[17:55:41] Hey everyone [17:55:47] I'm IRCing today as ever. [17:56:04] That means if you have questions, suggestions or follow-ups, please shout them out in here as we go. [17:56:11] HELLO [17:56:14] At the end of the hour, we'll try to get those outstanding questions answered. [17:56:29] The office is super dark. [17:56:38] Or, of course, the wonderful fellow denizens of this channel will have answered them in more depth than we could have. [17:57:02] Question: Why is the office so dark? [17:57:02] And yes, this is the first one of these from the new office. Possible technical gremlins. [17:57:24] foks: So we can see the screens. [17:57:52] Boooooo [17:59:01] OK, we'll be starting soon. [17:59:50] … hopefully. :-) [18:00:09] office is dark so that we dont flood the projector screens. we'll have to figure out a better solution for the future [18:00:21] Thanks, brendan_campbell. [18:00:27] the lights above the screens cant be turned off unless several lights are turned off [18:00:28] It's all good, brendan_campbell, I was just messing with James. [18:01:26] This month our compère is Jaime Villagomez, the Wikimedia Foundation's Chief Financial Officer. [18:01:32] Stream starting now. [18:01:43] Before, we had three screens. Why now do we have two screens. [18:01:44] ? [18:01:48] Hmm. Youtube is just showing me a whiteish gradient. Is this a "me" problem? [18:01:48] Well, this is Robert. [18:02:07] Oh wait, there it goes. [18:02:11] jaufrecht: We don't have the space for three screens, by the looks of it. [18:02:47] This bit isn't really relevant to non-SF-staff. :D [18:02:53] But might be interesting anyway! [18:03:35] lol [18:05:55] Congrats / welcome, all! [18:08:04] [Katy Love] [18:08:12] FYI: I aim to stream some sessions on the Diveristy conference [18:08:36] I'd be interested to see those, @Ainali [18:08:58] We hired a contractor named "Yongmin Hong" whose username is "-revi"... not "Revi Hong" although I can the confusion since we mainly call him "revi" :P [18:10:27] way to Price is Right game that, Juliet. [18:10:32] Ainali: nice! [18:12:03] Yeah, one of my pix :-) (bottom right) [18:12:12] *yay that is [18:12:20] \o/ [18:12:25] can we have the slide/speaker thing? [18:12:29] please :) [18:12:36] delphine, the inset image? [18:13:00] yes that would be grand. I know the light isn't super, but I like to see Katy when she spaks more engaging ;) [18:13:12] Whose Knowledge rocks! [18:13:18] delphine: coming soon :) the AV space here isn't quite finished yet, but that feature will return next metrics meeting [18:13:19] brendan_campbell, ^ suggestion :D [18:13:22] oh, I see [18:15:44] the lighting will also be better next month. we're using a camcorder now because the stage PTZ camera is currently obstructed by string lights. The PTZ cam handles low light much better than the camcorder [18:16:02] looks like Ireland on that map includes N Ireland [18:16:07] ok! [18:16:12] jaufrecht, it doesn't [18:16:18] it has a little notch in the top [18:16:29] weird that we're not including guatemala, honduras, and nicaragua [18:16:34] nor el salvador [18:17:01] aka "none of central america is emerging, except for mexico and panama" [18:17:13] I think it's "emerging" in our context, right [18:17:21] not a general economic one [18:17:32] (e.g. there's some Wikimedia momentum there already [18:17:46] so it's the lack of wiki user groups in central america? [18:17:53] but I don't know, not being on that team. :) I'm sure Katy'd love to answer [18:17:58] (mexico is not actually central america. so it's only panama i guess) [18:18:26] cscott: There's a whole page of discussion on meta following on from the wikimedia-l thread – might be best place to ask detailed questions? [18:18:40] o_O [18:18:43] link? [18:18:47] sure. maybe i should dig up the wikimedia-l thread as well? [18:18:48] What thread? [18:19:01] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Engagement/Defining_Emerging_Communities etc. [18:19:05] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Engagement/Defining_Emerging_Communities [18:19:14] Thanks neilpquinn ;-) [18:19:18] thanks [18:19:23] thanks [18:19:34] * cscott wonders