[16:51:47] <srrodlund>	 Hey all, just a reminder liw will be giving a tech talk at 5PM UTC. We'll take questions at the end on the livestream and on #wikimedia-office: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7kM2ZWZIKc
[16:55:32] <srrodlund>	 Hi all the link has changed for this it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmEmzTUJM2c
[17:35:36] <greg-g>	 Thank you, Lars :)
[17:36:49] <dwisehaupt>	 thanks lars!
[17:36:55] <marxarelli>	 lars, thanks!
[17:36:59] <marxarelli>	 i have a question
[17:37:00] <Majavah>	 thank you!
[17:37:23] <marxarelli>	 do you have opinions on why pgp hasn't been adopted as a default in modern email systems?
[17:37:52] <James_F>	 marxarelli: I think we on the YouTube stream were too far behind reality, sorry.
[17:37:53] <srrodlund>	 marxarelli: we JUST finished the stream
[17:38:00] <marxarelli>	 oh whoops :)
[17:38:03] <marxarelli>	 no worries then
[17:38:04] <brennen>	 ah, alas.
[17:38:09] <liw>	 marxarelli, I can answer here
[17:38:11] <srrodlund>	 Let's see if liw can answer here?
[17:38:23] <srrodlund>	 Thx!!!
[17:38:24] <marxarelli>	 cool!
[17:38:25] <brennen>	 popcorn.gif
[17:38:55] <liw>	 marxarelli, I see two options: a) technical difficulties and complexity and b) reluctance by big email software and service vendors to support privacy
[17:39:22] <Majavah>	 srrodlund: can you update the old youtube stream description to include a link to the new one so if someone finds the old link somewhere they will find the actual talk
[17:39:51] <srrodlund>	 Yes. I will do that!
[17:40:28] <liw>	 marxarelli, with more words: email is complex and moving and keeping up with simple stuff is already a challenge, and crypto is another big complex pile on top of that, making it harder to get things to work well
[17:41:27] <liw>	 marxarelli, does that answer?
[17:41:32] <marxarelli>	 liw: do you think the technical difficulties have more to do with user friendliness of tooling or ensuring circles of trust and verifiability, or... other?
[17:42:01] <liw>	 marxarelli, everyth
[17:42:16] <liw>	 marxarelli, everything, I think, but user experience perhaps most
[17:42:53] <marxarelli>	 cool. yeah, seems like a barrier. it was for me at least
[17:42:58] <marxarelli>	 thanks!
[17:43:05] <thcipriani>	 nice talk! Are there other free software alternatives to gnupg that implement openpgp?
[17:43:36] <liw>	 thcipriani, there's libraries for various programming languages, and SequoiaPGP in Rust, at least
[17:44:33] <thcipriani>	 interesting, I'll have to check that out, thanks! :)