[00:03:54] I didn't realize that was a scolding. I have 2FA on everything... hmm [00:06:37] I have it on all my wiki accounts. Even wikitech! [00:06:42] And github [00:59:40] don't think it's optional on wikitech halAFK [20:33:16] isaacj: have you received onboarding help about Research Newsletter? [20:34:23] leila: no, though i went ahead and wrote up one of the papers in the last version and could plan on doing the same again [20:37:31] isaacj: it just occurred to me that we should be more intentional about it and discuss contributions within the team. I added an item at https://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research/Onboarding as a future onboarding pointer, and I will bring it up for discussion tomorrow in research staff meeting. [20:38:10] HaeB: if you have any input that can inform the above discussion in terms of the reach of the Newsletter or any other item we should take into account to figure out how much time we should set aside for it, please let me know. [20:40:03] leila: happy to join such a meeting [20:40:18] HaeB: also, do you know if the content in Research Newsletter will be reused outside of the Newsletter, or if I can look at http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=last-year&pages=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Next_issue/Recent_research and have a good sense of how much its reach is. [20:40:45] HaeB: initial discussion will be quick and as part of our weekly staff meeting (5-min). If we have more in-depth discussions, I'll let you know. [20:40:56] there was also the idea (brought by halfak iirc) to use some of the research documentation time for it [20:41:34] we did that a few times, but i had normally had conflicting meetings around that time until recently, or it would have happened more often [20:41:58] HaeB: I think time is something we can open up for it. The question is how we should prioritize it on our end. I put in the broad category of community service that we do. For example, we do spend some time (usually evenings and weekends to be fair) to read up papers and write reviews for peer-reviewed publication venues. [20:42:17] the content is published in several channels, on meta, the blog, and per email newsletter [20:42:25] HaeB: the question in my mind is, how should we prioritize the newsletter against that work, or any other kind of work we do (writing a blog post). [20:42:42] HaeB: I'm certain that we can't do everything, so it's important to be intentional here and clear. [20:42:58] HaeB: riiiiight. I forgot those channels. got it. [20:43:05] (and as part of the signpost, as you pointed out) [20:43:52] HaeB: and, have we done any survey of the audience of Research Newsletter recently? [20:44:31] HaeB: For example, I notice that the instructions say that the summary should be written for a non-research audience. do we know how satisfied this audience is? Do we know if we're missing something? [20:46:24] a survey would be a nice idea, but i'm pretty confident in saying it's the most widely read venue of this kind both among community members and outside researchers interested in this particular field [20:46:26] leila: excellent - thanks! happy to help with building out that onboarding page as well [20:46:54] isaacj: yeah. we should do that, too. let's maybe spend the last day of the year before we sign off to do that. [20:47:25] isaacj: at the moment, with all the transfer of knowledge re why we read wikipedia I think it's risky to spend a day on onboarding docs. :) [20:47:32] of the feedback on the signpost side, i would say most of it is positive (appreciating the overview over interesting recent results), with the occasional complaint that some particular review was too academic/technical [20:47:50] always a bit of abalancing act between the two audiences [20:48:03] leila: yeah, that sounds like a solid end-of-year undertaking! [20:48:22] * leila looks up isaacj and dsaez' calendar for the last day they can do this together. [20:48:55] oh and another audience (if you will) is the authors of the reviewed papers - we usually notify them about the fact that their paper has been reviewed, reactions have been very positive (with about one exception, that aaron will recall ;) [20:49:54] TBH we are a bit behind with that right now like with some other things, but hope to catch up soon [20:50:40] HaeB: got you. good to know. [20:51:39] leila: as for missing something, i think it's fair to say that we are not super consistent in providing full reviews of every important paper - quite a few of them end up in the "other publications" section (with just a brief excerpt from the abstract) [20:52:28] isaacj: what do you think about Friday, December 21? I have a remote presentation that ends at 6:00 PT, soooo, we can block maybe 6:00-10:00PT for finishing the documentation for onboarding. [20:54:22] HaeB: yeah. but that's the nature of it. it's volunteer spirited at the moment, which is great, I just have constant guilty conscious about my contributions and I want to understand what should be the expectation of someone like me. cuz if we require it in the team, then I know I should do it, and I like these kind of clear cut stuff. ;) [20:55:30] HaeB: and I feel have to justify myself here. I love volunteer work and I do as much as I can. it's just that I'm now pressed between a couple of big item volunteer projects I'm working on, so there is no time left for more volunteer work, so if my team expects me to contribute there, we need to cut from somewhere and open up time. and I want this to be clear for newcomers to our team as well. [20:55:39] leila: hah, was just going through to update my calendar. i'm flying that evening unfortunately so am going to start early and finish a bit early (~3pm) on the 21st. anyway we could do earlier in that day or perhaps Thursday the 20th? [20:56:18] isaacj: I meant 6am PT ;) [20:57:01] oooooooff.....then yes but can i set up delivery of coffee for you? [20:57:14] isaacj: at 5am, please. ;) [20:58:33] :thumbs up: [20:58:52] isaacj: just fyi, I am giving, for the second time, this talk at EPFL's ADA class (https://dlab.epfl.ch/teaching/fall2017/cs401/ ) about Life as a Research Scientist: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Life_as_a_Research_Scientist.pdf [20:59:09] isaacj: I did it last year, and it seems it went well enough for me to give it again. ;) [20:59:40] isaacj: these remote talks to classes are complicated, and apparently part of the charm and what students liked was just that, that I was remote, and I had the challenge of connecting with them at scale. :D [21:00:12] very meta giving a talk on "Life as a Research Scientist" at 5am local time [21:00:21] lol [21:01:03] isaacj: ok. so I schedule the onboarding documentation meeting for then then. \o/ [21:09:08] * leila is energized