[14:44:00] hey isaacj [14:44:17] so are we canceling the WWrW meeting today? [14:47:53] yeah - do you have the ability to do that? when I try, it just removes it from my calendar [14:48:05] dsaez: [14:49:25] nop, same here. [14:51:32] ahh okay, well hopefully people will see my message then. I'll sign on just in case [15:51:19] o/ [15:51:37] ciao leila! do you mind if we finish today our meeting at .45 so that I can get home and attend the showcase from there? [15:51:58] isaacj: whenever you have time to test it: I'm not sure why you cannot delete the WtWRW meeting for everyone. Everyone has "Modify event" rights. Can you double check? [15:52:05] also, leila: how did the ICWSM deadline go? [15:52:11] miriam: not at all. just shorten the meeting in the calendar. [15:52:21] leila: alright, thanks! [15:53:15] leila: is it gone from your calendar now? [15:53:21] miriam: we made it. :) the notifications will come out on 2/22. [15:53:30] * leila checks the calendar for isaacj [15:53:38] it's possible that it's just really bad feedback from the UI and i assumed it was only deleted for myself [15:53:47] isaacj: no [15:53:51] :D [15:54:09] I have no idea what's going on. I'll delete it for now for everyone. curious. [15:54:32] brb [15:55:58] yeah, google's documentation suggests that because i can edit i should be able to cancel it. gah. thanks though [15:56:24] and congrats leila ! [15:56:39] leila: fingers crossed!! I am reviewing for the second round too, isaacj too I believe :) [15:58:35] thanks thanks [15:59:18] miriam: I received an invitation but had to, sadly, turn it down. :( there is just a lot to do for the webconf and I'm convincing myself that it's enough to have that as my only community service this year. [15:59:39] haha yep. it's like Netflix's autoplay :) i always assume that i have a paper from the previous round that i'm supposed to review again [15:59:44] miriam: I don't like it at all. the rule of "for every paper you submit, you should review 3" is one that I want to support. [16:00:17] isaacj: yeah. :D just to be clear: the one from the previous round I did review. that would be unfair to the authors otherwise. :D [16:00:55] yeah, agreed and it's nice to follow those papers through too [16:01:04] leila: let's please modify this rule to "for every paper you submit, you should review 3, unless you are general chair of one of the major conferences in computer science" [16:01:38] :D [16:01:42] approved. :D [16:40:20] bmansurov: do you have time to hop on a call? [16:40:33] leila: maybe in 15mins, in SoS now [16:40:40] ok ok. [16:40:49] leila: I'll ping you [16:40:57] bmansurov: thanks! :) [16:46:30] leila: ready? [16:53:19] bmansurov: yup. call when ready [16:54:51] leila: calling [17:09:20] leila: you mentioned creating/tagging academic paper review tasks on phabricator. should i be using Research-outreach as the tag or was there a different one you were thinking? [19:25:41] hi everyone! research showcase is beginning in about 5 min [19:26:10] I'll be IRC host. if you have questions for the presenters, ping me in the question and I'll relay it to the speaker during Q&A [19:31:13] the research showcase has begun! relevant info in the chan topic. I'll be your IRC host [19:31:23] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc51jE_KNTc [19:31:24] o/ [19:31:30] thanks, J-Mo. confirming that the youtube is working. ;) [19:32:06] the link to wiki workshop: http://wikiworkshop.org/2019/ [19:36:04] thanks, leila [19:38:27] anytime [19:40:08] thanks for the quick announcement, miriam [19:40:26] no problem DarTar! [19:47:28] Damn right. My experiences and research clearly points towards social motivations increasing over time. [19:47:52] J-Mo: q here, but add me at the end of the queue [19:48:01] got it DarTar [19:48:47] J-Mo: I have a question: Can you share your thoughts on the potential interplay of selection bias in the first study? That is, the current structure of Wikipedia may dictate that only certain types of editors with certain motivations stay around for specific editor groups you had? For example, the fact that "social" is not a motivation for a certain editor type can be because the platform does not accommodate that motivation an [19:49:30] got it leila. [19:49:36] J-Mo: thanks. [19:50:31] An consistent with past literature. People who stick around were probably super active in their first few days. [19:51:25] I didn't catch that last point. Is motivation correlated with the initial activity or not? [19:51:45] halfak, want me to ask that? [19:51:59] Hmm. I guess I could ask. I have some other questions. I'm in the hangout. :) [19:52:06] go for it [19:52:11] This was more of a simple clarification question :| [19:54:45] leila: are you in the hangout? You can ask directly if you are [19:55:09] DarTar: I'm not. [19:59:36] I have multiple questions and we'd probably be here another half hour if I asked them all. I'd like to request Martina's permission to contact her by email so that we can have a longer conversation. Would you please ask her to email me at wiki.pine<@>gmail.com so that we can set up a channel for discussion? Thanks! [20:00:16] I don't feel comfortable making that request, Pine. [20:00:44] OK. How would you suggest that I do follow up/offline discussion? Maybe talk page