[18:34:07] Looks like WikiProjects are consistently not using the “Top-importance” label as much as they should: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Automated_classification_of_article_importance/Work_log/2017-06-29#WikiProjects [18:34:46] also, our models are often ridiculously good at predicting Top-importance… [18:38:45] reminds me of how halfak’s quality prediction datasets predicted more high-quality articles [19:03:27] Nettrom: I've found wiki projects aren't really consistently using the importance metric in general [19:04:58] But hey, you figured it out [19:09:04] Nettrom: out of curiosity, is your system modeled after real uses, or is it more "we have decided that this is what importance means"? I'm interested in the latter because I personally want to get out of the assessments business and my idea of importance is a lot less clear than a computer's [19:10:15] harej: it’s modelled after real uses, but the WikiProjects we’ve chosen are all ones that are focused on readership in how they define or talk about importance [19:10:48] we use views, inlinks, and variations around those as features in the model [19:12:05] You’re absolutely right that importance metrics are inconsistent, and that’s partly because their definitions are different as well. I found several variants when I was looking for some projects to work with. [19:30:00] Let's cram a bunch of concepts together and call it "importance" [19:30:24] E.g. "Where should we be focusing our time?" [19:30:44] Which sounds like importance, but if biographies are important to other WikiProjects, WPMED can ignore them. [19:38:35] o/ lzia [19:38:47] I was just looking at the QR deck and I don't see your updates in there [19:38:55] I'm starting to worry that we're working on different decks. [19:48:12] hi halfak. :) thanks for the ping. I actually checked it today and I noticed the deadline is July 3, so I figured I should prioritize a few other items today. Do you want me to get in there today? :) [19:49:05] lzia, July 3rd is the deadline for us to have it all done. Dario gave us a deadline of yesterday to have draft stuff in there so he could work with it. [19:49:28] ok, I'm not meeting the second deadline for sure, halfak. :D [19:49:38] But if Dario hasn't noticed yet, you're safe ;) [19:49:46] I'll try to set aside some time today in the afternoon to work on it. thanks. :) [19:50:10] yeah, halfak. It's so good he doesn't come here often these days. ;p [19:50:15] hahah ;) [19:53:53] halfak: that’s a useful observation, that WPMED can afford to ignore all the biographies because they’re covered by other WikiProjects… kind of a “social loafing” approach to it [19:54:31] +1 [19:54:39] other WikiProjects do the exact opposite -- they want to have their banner everywhere [19:54:46] wikiproject biography i think is an extreme example of this [19:54:55] I view WikiProject Biography less as a project and more of a gigantic federation [19:56:43] harej: WPMED puts their banner on the relevant biographies, but they’re all Low-importance. Sounds like biographies are similar to WikiProject Africa, they’ve got banners on pages relevant to specific African countries, and the template allows for tagging both projects (e.g. WP:Africa and WP:Nigeria) [19:57:56] so WP:Africa is very much a federation, and WP:Europe isn’t. WP:Europe is rather quiet nowadays, I never got a response to my question asking why they didn’t organize it like WP:Africa.