[00:18:59] J-Mo: if you try again it should work [00:19:13] excellent! thanks YuviPanda. Trying now... [00:23:06] YuviPanda: I'm in! Thanks [00:23:27] J-Mo: cool [00:35:30] J-Mo: do you have a link to the copyright release form for CSCW? [00:35:48] leila: I might work from UCB tomorrow! :D [00:36:04] :D [00:36:09] why is that, YuviPanda? [00:36:12] I'm meeting the jupyter people there [00:36:21] they offered to let me work from there too if I want to [00:36:42] aa! that's nice. [00:36:47] have you been there? [00:36:55] YuviPanda, ^ [00:37:08] leila: nope [00:37:10] first time! [00:37:21] I've never actually been in / near an american university ever [00:37:21] hey leila, just seeing your (earlier) question now. You still need answers? [00:37:22] nice! I really like UCB [00:37:39] pleasssse, J-Mo! ;-) [00:38:41] okay! answer to your SECOND question is "yes, we put a link to a study page in the recruitment message" (usually a Meta:Research project page) [00:39:16] answer to your first question… YES, but I have to look. are you just looking for some legal-ish boilerplate text that explains how we use the respondent's data? [00:41:47] the two questions are unrelated. the CSCW related question is for me to understand how off (or not off) the WWW copyright release form is from few other conferences. I'm assuming thee conferences are all pretty much the same, but I'd like to verify it. [00:43:10] the question about survey message, J-Mo, is not legal related. We are considering to put a more informative message in the survey for readers, and I want to look at couple of samples before finalizing that decision. [00:43:26] I don't think I saw that question, Leila…. both the ones I saw were about surveys? [00:43:41] I have some samples from the medical research I use to do that I can use, but if you have used something more relevant in the past, it would be great if you share, J-Mo. [00:43:54] ah!, let me paste again, J-Mo. [00:44:03] (04:35:30 PM) leila: J-Mo: do you have a link to the copyright release form for CSCW? [00:44:17] ah, THAT question. hold on… [00:45:20] :D [00:50:27] just sent a sample. The only one I could find was for CHI, not CSCW, but should be the same. [00:50:51] thanks, J-Mo. reading it now. [00:51:21] hmm, and now that I look at it it was for a supplamental publication, not an archived paper. Where did those go? Looking again... [00:52:35] is this for a paper, J-Mo? [00:52:45] oh! just saw your comment. sorry [00:54:37] J-Mo: unrelated, but quarry is getting a db selector *and* multi-db querying [00:55:27] and not from me (but from Krenair :D) [00:56:41] leila: JUST found one. sent it [00:56:51] perfect. thanks, J-Mo. [00:57:14] not sure why I was able to find so many forms for non-archival stuff, but only 1 for my full papers. I would have THOUGHT I'd save those :/ [00:58:21] YuviPanda: awesome :) re: halfak's question to us (via email) about getting Quarry ready for the workshop—what do you need form me? [00:58:38] I think I ultimately don't know what needs to happen [00:58:43] or rather, what additional things need to happen [00:58:49] I already have data loading figured out [00:58:57] but other than that I don't know [00:59:56] okay, J-Mo. This helps. [01:00:04] let's follow up with halfak when he's online again, YuviPanda [01:00:11] so basically, I'm not sure if under the OA policy we can sign this kind of forms. [01:00:15] J-Mo: ok [01:00:21] J-Mo: he did send me two emails about it I haven't fully read :) [01:00:23] We are trying to figure it out for the WWW publication, J-Mo [01:00:25] so that's probably next order of business [01:00:31] I'll try to do it today or tomorrow [01:00:55] it's crazy. Even for the preprint, they say no commercial use, which means you can't put a free license label on the preprint. [01:01:13] I'll send an email to research-internal as we learn more, J-Mo. [01:01:15] leila: I just sent you some legalese from the last survey I ran. It appears at the beginning of the survey. It is adapted from some text that Michelle drafted a few years ago. [01:01:31] thanks, J-Mo! [01:01:49] does our OA policy specify free license? Does it need to be Gold OA? [01:02:34] isn't "Green" OA enough? ACM allows self-archiving [01:02:40] it doesn't need to be gold, J-Mo [01:02:55] but it cannot be restricted by no-commercial-use tag [01:03:13] yeah, but you cannot label the self-archived items under free license. [01:03:13] um. well. dang? [01:03:35] :D [01:04:18] I'll