or wiki-research-l? [20:01:36] We can discuss this later if it's a sensitive subject. Sorry if this is outside of the social expectations for this discussion. [20:01:51] thanks for passing the question and the response. [20:02:01] I'll follow up with Martina with some ideas. :) [20:02:28] miriam: please take a look when you get a chance: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T212937#4885806 [20:03:13] J-Mo: we need to move on to the second talk, so please let’s freeze the question queue after Marshall and save it for the end of the showcase [20:03:33] +1 ^ [20:03:54] got it [20:06:33] drumroll for tassos [20:07:18] really appreciated you could join at the last minute following a schedule change, thanks tassos (if you’re here) [20:07:37] seriously. and he didn't even know he would end up on YouTube. ;) [20:07:52] live demo FTW [20:08:04] he knew ... [20:08:22] then this will be the first question for him, dsaez. :D [20:08:45] Wiki Atlas : https://wiki-atlas.org/ [20:08:45] ;) [20:12:03] bmansurov: ok, thanks! [20:16:23] I have to run. Good job everyone! [20:17:29] dsaez: I have a suggestion. what do you think about offering the articles read not only in terms of pageviews for locations, but also allowing the user to filter for "usual" pageviews and "more unique" pageviews. Some people may not be interested about the most viewed places, but the most viewed but unique places that not everyone knows about. [20:17:58] dsaez: FWIW, I would use that visualization for sure, especially when I travel. [20:18:29] what would be the definition of "unique" ? [20:18:44] dsaez: that's when /you/ come in. ;) [20:18:47] * leila thinks more [20:18:53] hehe [20:18:57] but give me an example [20:20:25] I’d love to see an indicator of the Y value on the tooltip itself (the absolute or normalized value, or ideally the popularity rank within a geographical context), right now it’s quite hard to understand that [20:20:30] dsaez: ^ [20:21:40] leila: are you thinking like a spike in page views? or places whose page views are from a wider selection of articles (e.g., via navigation vectors data on referers)? [20:22:00] * leila is working on a couple of examples. [20:22:23] DarTar, good, this is the backlog [20:22:38] nice [20:23:24] dsaez: is the data retrieved live and cached from the PV api? [20:24:28] items and geolocation cached, obtained form dumps. Page previews are liv, coming from the API, [20:24:36] *from [20:25:19] got it [20:25:42] and the keyword filters against the snippet or wikidata description/class? [20:26:22] dsaez: do you have a specific audience in mind for this visualization? (cuz my feedback may or may not be relevant based on that) [20:27:49] the idea is to create a general tool for viz, not a particular audience, one main feature that TAssos is implemeting is the ability to compare two maps, so you could compare two different langauges, or two different periods of time [20:28:34] dsaez: ok. with no specific audience in mind I will take my earlier suggestion back. :) [20:28:46] no specific audience -> general [20:29:34] true [20:30:00] just to jump in on that: it would probably be useful to think of at least 1 or 2 potential specific audiences for the tool. It's easier to prioritize design and feature work if you have an idea of particular users or use cases you're designing for. [20:31:05] +1 to what J-Mo said [20:31:38] dsaez: I agree with J-Mo. basically the way I see this application is that it's a product, and the product usually has 1+ target users and these will be the folks you develop features for. [20:31:46] eh. tassos just mentioned the "who" [20:31:53] yep [20:33:31] J-Mo, Abeey, agree with that [20:34:49] If I may ask one question about the first presentation, I'd like to ask this. My understanding is that there is a very steep drop in participation between an editor's registration and their first edit, and additional steep drops through their 5th edit. Does this research about motivation help us to understand why those early drop offs are so steep, and what we might be able to do to retain people for at least a few more productive edits? [20:38:18] thanks Pine I'll add this to the queue [20:38:19] J-Mo: ^ [20:38:22] :) [20:42:16] Thanks! [20:46:12] bye all, thanks IRC host o/ [20:46:13] Good presentations. I feel like we could have spent a ton more time talking through that dynamic systems model. [20:46:35] What is this really telling us? It's weird to say that "activity drives motivation" one way or the other. [20:46:43] As opposed to "motivation drives activity" [20:59:18] halfak: maybe "understanding gleaned from activity can alter motivation" [20:59:51] J-Mo, totally. Probably more related to the type of experience than amount, but it's still a fair point. [21:00:30] J-Mo, one of my other questions was going to be "what types of initial motivations survive rejection" [21:01:21] I think that these would be good questions for research-l, if people are willing to discuss there. [21:36:25] Trump Hotel is a popular library in USA, it seems https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/2019-01-16_Wiki-Atlas_USA_libraries.png [21:45:17] Echo, order an Alias https://twitter.com/BjoernKarmann/status/1084852721948246023 [21:45:30] dsaez: you’ll love that [21:46:17] hehehe