[17:44:10] Metrics starts in about 20 minutes. :) [17:44:14] I'll be the IRC czar. [17:51:02] Hello, foks, o glorious tsar. [17:51:05] 10 minutes to go. How exciting! [17:51:15] * foks graciously bows. [17:53:20] Good morning. [17:54:02] Hi Pine! [17:54:08] foks: don't forget the globus cruciger, the sceptre and the sword [17:54:17] :D [17:56:10] Who is the voice of IRC today for purposes of the meeting? [17:56:45] Pine: that'd be me :D [17:57:06] Cool. [17:57:14] Please relay any questions my way [17:58:15] Today's meeting is sponsored by the letter W and the number 1819. [17:58:22] Right? Right. [17:58:51] That's Numberwang! [17:59:45] We're almost go. [18:09:30] * Pine applauds for the live language changes [18:09:32] That's super cool. [18:10:15] it being open source is not a cause for the lack of translation coverage. Those are unrelated issues. :/ [18:12:15] WikiLove to that guy. [18:12:32] Though I'm not convinced it's all the UK. Probably just the English pyramid. But details! [18:12:47] Yeah, only 100 stadia? Sounds very low. [18:13:06] Ya. Probably just the Football League. [18:13:22] That's less than one pitch per 700k people! :-) [18:16:31] Is "focussed" en-GB? [18:17:40] James_F presenting instead of facilitating IRC questions is breaking my brain [18:18:02] heh :D [18:18:11] harej: nope, it's a typo. ;) [18:18:35] Oh. Actually, apparently "yes". [18:18:46] But I have never seen anyone use that spelling. ;) [18:18:54] Until now I guess! [18:20:31] That's one complicated spreadsheet. [18:21:00] Remember, I'm here to relay your questions! [18:22:04] foks: that was someone on the hangout btw. all is good, i muted them [18:22:12] brendan_campbell: yeah, figured :D [18:22:32] thanks! [18:24:23] Foks: I have heard that there are licensing considerations that come into play when editing or displaying map information on wiki because OSM uses a different kicense than WP. Can you ask Joe to talk a little about how licensing works when Wikimedia sites display OSM maps or changes information that was originally placed in OSM? [18:24:39] *license [18:24:45] Certainly can [18:26:49] Pine: I’m away from my computer, but I believe the licensing is comparable. We link to our maps terms of use, wikidata ids (when used) and OSM at the bottom of every map. [18:27:39] We have bags of time. [18:29:36] I know the idea of bringing OSM itself into the Wikimedia fold has been kicked around at various times. We also don't have a dedicated maps team anymore, because of reasons that don't reflect a lack of importance for continued development in that area. Beyond maintenance for the new maps improvements, what are the bigger picture plans for pushing maps forward? [18:29:47] Thanks, will ask [18:33:42] [Tilman] [18:33:56] Just realised I wasn't flagging those. That answer was from Ryan Kaldari [18:34:31] also wanted to mention that we do attribute the data to OSM [18:39:04] What's the page with the Workflow information? I think I missed it [18:39:19] AntiComposite: James_F can grab that when he gets to his laptop. [18:39:33] I believe you can search for "taxonomy" on mediawiki.org for it. [18:39:41] it'll come up, I imagine [18:40:01] I suppose also, that, if the workflow looks and feels familiar between wikis, it's fine if they internally and thus emulate the different wikitext/title-based workflows. [18:40:35] Yup, there it is, I think https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Audiences/Contribution_taxonomy [18:41:16] thanks AntiComposite :D [18:41:21] that looks right [18:41:30] Has all the right words in it [18:41:59] (James summed up what Joe said off-mic, ftr) [18:42:48] Yup, what AntiComposite said. [18:43:26] [Danny Horn] [18:43:36] BTW, here are these numbers about how often per day a workflow happens https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jTJaYnLXrsqfplKaMcKSWR-9qpKP1xOu1gqRq4C8rhw/edit#gid=0&range=R1:V1 [18:44:07] Any other Qs? [18:44:09] ... although i guess they aren't a total count ? (not a plenary question) [18:44:37] HaeB: Not sure I understand the question? [18:44:57] I can relay WikiLove from here. :D [18:45:17] Foks: For Wikilove, I would like to congratulate Portugese Wikipedia for reaching 1 million articles. [18:45:25] ... James_F e.g. does this mean that the average number of copyvio speedy deletions on enwiki is 25? [18:46:02] Pine: thanks!!! [18:46:04] Really sad that maps are being explicitly deprioritized like that. It's such an important part of the free knowledge ecosystem, and being so-underresourced relative to it's value to the world. [18:46:05] big milestone!! [18:46:52] HaeB: Yes. Note that the numbers were rough and might have changed since they were measured back in April/May. [18:47:14] Ragesoss: I think not so much depreciated as moved into maintenance mode. [18:47:14] Can confirm. Turns out people love Wikipedia! [18:47:37] Any other love to relay? [18:48:08] Pine: I said 'deprioritized'. As in, there used to be a maps team, now there's not, and there are no plans to build more maps features except via wishlist. [18:48:18] James_F: ok. interesting! [18:48:28] wikilove to the WMDE technical wishes team for fileimporter/exporter, advanced search and diff improvements [18:48:29] Sorry, I read depreciated. [18:48:45] thedj: Oh, absolutely. [18:48:51] thedj: thanks! sorry you just missed the cut [18:49:31] James_F: what mechanisms do you have for measuring every time a very specific thing happens in a given community? Have you automated this, or is it based on spot checks? [18:49:44] too late, but... wikilove for the search team. I've been building a feature on top of the search API, and it's really impressive how much better search is than it used to be. [18:49:49] harej: A mix. Some things can be done automatically. [18:50:13] foks: damn. stream be slow ;) [18:50:43] Sorry :( [18:50:54] ragesoss: I can try to pass that on! [18:50:55] James_F: have you indexed which measurements you have instrumented? [18:51:22] foks: I've said as much in the discovery IRC channel, but repeating it can't hurt. [18:51:23] James_F: lovely work on the workflows, also tell abby. been looking for that kind of work to happen since 2010 or so. [18:52:09] +1 about the workflows. important work. [18:52:18] Thanks for facilitating, Foks. [18:53:19] James_F: i wonder if the workflows could be captured in lua/js and that way we can more easily show people what step of a process people are currently in or something like that. [18:54:23] actually coupling actions of the flow to the current wikiprocesses might be very hard, but reflecting where a process is at, might be much easier and also very helpful. [18:56:25] thedj: Thank you. [18:56:50] thedj: Yes, that's a nice idea. [18:56:52] ragesoss: btw: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Programs_%26_Events_Dashboard#My_review_of_the_dashboard [18:57:26] I worry about encoding workflow into software (even if just to list states), because that impedes community flexibility. [18:57:59] James_F: yeah, but they can just add another step to a local lua diagram or something, not much harm. [18:58:14] Perhaps. :-) [18:58:42] thedj: yeah, I saw and skimmed Piotr's feedback. good stuff! [18:59:06] writing up issues for a bunch of it is on my todo list. [19:00:55] oh... I have been thinking about workflow support fro so long! [19:02:11] workflow state could be done with mcr (but template params are also ok for now). State transitions and ui would be done in JS. A nice JS API that poweruses could build on top of would probably do the trick. [19:19:27] DanielK_WMDE: Yeah, could be interesting. Let's talk about it in Prague, once MCR is "finished". ;-) [19:29:43] James_F: hehe