share our learnings. We may have to pay the fee to make it open access, which is ridiculous if you think about it. [01:04:44] or get an exemption from the OA policy, which is also not cool, since most of our work should hopefully be peer-reviewed in these conferences. [01:05:43] and that means getting an exception each time we want to publish. ;-) [16:29:37] Hi halfak! Can you comment on the priority of the data loading scripts (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120983) vs the work on article recommendations? [16:30:21] Hi schana. Not really. It's hard to make that distinction. The projects aren't really measureable on a common dimension. [16:30:35] FWIW, this is meant to be an introductory task. [16:32:25] schana, priority is a weird thing in research work. The data loading for altiscale will potentially be substantially direction setting for the organization/movement. [16:32:34] (based on the work we do with that data) [16:32:55] We don't have a PM role who can prioritize between research projects like this. [16:33:40] leila, ^ see conversation above with schana about how we prioritize work on different research projects. [16:33:51] E.g. is measuring value-added higher or lower priority than article recommendations? [16:34:09] I don't think that is a question we are equipped to answer. [16:34:40] hi halfak. I'm in the middle of testing the surveys that are about to go out. I say quickly that Dario does the high level prioritization for schana. [16:34:55] I see. Could I block off maybe a half hour of your time to walk me through altiscale, halfak? [16:38:25] schana, yes. But I'm OoO for until our offsite. [16:38:33] I'm at workshop now :) [16:38:48] Have you received the email about setting up your account with altiscale? [16:39:00] I might have forgotten to provision you an account. [16:39:06] I don't think so [16:39:26] Search turns up nothing for 'altiscale' [16:39:45] Other than Maniphest [16:43:05] OK. I'll try again quick. [16:45:59] Hey folks; I can't find the page about the Departed Editors study. Can anyone give me a hand? [16:48:45] schana, {{done}} [16:48:48] You should have an email. [16:48:52] got it. thanks halfak [16:49:10] If you could follow the instructions and do the public key dance, then next time we sit down, I can give you a quick tour. [16:49:31] Also joal would be good to reach out to. He's been working withme on data engineering work for the altiscale cluster. [16:49:53] * halfak runs back to workshop [17:34:31] guillom, sorry I missed the question. Could that have been a Growth Experiment? [17:35:00] halfak: Yes, I think Steven and Maryana were involved; but my memory is fuzzy. [17:35:02] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Necromancy [17:35:12] I suppose it was E3 at the time [17:35:31] Yes, that's exactly what I was looking for [17:35:37] Thank you halfak! [17:36:05] Wait, no [17:36:09] Sorry, spoke too soon [17:36:17] This is about encouraging people to come back [17:36:34] What I'm looking for is the survey about why people have left [17:36:49] Oh! Sorry no help then :/ [17:36:51] I thought it was called "departed editors survey" or study but I can't find it [17:37:04] No worries, I'll find it eventually :) [17:37:30] * guillom sprints to finish his essay for the strategy page. [17:54:45] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-boston/2016-January/000568.html all sorts of weirdos coming to visit! [19:51:57] Amir1: can I ask you for a favor? :D [19:52:09] can you translate "Visit survey" in https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate/ext-quicksurveys?filter=&action=translate&language=fa ? [19:52:28] it somehow doesn't let me create an account, and I need that one term to be translated for a survey we're running in fawiki [20:00:09] Hey schana, just saw my name appearing above :) [20:01:17] Hi joal [20:03:37] Depending on your priorities, I can possibly help with the altiscale stuff :) [20:03:51] Let me know if you want to spend some time on that [20:03:55] schana: --^ [23:02:52] halfak: heh, there's someone here with a sticker that says 'I am more than my h-index' :) [23:02:58] also stuart geiger is here apparently [23:03:06] Where is "here"? [23:03:38] YuviPanda, ^ [23:03:41] halfak: BIDS (berkeley institute for data science) [23:03:56] I've managed to sneak into it and get offered to sneak in in the future too [23:04:18] Oh yeah. Geiger is one of the local ethnographers. [23:04:23] :) [23:04:33] :D