[17:54:09] Hey everyone, our facilitator this week is going to be James Hare (harej), not Sam Lien. Last minute change of plans. [17:54:22] Anyway. [17:54:38] Welcome, all. We're going to get started in a few minutes. [17:54:55] Our agenda this month is at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_monthly_activities_meetings/2019-05 [17:55:26] As you can see, there's a range of topics we're going to cover. [17:55:32] Good morning. The link that was sent in the email announcement appears to be for the March meeting. Can someone send a corrected link to the email lists? [17:55:53] I'll be the IRC facilitator. [17:56:18] Pine: Link to what? The video stream is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzSfyWUIjUY (in the /topic) [17:57:20] Thanks. The link that was sent to the email lists is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxCFzA3PEaQ. [17:57:30] Ah, sorry about that. [18:00:29] OK, we're going to be starting in a little bit. [18:02:21] Going live now. If you have any A/V issues, please shout. [18:03:49] * apergos claps [18:04:48] * lucaswerkmeister joins the round of applause [18:06:40] structured data on commons...it's happening! [18:06:47] yaay [18:07:05] Great effort by the cross-organisation team. [18:08:04] heh, two of the depicteds have the Wikidata logo and two do not [18:08:17] Oops. :-) [18:08:22] lucaswerkmeister: File a task? [18:08:24] I need to get around to file that task :D (noticed it yesterday) [18:08:29] Snap. [18:08:50] ooh, UploadWizard for campaigns sounds snazzy [18:09:52] Yay, museums! [18:10:16] lucaswerkmeister: yeah. that can use a lot of love and have improvements. :) [18:11:28] Anyone have any questions for Sandra or Florence? Shout them out now. [18:11:33] is ISA kind of like Magnus’ Wikidata Game but for Commons? [18:11:37] I'm reading! [18:11:41] Yes indeed [18:11:44] (I think there’s some stream delay, on my end Florence isn’t nearly done yet) [18:11:57] She's not, but early questions get early answers. :-) [18:11:58] (unless you asked for questions in advance ^^) [18:12:03] ah ok :D [18:12:06] Like the WD game but you can narrow to just the contrib campaign you want [18:12:13] sounds great [18:12:16] +1 [18:14:17] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:ISA_Tool [18:18:57] Thank you Spinster and Anthere! [18:19:01] * leila claps for Anthere [18:19:03] Now onto Mike. [18:19:05] 👏 [18:19:24] 🙃 [18:20:07] Mike is a hero. His infoboxes have brought so many good things to Commons - better navigation, more thorough integration with Wikidata [18:20:18] Absolutely. [18:22:01] I have some Wikilove to express at the end [18:22:09] Spinster: Good! [18:23:00] is there a page documenting the current sitelink/P373 best practices? [18:23:50] Let's ask Mike what he thinks the best current documentation is [18:25:36] Yeah, have added it as a question to ask at the end. [18:25:57] I have a questions about wikidata integration on Commons [18:26:52] I've been trying to create gadgets for Commons categories that pull info from Wikidata, but have run into one bug problem... [18:26:58] big problem... [18:28:07] kaldari: Yes? :-) [18:28:57] The Wikidata ID is only accessible via JavaScript if the category is set as the Commons sitelink for the Wikidata item, but often a Gallery page is set as the sitelink instead and since Wikidata only supports 1 sitelink per project, they can't both be linked as sitelinks. So many categories don't have the Wikidata ID available via JavaScript. [18:29:27] Is there any plan to address this or a workaround? [18:29:40] Sorry if that's super technical [18:29:42] Yes - in my understanding there's not really a strict best practice on the gallery vs category sitelink thing [18:29:54] well, load the data of that item and get its category’s main topic (P301), I assume [18:30:03] that’s what the Wikidata Infobox template does, isn’t it? [18:30:09] perhaps ask Mike Peel about that too [18:30:16] Will do. [18:30:18] I'd point the question to Mike at the end of the meeting - he has seen this practice most extensively [18:30:20] (Hey mpeel.) [18:30:36] Hey, sorry I forgot to sign in here earlier! [18:30:47] mpeel: Two questions – lucaswerkmeister asks if there's documentation of best practice on sitelink vs. P373. [18:30:52] Can you do that purely in JS or do you need to use Lua? [18:31:10] mpeel: … and kaldari asks similarly about "gallery" pages vs. category sitelinks. [18:31:16] (which isn't available to Gadgets). [18:31:18] (I can ask this aloud later if you want.) [18:32:02] Florence via the hangout meet chat log says "To answer Lukas, ISA is a bit like the WD games, same type of general concept of microcontributions. But we really wish for it 1) to be a tool that local project leads use to set up small specific campaigns over short time. So lead will be able to select on which set of categories of images his campaign will run and 2) extended stats info related to contribution, [18:32:02] publicly accessible to all, to highlight contributors work" [18:32:15] Thanks brendan_campbell and Anthere! [18:32:31] lucaswerkmeister: It’s still evolving, so I don’t know if there’s a good page for P373 vs sitelinks right now. Personally I’m hoping that P373 will be deprecated at some point - at the moment the solution is to add both, but that data duplication is bad. There are bots (mostly mine, pi bot, but also deltabot) that sync between the two. [18:32:57] thanks! (×2) [18:33:17] Is there a plan to support both category and gallery pages as sitelinks on Wikidata, or (better) getting rid of the gallery pages on Commons? [18:33:24] kaldari: in those cases you can create a category item on Wikidata and link it to the topic item via P910/P301. [18:33:39] That's not really a solution [18:34:30] I mean I guess it is, but I'm not going to implement such a complicated solution (that involves multiple round-trips) [18:34:38] James_F: not from the same item, you need two separate items. SOme people seem to like galleries so it’s not easy to get rid of them. [18:35:06] mpeel: Some people like burning coal but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to support it. ;-) [18:35:25] an example of the setup is https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5814115 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q63973823 (that has a brand-new gallery that someone created earlier this month…) [18:36:41] you could put the gallery content on the category page… 🤷 [18:36:55] * James_F grins. [18:36:56] it's unfortunate that we have two different systems [18:38:05] I’ve tried to resolve it in the past, but haven’t got very far, so I’m working around the problem… The infobox follows through the P910/P301 link if present (kaldari, that approach might also work for you). [18:38:33] If you can think of ways to properly fix it, or want to do an RfC to get community consensus for a change, please go for it - historically I don’t have much luck doing those myself. ;-) [18:38:48] Any more questions? [18:39:14] Already tried that with the Bonny and Clyde problem :P [18:40:00] mpeel: Thanks for the honest answer [18:41:22] I'll see what I can do with the workaround idea, but it sounds painful. [18:41:27] Wikilove requests I can say for you? [18:41:48] 🥰 [18:42:04] (You've got ~60 seconds to say 'oi' in here. You can type the rest of it later.) [18:42:12] kaldari: there’s a template and lua code to do the workaround if it helps, at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:GetQID [18:42:19] everyone at the Wikimedia Hackathon! it was wonderful! [18:42:30] lucaswerkmeister: Totally. Will voice that! [18:43:03] thanks [18:47:53] Thanks, all! [18:48:14] Thank you to all the facilitators! [18:48:19] Thanks everyone! [18:48:30] thanks everyone! [18:49:07] I need to remember to attend these meetings in the future, this was lovely!