[01:07:15] Has anyone played with the Wikibase API before? [01:09:11] I have a page on a wiki that's configured as a Wikibase client, and I want to get a list of pages of its Wikidata-powered interlanguage and interwiki links. Is it possible to get those links from the client's API? If not, is there any way for the Wikibase client to know its item ID on the Wikibase server, so that we can then query the server itself to get those links? [01:18:18] Found it: "wikibase_item" is part of query / pageprops on the client. [14:55:54] Greetings. [16:34:15] Ironholds: are you joining us? [16:34:34] guillom, oh, sure! [16:34:43] (read that in a halfaky "I forgot and am now pleasantly surprised" voice) [16:34:50] I'm just gonna go for a smoke first and then I will be in [16:47:52] Nope. [16:47:52] We game up [16:47:52] No meeting today. [16:47:52] The SCIENCE has been canceled [16:47:52] awww [16:47:52] Science is never canceled. However, today it is postponed to pursue my other job, Product. [16:47:52] but I had python to show off! [16:47:52] Agenda! [16:47:52] Get 'er in there for next time. [16:47:54] eh, I always feel like I'm boring everyone [16:47:54] Boo. Stop feeling that way. [16:47:54] Get on the agenda. Show us your stuffs. [16:50:13] * Nettrom +1s what halfak said [16:51:19] * harej waves Nettrom [16:51:30] okie! [16:51:42] I just..yeah. Something something not a real researcher any more. [17:48:17] Most unfortunate last name for a researcher: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=M8Ep8y0AAAAJ&hl=en&oi=sra [17:48:45] it's pronounced for-jay! [17:49:11] Doesn't matter. I read it as "Forget et al." [17:49:13] Okay [17:56:22] You know [17:56:35] if he was in the millitary he would have his last name on his shirt [18:00:01] I cannot imagine him as a flag officer [18:00:10] Admiral Forget [18:13:33] oh, imagine him as SWAT, with his last name written on his back in big letters [18:18:48] One of our longest-term Wikimedians (yannf, now known as User:Yann) has that same last name. [18:19:12] s/term/time [18:19:32] Yann was the first Commons user [18:20:50] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Yann&action=info << dat page ID [18:32:23] ! [18:33:57] no [18:34:05] he probably had the first userpage [18:34:17] I bet we had a test user before him :p [18:37:45] Or simply longtimers had page deleted [18:37:56] But yes, Yann is among the best :) [18:39:04] What's longer time than page ID #2? [18:39:15] (page ID #1 is the main page) [21:37:44] lzia: around? i got an email from the article coverage, and there are some things i'd like to discuss [22:50:14] Alchimista: now I am. :-) [22:52:35] lzia: i got an email in french from Wikimedia Research [22:52:54] lzia: :D I got an email with sugestions for articules under the Increasing article coverage, seems to me that the algoritm to find user candidates should take in consideration the kind of action the user has made. for example, i've only reverted wrong edits [22:52:59] is that related to you or someone else in this channel? [22:53:18] matanya: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage#Methodology [22:54:06] what does that have to do with me or with my no-exsiting french ? [22:55:30] the language is somethin to consider too, peraps L10n the messages? [22:56:12] matanya: you either have edited both en and fr or you have it in your babel template that you speak both of them. [22:56:32] lzia: i am a steward, i edit most of the wikis [22:56:36] I cannot dig more until the test is over since by doing so I may impact the result of the test in a way that I may not fully understand. [22:57:03] that is a very bad way to figure out what languages i speak :) [22:57:36] I understand, matanya. do you think it's a reasonable thing not to consider stewards for future recommendations because of what you just explained? [22:57:57] it depends [22:58:25] most "global" users do such work, e.g global sysops, global rollabacker [22:58:32] 6:52 PM lzia: i got an email in french from Wikimedia Research << moi aussi [22:58:52] I thought it had to do with my one-off comment about wanting to use Content Translation to translate from French to English, but others seem to have gotten the email as well. [22:59:39] But what I am *very* curious about is that your email said you have found a way to identify important articles. [22:59:44] lzia: if reverts are filtered, for example, stews, global sysops, and counter-vandalism groups would be excluded, that would reduce the sample noise [22:59:47] Alchimista: let me understand this better. Is the issue about identifying you by mistake as a potential French contributor? [22:59:49] I am interested in knowing how you've done so. [23:00:02] lzia: don't get me wrong, i love to help where ever i can, but french is not one of those places, i just don't speak that language [23:00:02] because you won't receive an email if you have not contributed to frwiki at all, Alchimista. [23:00:58] harej, have you looked at this page? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage [23:01:09] lzia: it's the concept, i've edited fr, but to make some reverts, it's the same case of matanya, the message didn't upset me, but i'm noise in the middle of your sample [23:01:09] we can chat more whenever you want harej. [23:01:27] I've read Nettrom's on assessing importance [23:01:36] I... hope to improve on the state of that art [23:01:54] This, though, will be quite importance for WikiProject X2 [23:03:10] matanya: I understand, and thank you for that. :-) I'd like to turn your comment into an actionable item for us. So, I hear that stewards tend to edit across languages and that should not be considered a sign that they know those languages. That's fair. In general, in the future, the way this should work is like this: you go somewhere (for example CX tool) and say I know language xx and I want to translate to language yy, and then the algor [23:04:02] Alchimista: I understand, and thank you for being open to talk about it and sharing your feedback. This is very valuable. Would my answer to matanya above help (for future use of such algorithms?) [23:04:41] lzia: in this case though, it is a bit unique, as i added a video to the article, not reverted [23:05:09] so, i still don't speak the langauge but adding images/video doesn't requeir that [23:05:35] if that helps claryifing the case [23:05:44] I understand, matanya, so perhaps some lower bound on the number of edits or total bytes added could help with the test. again, for the long term of usage of the algorithm in a tool, this won't be a problem, or at least I'm making a note of it. :-) [23:06:06] yes, and that's good too, matanya. [23:06:49] yes, those two safe guardes will probably help: mininal threshold and excluding reverts [23:07:33] thanks for that comment. [23:07:37] or, i can learn french! :) [23:07:43] :-) [23:07:58] lzia: with an explicit information from the user would be easyer, and for the rest, the algoritm could be improved :D [23:08:19] :-) sure Alchimista. [23:08:36] lzia: anyhow I come to serve, if you need/want anything please do poke me [23:08:40] I'm signing off from here for 2.5 hours, will be back again then. :-) Thank you all for the sudden burst of feedback. [23:08:51] thank you matanya. greatly appreciated. :-) [23:09:11] lzia: where all here to help :d i'l like to keep in touch too, it's quite interesting [23:09:35] thank you Alchimista. no, seriously! it's appreciated. :D [23:09:45] matanya: the next phase of the algoritm should be to teach users new languages :P [23:09:58] ciao ciao. see you in few hours [23:10:06] that would be awsome Alchimista [23:10:32] harej: what's WikiProject X2? [23:10:38] en project? [23:10:42] WikiProject X, part 2. [23:11:00] WikiProject X right now is focused on improving WikiProjects on English Wikipedia, but the plan is to go beyond that. [23:11:53] will it go to the moon? :O [23:12:55] harej: i'm checking the page, quite interesting too [23:14:23] harej: have you seen my answer on meta? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech_project_ideas#WikiProject_auto-invites [23:15:00] Thanks for linking! [23:15:50] oops, local page is in portuguese :s [23:17:05] the bot does something like the one we where talking here, but for newbies [23:59:51] Would MediaWiki: namespace edits be considered for determining whether you are active in a wiki for these emails?