[16:42:52] * lzia waves to the channel as she gets ready for the roller-coaster of this week. [16:47:29] o/ [17:07:06] bmansurov: o/ [17:07:51] bmansurov: I'm catching up with the eliciting new editor interest model thread. I'll write back here when I'm caught up. I /think/ the plan can be: I notify enwiki VP today, and we run it tomorrow, but let me confirm this in 15 min. [17:08:05] lzia: ok [17:08:22] Pchelolo: o/ I don't think we need to rush and deploy today. [17:08:44] Pchelolo: it would be nice to get the patches reviewed and merged though ;) [17:09:03] good morning bmansurov [17:09:40] give me a little time, I will review the rest of the patches [17:09:46] Pchelolo: ok, thanks [17:38:53] lzia: about normalized ranks, so I need to rank articles by page view (in ascending order) and divide ranks by the number of articles? [17:39:28] * lzia reads Bob's email on the normalized rank front. [17:44:10] bmansurov: it's not clear to me. I sent a response to Bob. [17:44:27] lzia: ok, thanks [17:47:30] bmansurov: re code for users to enter instead of their username, I pinged J-Mo on the email. Let's have his input in to make sure we don't do something that may be known to not work. [17:47:48] lzia: ok [19:21:41] bmansurov: for eliciting new editor interests experiment, are you going to follow the previous convention of not email users who have disabled Email this user feature? [19:22:49] j-mo: what happens if we shorten the email to users extensively? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Voice_and_exit_in_a_voluntary_work_environment/Elicit_new_editor_interests#Participation_invitation_email [19:23:36] j-mo: It's nice to give all the context, but I'm also concerned that the people's attention span can be limited. Maybe we should say what we're asking them to do very early on, and move all the context and further info to the bottom of the email? [19:24:28] lzia: yes. the script that sends out has this check built in. [19:24:35] sends out emails [19:25:16] * bmansurov bbl [19:26:29] lzia I'll look at this after my next meeting and weigh in. thanks! [19:33:10] miriam: check https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research/WikiWorkshop [19:57:11] lzia I'm going to suggest a much shorter letter. Should I do so in email? [19:57:19] or edit the wiki? [20:02:35] j-mo: edit the page directly. [20:02:42] j-mo: thanks! [20:06:35] will do [20:39:48] leila changes made and email sent: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Research:Voice_and_exit_in_a_voluntary_work_environment/Elicit_new_editor_interests&diff=18705336&oldid=18705012&diffmode=source [21:51:18] j-mo: thanks. reviewing. [21:55:35] bmansurov: are you following up the discussions about raw IP address vs. a proper URL re new editor interests experiment? [21:55:41] bmansurov: do you have input there? [21:56:01] leila: yes, I agree having an domain name would be nicer [21:56:18] leila: but having a WMF domain name may delay things [21:56:20] bmansurov: is this something you can relatively quickly help with? [21:56:31] can this go under recommend.wmflabs.org? [21:57:02] leila: not sure if it will be quick, sure it can go there, but I'm not sure what it takes to run Ramtin's app there. [22:00:28] bmansurov: can it be a redirect? [22:01:26] bmansurov: agreed that it should be a quick fix. [22:05:43] leila: not sure, it will probably be hard to get it right if it's a redirect. [22:05:47] if you mean like a proxy [22:06:22] bmansurov: I see what you say. [22:06:41] leila: I think we can resolve the issue with a simple sentence saying that it's an experiment, and not worry about the URL format. After all email will be coming from us. [22:07:06] bmansurov: I wonder if that makes people worried even more. ;) [22:07:08] but fair. [22:07:12] haha [22:07:24] I'll do one pass right now and see if we can add something to that effect. [22:07:55] being honest about time constraints is a good thing imo [23:04:14] j-mo: I did one pass over one of the emails and tried to shorten it further. Have a look when you're available and let me know if you spot issues: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Voice_and_exit_in_a_voluntary_work_environment/Elicit_new_editor_interests#Participation_invitation_email [23:04:33] j-mo: the signature is becoming longer than the email. ;) [23:11:08] leila. I like it—it's clear and succinct. I kind of miss some of the friendly/encouraging "cruft" from my version, but unless we plan on A/B testing the survey invitation I think the best thing to do is to go with the shortest, clearest version. And that's yours ;) [23:11:34] (that was a joke about A/B testing the invitation. I'm not advocating that we do that) [23:16:50] j-mo: I miss those too. :( [23:17:18] j-mo: It's a hard battle. to keep it short, and to give context. I'm wondering if I should move the context from the earlier version to footnote. [23:17:43] thanks for reviewing it. I know there is nothing wrong it now, and I'll see if I can include more context in the footnote