[08:31:50] <_joe_> yeah sorry I'm on vacation [13:19:35] heya DanielK_WMDE, q about the wiki gui for schema browsing idea. [13:19:41] since we will likely not use git for revisioning [13:19:50] all schemas would be accessible in the HEAD of the repo [13:20:09] do you know of mw extensions that just turn filesystem files into wiki pages? [13:20:24] we really just need a filesystem http server with some fancy features [13:34:18] i guess i can google tooo [14:24:25] ottomata: hey. sorry, just go back from a meeting [14:24:45] ottomata: full pages, no, but I once wrote an extension that transcludes html snippets from files (or http). [14:25:21] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets [14:25:36] havn't touched it in like 7 years, no idea if it still works :) [14:26:44] ottomata: for showing files in a wiki, it's probably easiest to go for something like Special:ShowFile/some/path.html [14:26:57] then you just whitelist the path and generate static html [14:27:52] Then the special page could be transcludable. That functionality could actually be part of HTMLets. [14:29:59] DanielK_WMDE: aye ok [14:30:01] i also found https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FileTree [14:30:03] and a few others [14:30:06] but they are also very old [14:30:14] haven't been able to get it to work in latest mw (vagrant) yet [17:47:09] Heya everyone. [17:47:36] Welcome to the IRC channel for the Wikimedia monthly activity meeting for August 2018. [17:48:38] I'll be the IRC liaison for the meeting. [17:48:52] We'll be getting started in a few minutes' time. [17:49:18] As always, if you have questions, comments, or thoughts, please shout them out in here as we go. [17:49:45] There'll be questions at the end, where I'll try to get your questions answered, if they've not been responded to in here already. [17:58:35] James_F, I have a question about WMF policy on PD-Art [17:59:34] yannf: OK. Do you mean you have a question for legal advice? [18:00:05] I don't know if this is legal advice [18:00:17] hi [18:00:25] WMF doesn't have policies about templates, so… [18:00:36] it is more if the policy can be extended [18:00:44] yannf: You probably want to ask a question of the Legal department, then. [18:01:17] I did, but... [18:01:31] (Now started. If you have a/v issues please shout so that brendan_campbell can trouble-shoot.) [18:01:51] I am taling about https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-Art [18:02:11] The official position taken by the Wikimedia Foundation is that "faithful reproductions of two-dimensional public domain works of art are public domain". [18:02:12] OK, but we have a meeting right now. [18:02:21] ok, later then [18:02:54] A workshop for creating SVGs for Commons! I like it [18:03:38] allo allo [18:04:02] yolo [18:17:12] I have a question about the personas. Is there someone who can relay that during Q&A? [18:17:40] James_F? [18:17:57] Yes, still me. [18:18:20] Great. Question follows. It'll take me a few moments to figure out how to word this. [18:21:17] Actually, I have 2 questions. #1 I would like to understand more about the context and goals for this personas work. Was the goal to improve the user experience and/or deepen engagement for users with mobile devices? #2 Could you describe what types of users you were seeking for interviews, why you chose those types of users, and how you used the information from the interviews to design the personas? [18:21:32] Sure. [18:22:51] joshua mentioned something that is "on wiki". IS that on meta? Somewhere else? [18:23:41] Pine: I think most of your questions are answered by the project page (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_Personas) but I can ask them at the end too? [18:23:51] delphine: There is a link coming up towards the end of this presentation - but link: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Product_Principles [18:23:59] Yeah, what varnent said. [18:26:16] James_F, thanks, I think that there's some overlap between my questions and that page but I think that a 2 minute answer from Daisy would still be instructive. [18:26:26] Sure. [18:27:43] thank you varnent [18:32:04] Josh this was fascinating [18:32:10] +1 [18:32:39] Agreed. Great points about access. [18:33:03] Pine, oh, did I miss your café? :( [18:33:38] Any questions/comments for Josh? [18:33:44] Foks, yes, the café was today. But there will be another next month. [18:33:46] Or for Greg, of course. :-) [18:33:47] cooli [18:33:48] o [18:39:27] for what it's worth, the camera output looks super crisp and hi-quality. [18:39:49] so kudos for that! [18:39:54] foks: The lens is bigger than my head, which helps. :-) [18:40:25] The mesh blinds as a background gives the great illusion of DOF. [18:40:26] ;) [18:40:26] yeah the camera being used now is pretty awesome [18:42:45] James_F, thanks. If there is more time available at the end, I have a follow up question, but I'll let everyone else who has questions go first. [18:43:10] Pine: You have ~10 seconds to write the question. [18:43:40] What is the process of going from the interviews to personas? [18:44:58] Pine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona_(user_experience) has a reasonable overview. [18:45:54] OK, thanks. I'm starting to think that I should take a class on design research. [18:46:44] [Tilman] [18:47:47] Pine: Design research, and particularly ethnographic research, is fascinating, yes. [18:49:48] James_F, I'm also thinking that a design research office hour might be interesting an informative, if people are willing to do that. [18:50:00] *and [18:50:06] Interesting idea. I'll pass it along. [18:50:49] WikiLove, anyone? [18:51:08] [Zach] [18:51:26] *Zack [18:51:29] the wikilove slide needs more unicorns :] [18:51:39] Bah, sorry Zack. [18:51:45] [Toby] [18:51:47] I can add some - we added the goats earlier this year :) [18:51:48] I second unicorns [18:52:37] there's some sort of flying horse thing toward the bottom of the slide [18:52:42] doesn't look like a unicorn though [18:52:50] It's a pegasus [18:53:01] Toby refers to this: https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/30/17799512/mapbox-anti-semitic-vandalism-snapchat-weather-channel [18:53:11] Yup. [18:53:25] Is that a platypus in the upper left star? [18:53:29] The Buzzfeed article actually has a screenshot of the Phabricator ticket. [18:53:50] https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/snapchats-snap-map-is-currently-showing-jewtropolis-instead [18:54:00] Thanks everyone! [18:54:19] Ugh @ the vandalism. Kudos to the team for fixing quickly! [18:54:52] brendan_campbell, just a note - the YT stream cut Elena off at the end there [18:55:10] (probably by like 30 seconds but still) [19:05:04] Well done, Maps folks! Yet another data point indicating that we really should take on Maps as a core Wikimedia concerns, rather than let the underinvestment in open map infrastucture continue along its current trajectory. [19:05:14] Make OSM a Wikimedia project!!!! [19:09:50] like, it's good that we were able to avoid serving vandalism to our own readers, but a lot of other people who rely on OSM weren't. [19:10:22] We did serve it [19:10:56] Ah, just briefly I guess? [19:11:41] I thought Toby said in the thanks that it didn't make it through for readers, but I guess I inferred to much from his wording. [19:12:01] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T201772 [19:14:05] thanks much [19:24:40] thanks foks