if there's an echo in here [18:19:39] I'm happy to ask a question aloud too, of course. :-) [18:19:54] But it might be more valuable for you on-wiki. [18:19:54] "Exclude from "emerging communities" countries where there are fewer than 10 active editors in the most-edited language (This excludes, for instance, Niger and Mali, but still includes, for instance, Uganda and Kenya.)" [18:19:56] I guess that's it. [18:23:07] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACommunity_Engagement%2FDefining_Emerging_Communities&type=revision&diff=17361108&oldid=17341152 [18:23:36] less than 10 active editors in any country other than Panama, perhaps? But certainly more than 10 if you take central america as a whole. [18:24:11] suggests the criteria might be inadvertently biased against the situation where a number of smallish countries share a single wiki project [18:24:46] Mm [18:27:17] cscott, olpc laptops :) [18:27:38] subbu: mostly south american projects, and south america seemed to make our cut [18:28:02] but went to middle and high school in honduras and guatemala, so i notice their absence. ;) [18:28:24] * cscott wonders if he should suggest Catalonia as an emerging community. [18:28:35] it meets all the criteria, i believe [18:29:01] 582 active editors, 4.1 million native speakers [18:31:04] cscott, possibly yes [18:31:17] certainly seems to [18:31:32] I think that separating it entirely from Spain is a bit of a hot topic right now though [18:33:40] yes, so another reason why maybe the current criteria are getting hung up about the definition of "country" [18:34:11] in both catalonia and central america it would probably be more useful to treat them as regions sharing a culture and wiki project, instead of trying to parse UN definitions [18:37:47] mm [18:37:49] * cscott tuned out to write a comment on the talk page, and now there's a commercial taking over our meeting feed? [18:38:12] Oh, the video running now is not freely licensed.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URGz-HboxyU [18:38:51] there are free versions of that product idea ;) [18:41:46] slides? [18:42:04] Yeah, I was not talking about the idea, but of the license of the video. The WMF stream is CC BY, but that video was Standard Youtube license. I am pretty sure they are not compatible. [18:42:10] aren't the slides not changing? [18:42:21] ah now they are [18:42:47] Ainali: Perhaps the video is mis-identified on YouTube. It's relatively common. [18:44:56] James_F: Hopefully. And hopefully corrected before this video is uploaded to Commons. Otherwise I fear it might get deleted. [18:44:56] James_F: Hopefully. And hopefully corrected before this video is uploaded to Commons. Otherwise I fear it might get deleted. [18:46:48] Ainali, Comms (who put this on commons) are aware now :) [18:47:10] (they also plan these meetings in general, generally) [18:48:12] Any questions? [18:48:19] I have none so far. [18:48:29] cscott, maybe you want to phrase your point as a question? [18:49:31] foks: the country definition one, or the "oh look, another commercial competitor to the free offline school server projects" snark? [18:49:49] Depends how you want to play it. ;) [18:50:35] (I'd probably recommend against the snark, personally...) [18:50:50] i like commercial companies helping schools. i just hope that WMF doesn't lavish attention on the commerical companies while ignoring the free/open projects. [18:51:22] i don't know enough to know if it is "lavishing attention" so i'm not going to go in the snark direction right now [18:51:56] $900! [18:52:00] Questions ... ? [18:52:20] no, i asked my country questions on the talk page [18:52:23] Thanks everyone. [22:21:08] https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/1NCLuk4Q2YE2lDpY4P-F10g46S7cQHfoQL8gygVBLrpo/edit?usp=sharing [22:24:37] I included a link to the slides in my e-mail to Adam, but he didn't include them in his e-mail. I'll follow-up: [22:24:37] https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/1NCLuk4Q2YE2lDpY4P-F10g46S7cQHfoQL8gygVBLrpo/edit?usp=sharing [22:25:07] Wrong pane. Sorry everyone. [22:25:16] quiddity: ^ [22:25:55] thanks :)