, job applications, access to government resources, etc). Academic and research librarians have the skills, interests, and training relevant to Wikidata and other kinds of data [18:48:13] sadads, I disagree. I think it's very consistent with a reference desk role (see above), especially when you consider languages that don't have a Wikipedia with 5.5 million articles. [18:48:25] agreed matt_flaschen. depending on what you decide to work on, some of the work will immediately goes live as well. [18:48:43] It's a great way to get facts like "population of Boston" available to every language efficiently. [18:50:43] Question: Guillaume called the document "almost final." Is it still useful for people to offer comments? [18:50:47] There is a reason we wrote two different white papers with the International Federation of Library associations.... http://www.ifla.org/node/11131 [18:51:08] one is for public libraries and one is for academic and research libraries, because they are two different fields entirely.... [18:52:06] jmatazzoni_: comments are closed. The last few days are for the team to integrate them. You may still comment but I can't guarantee that your comment will be taken into account. [18:52:38] Thanks guillom. [18:53:36] #cutenessforthewin [18:53:46] Final plea for questions and WikiLove. :-) [18:54:24] hmm. sadads: why? aren't you asking both parties to add references? I understand how the way you explain things can be different depending on the audience, but I'm missing why we say Wikidata is not suited for public librarians (are we saying this, btw?). [18:56:18] thanks, James_F. [18:56:32] leila: Thank *you*. :-) [18:57:33] agreed with M, metadata librarians is a different constituency [18:58:07] not everyone gets excited about PIDs, DOIs, VIAF IDs, ISBNs, ORCIDs [18:58:14] :D [18:58:17] My "question" is - what's up with this Star Trek outfit???? [18:58:24] James_F, are they working with librarians in other countries? [18:58:33] what foks said [18:58:37] Pix or it didn't happen [18:59:00] varnent: I can see you, jsut so you know. [18:59:10] but opportunities of public engagement for structured data involvng the public and facilitated by librarians are largely untapped IMO [18:59:18] foks: it's basically just me thinking KM's very white and fitted outfit looks very Star Trek - for no real reason [18:59:19] DarTar: it's a bit the question of interface, too. Basically, there are tools that are built on top of Wikidata, and those tools and editing via those tools (think Monumental) can speak to the interests and needs of specialized audiences that don't get excited about: "add a reference to a property in a wikidata item page". [18:59:38] varnent, oh. :( [18:59:53] * foks was really hoping it was a Klingon outfit or something. [18:59:55] WikiLove to Brendan for being a rock (and rockstar) at Wikimania doing the livestreams. [18:59:57] leila: yes, tailored interfaces/applications for different groups/use cases [19:00:02] * guillom looked at the seating chart for the new office and was excited to see that he would be sitting next to DarTar and leila! [19:00:04] (Realize this is a little late. Still want to pass the Love.) [19:00:16] Wikilove: Thank you to the facilities and admin team and everyone who has made the move happen! [19:00:27] guillom, was or is? [19:00:30] krmaher: thanks for the review of the strategy process/steps/etc. I lose track of it every once in a while and the overview helps. :) [19:00:41] thank you all! :) [19:00:46] oh guillom I haven’t fully studied the new office topography :) [19:01:01] leila, so glad to hear that! sometimes it feels as though we're repeating ourselves constantly, so glad it is useful! [19:01:23] You're still live folks [19:01:26] subbu: I sill am, but I was trying to use the appropriate sequence of tenses [19:01:29] stream is still live folks [19:01:38] brendan_campbell: [19:01:40] ^ [19:01:43] Sequence of tenses in English is still confusing to me :) [19:01:47] yeah, I know, krmaher. I've been there. but it's so complex for those (like me) who are not completely in it like you and others. so please keep these updates (especially the verbal/audio ones) coming. [19:02:02] varnent, still being recorded. [19:02:29] Alright, time for not-staff lunch. [19:02:40] guillom: yeah. me is very hungry, too. :D [19:02:43] ttyl folks. [19:02:45] leila, absolutely! the good (?) news is that the next year is about translating and incorporating it into our regular work, so people should start to feel incorporated from across the orgaization in a more meaningful way [19:03:11] yeah. that would be easier, krmaher. once we know what we're talking about, things get muuuch easier. :)