[16:17:45] hey halfak. question: do we have a table somewhere with article title/id and quality measure? (for enwiki) [16:19:55] o/ leila [16:20:04] yeah it's a little old. Let me get you an example query [16:21:01] thanks halfak [16:21:22] (I thought you may have a dataset sitting somewhere, given that this can be the training dataset for ORES:) [16:21:31] https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/20169 [16:21:55] Oh! If you want a training set, there's something for that too. Sec. [16:22:17] halfak: what does page_id=12 do? [16:22:24] https://figshare.com/articles/English_Wikipedia_Quality_Asssessment_Dataset/1375406/1 [16:22:36] leila, limits the results to [[:en:Anarchism]] [16:22:40] :) [16:23:04] "Anarchism" at ID 12 is the first article to appear in the XML dumps. Seems fitting. [16:23:07] ow ow. so it gives you the quality of that specific article over time. [16:23:14] Right :) [16:23:49] Described a bit more here: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/10/27/wikipedia-quality-trends-dataset/ [16:24:10] And here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Demonstrating_the_Keilana_Effect_(OpenSym%2717).pdf [16:24:15] got it. we probably will need the last timestamp for every article, but that's cool, thanks. [16:24:22] The latter includes a description of what "weighted_sum" means [16:24:35] leila, I'm overdue to run an update. I'll get that started. [16:27:25] great, halfak. the figshare one should work [16:27:33] \o/ Godspeed [16:27:52] BTW, nettrom is working on doing some cleanup of that dataset so there'll likely be a new version soon. [16:28:11] great [16:28:31] Because of the weird disconnect between talk pages (where assessments are stored) and articles, we sometimes have page assessments of redirect pages. [16:28:43] yeah, hope to have a new version out in a week or two, there are some improvements to the data gathering process as halfak mentions [16:28:52] ^_^ [16:31:57] J-Mo, saw that you are IRC host for today's showcase. Do you have the rights to change the topic of this channel? [16:32:07] (you should... just want to make sure) [16:32:40] I don't know. what's the command? [16:35:41] ^^halfak [16:38:20] /topic [16:38:26] But you need to become an op first [16:39:07] OK so I'll PM some commands [18:25:52]  /msg ChanServ op irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#wikimedia-research J-Mo [18:26:05] * leila claps for research showcase [18:26:30] woops [18:26:32] :P [18:27:09] yay! [18:27:12] It worked! [18:27:20] thanks halfak :) [18:27:43] 15 people are waiting!! c'mon you all! :D [18:28:12] J-Mo, here's the original topic: Welcome to the Wikimedia Research channel -- a space for discussion of wiki research | https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research | Channel is publicly logged @ https://wm-bot.wmflabs.org/logs/%23wikimedia-research/ [18:28:43] Make sure to keep the "Publicly logged" notice at the end [18:28:48] thanks halfak. got it [18:29:15] o/ hall1467 [18:29:22] break a leg, duder [18:29:32] :D [18:29:33] halfak: Haha thanks! [18:32:17] hi folks! we've begun. I'll be relaying questions from IRC to the presenter during Q&A. so ping me if you want me to ask your question for you. [18:33:08] Nothing on the stream yet [18:33:15] Oh! Just started for me [18:33:23] STarted in the middle of andrew talking [18:33:49] huh. weird. [18:33:50] yeah, same here halfak. I guess we missed a DarTar intro. :) [18:33:56] Bummer [18:33:59] o/ pigsonthewing! [18:34:06] ! [18:34:25] the intro is definitely in the recording...weird that you didn't see it. [18:35:12] brendan_campbell, yeah, i see it when I seek back to the beginning of the stream. Must have been a youtube glitch [18:36:32] * halfak sees pigsonthewing and starts wondering about orcids. Looks like Andrew (The speaker) doesn't have one. [18:38:14] * J-Mo sees halfak troll pigsonthewing [18:38:35] Not trolling :P [18:38:44] Supporting! :) [18:38:46] spoken like a true troll!!! [18:38:48] ;) [18:38:50] lol [18:40:01] Tsk! [18:40:36] pigsonthewing all I ask is that you let andrew finish his presentation before raking him over the coals ;) [18:46:35] halfak: we should make it a pre-condition for showcase invitations. :D [18:46:48] +1 [18:46:56] Ha! Yeah. +1 [18:46:59] it's just good practuce. [18:47:02] *i [18:47:02] c'mon, you two! [18:47:08] :DDD [18:47:11] ;PPP [18:47:30] I'll put my stable of graduate students on it [18:47:42] You mean it's not already? *shocked* [18:48:14] how about we organize a month long effort, Wiki Loves ORCID? [18:48:22] <3 [18:48:27] WHo gets the prize? [18:48:46] the person who joins last [18:49:08] we just have to talk to Ops about to make sure the servers can take it. ;) [18:50:15] Andrew will be wrapping up soon. any questions for the speaker? [18:50:17] halfak: or we sample randomly for 10 winners across the upload period (we need to tighten it scientifically, uniform close to boundaries may not be best, but we can do something there) [18:50:34] Andrew will be wrapping up soon. any questions for the speaker? [18:51:54] Interesting point about gender - I know some women who are involved in RL OSM events, but it seems to me a more predominately male community than Wikimedia [18:52:00] J-Mo: Q: Can we have our cake and eat it too? Is adaptability of the data model based on new understanding a solution or is the problem more social? [18:52:35] got it [18:52:49] Q is what is being done in OSM to address that? Who leads on it? (c/f our gendergap work) [18:53:29] J-Mo, ^ [18:53:39] got it! [18:54:49] Thank you. [18:55:51] hope my paraphrase was correct, halfak [18:56:01] Sounds good. Still hearing it [18:56:04] +1 [18:56:10] Very good thank you [18:57:31] Side issue: May I give a shoutout, in case anyone isn't aware, of the ability to tag objects in OSM with Wikidata IDs? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata [18:57:49] nice…! [18:59:29] any other questions for Andrew? [18:59:50] I've got one, if no one else does :) [19:04:58] Q: Why do you not have an orcid ID? [19:04:59] jk! [19:05:02] * halfak stops [19:05:08] lol [19:05:30] ITYM "Q: Why do you not have an orcid ID, *yet*?" [19:06:03] Commen on YouTue: "Henry Willson​Shut up Andy! You're a neither a good Wikipedian nor OpenStreetMapper." [19:06:19] In a discusison about hostility... [19:06:45] brendan_campbell: something to consider for the future. It's probably better to stop the chat feature in YouTube. we don't monitor it, and it's getting in an unfriendly place now. [19:06:48] yikes [19:06:59] sorry to hear that, pigsonthewing >_< [19:07:01] the last comment towards Andy is unacceptable. [19:07:32] leila: yeah i agree. unfortunate [19:07:33] imo: all conversations should happen in one place so we can address them as they happen, brendan_campbell. [19:07:44] Bufering? [19:08:00] yeah but I hate forcing people to use IRC leila [19:08:03] (for some reason I can't leave a comment in the chat there. not sure what's going on) [19:08:07] leila: i would push back slightly in that a lot of people arent on IRC [19:08:12] +1 [19:08:22] back now [19:08:27] then we need to have someone in chat to monitor it. J-Mo? [19:08:36] what is happening there is very bad. [19:08:46] I'll see what I can do [19:08:48] if we leave it open, we're responsible to maintain its civility. [19:08:51] thanks, J-Mo [19:09:04] Aaron left a comment for now. [19:09:08] Thanks for your support. That's YouTube for you... [19:09:14] J-Mo: you have a question there, too. :D [19:09:17] leila: i'll look into ways we can kick trolls...it might be possible [19:09:27] thanks, brendan_campbell [19:10:43] very thought-provoking Thank you, all. [19:11:03] sorry, leila. Saw it too late. I don't think we should have a single person monitoring both channels, but I will try to do so if I'm the designated monitor again. [19:11:17] leila: so there is a feature i can enable that only allows approved comments. [19:11:33] ok. let me write something quick for the team to pay attention to it for next time. [19:11:42] i can designate moderators, so maybe the solution is to have a moderator who's only role is to watch youtube live and approve comments [19:11:44] but then we have to approve them on the fly brendan_campbell? [19:12:03] I'd say that's too much work, brendan_campbell. don't you think so? [19:12:15] thanks again Andrew (not sure if you’re still around) [19:12:17] leila: yes, i believe so. we may be able to do something more elegant. i'll see if we can blacklist usernames [19:12:38] ok, I'll start an internal thread about this to make sure everyone is on board. [19:12:50] and sorry about leaving abruptly, it’s funny to have to close a 100% remote showcase [19:13:13] leila, brendan_campbell: I didn’t follow the discussion on YT but happy to learn more about what happened [19:13:48] pigsonthewing: thanks for the additional OSM outreach, appreciated [19:16:20] I've said it often: WM & OSM communites should work together more. Gender gap is a good example where we could share learning. [19:20:27] DarTar: You're welcome :) Thanks for inviting me to talk [19:21:07] thanks, hall1467. :) [19:21:15] hall1467: our pleasure [19:21:37] pigsonthewing: agreed, so many siloes and so little time [19:22:32] So, Andrew, about your ORCID iD... ;-) [19:23:05] leila: You're welcome, I enjoyed talking about my work :) [19:24:23] OK, gotta go. TTFN, & thank you again. [19:25:34] pigsonthewing: I've seen some discussion of the ORCID ID further up. I should perhaps get one it looks like [19:34:38] hall1467, yeah! You should have one [19:34:43] They are easy to get and set up [19:34:48] And are becoming a standard. [19:34:55] Well they are a standard, but they are gaining market share. [19:35:21] Okay, yeah, it looks easy to set up! [19:35:25] I'll have to get one [19:36:02] Let me know when you do and I'll help get it listed in a few places. [19:38:52] Okay, that would be great :) Thanks! [20:21:40] halfak: a couple of questions. [20:21:41] :D [20:21:54] halfak: how strict is the metrics meeting deadline re uploading slides to Commons? [20:22:33] halfak: how strict is the formatting of slides? as in: I want the name of my collaborators there, I can be creative, and I also want to use the bottom 20% of the slides. (where am I going to link to papers?) [20:33:50] signing off from here to finish the slides. /me shivers. ;)