[01:29:46] <SparkyHelper2>	 i have a tech issue
[01:30:02] <Reedy>	 What is it?
[01:30:47] <SparkyHelper2>	 the wikipedia app problem
[01:33:17] <SparkyHelper2>	 it lets me edit when i am blcoek
[01:33:19] <SparkyHelper2>	 blocked
[01:34:39] <Reedy>	 Does it?
[01:34:44] <Reedy>	 What username on wiki?
[01:34:51] <SparkyHelper2>	 SparkyHelper2
[01:34:58] <Reedy>	 Which wiki?
[01:35:02] <SparkyHelper2>	 I have been blocked from 2006
[01:35:08] <SparkyHelper2>	 wikipedia
[01:35:10] <SparkyHelper2>	 the app
[01:35:12] <Reedy>	 english?
[01:35:15] <SparkyHelper2>	 yes
[01:35:26] <SparkyHelper2>	 i reported but people said it was fake
[01:35:31] <Reedy>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SparkyHelper2
[01:35:31] <SparkyHelper2>	 so please fix it
[01:35:40] <Reedy>	 10:20, 6 November 2017 Yunshui (talk | contribs) blocked SparkyHelper2 (talk | contribs) with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation blocked) (Abusing multiple accounts: User:ScooterBeanieBoo)
[01:35:46] <Reedy>	 You were blocked after the last edit
[01:35:50] <SparkyHelper2>	 yep that's me
[01:35:58] <Reedy>	 The previous block
[01:35:58] <Reedy>	 23:12, 20 October 2017 Ponyo (talk | contribs) blocked SparkyHelper2 (talk | contribs) with an expiration time of 24 hours (account creation blocked) (Vandalism)
[01:36:04] <SparkyHelper2>	 I can still edit
[01:36:14] <Reedy>	 There's no evidence of it
[01:36:23] <Reedy>	 The last contribution was before the indefinite block
[01:36:29] <SparkyHelper2>	 but i will prove it ok
[01:36:40] <Reedy>	 Sure, please do
[01:36:53] <SparkyHelper2>	 watch the eraser page on  english wikipedia
[01:37:35] <SparkyHelper2>	 I can't get there
[01:38:31] <SparkyHelper2>	 sorry i got to leave
[01:44:10] <Reedy>	 lol
[01:48:08] <Sri_Designer>	 To be on the safe side, check his ip for vandalisms
[01:48:48] <Reedy>	 Nothing recent
[09:00:12] <mutante>	 4/win 2
[14:13:09] <Antime>	 Hello. I'd like to ask when will the cloud discussions  begin. Kindly confirm 4pm UTC as noticed in the mail list. Regards
[14:19:29] <andre__>	 Antime: What are the cloud discussions?
[14:19:42] <andre__>	 Antime: Do you mean https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting ?
[14:23:41] <Antime>	 Thanx. @andre__
[15:03:26] <MichaelSchoenitz>	 Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 60 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @addshore & @Christoph_Jauera_(WMDE) - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
[16:00:22] <CFisch_WMDE>	 \o/
[16:01:33] <CFisch_WMDE>	 Welcome everybody to the 12th Technical Advice IRC Meeting!
[16:02:01] <addshore>	 0/
[16:05:15] <Wurgl>	 Silence? May I start asking?
[16:05:25] <CFisch_WMDE>	 Sure!
[16:05:52] <Wurgl>	 on database dewiki_p I miss the prividege for the EXPLAIN clause
[16:07:01] <Wurgl>	 I tend to do a lot of logic with SQL, but since I do not see what keys exist and I do cannot use EXPLAIN … well, its a lttle bit hard
[16:07:18] <CFisch_WMDE>	 sounds like something for the ops people
[16:07:38] <CFisch_WMDE>	 you should create a ticket on Phabricator
[16:07:38] <Wurgl>	 https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/22259  <-- an example for a nice query. Description is in german language
[16:08:28] <Wurgl>	 okay
[16:09:21] <CFisch_WMDE>	 and you could additionally ask in #wikimedia-operations
[16:09:59] <Wurgl>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T179922 <-- another one for those people.
[16:15:12] <Wurgl>	 Another thing which took a few hours to find out … https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Login#How_to_log_in
[16:15:18] <Wurgl>	 The login sequence
[16:15:49] <CFisch_WMDE>	 Looking at https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors#Technical%20Operations :
[16:15:49] <Wurgl>	 Yes, you need a token. And with the next call, this token has to be sent back to the server
[16:15:52] <CFisch_WMDE>	 For Database related stuff you could probably poke people like https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:JCrespo_(WMF) and https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:MArostegui_(WMF)
[16:17:04] <Wurgl>	 But what I missed: You also get a few cookies set and you need to send those cookies back to the server too. If you do not you get a message like "logintoken is missing"
[16:17:37] <Wurgl>	 So it would be nice if someone mentions the need for cookies in this two-step login procedure
[16:18:16] <Wurgl>	 … or change the error message …
[16:18:41] <CFisch_WMDE>	 Oh, nice finding. You could probably add that additional info ... it's a wiki ;-)!
[16:19:22] <Wurgl>	 Well my english is a little bit … not so nice
[16:19:29] <CFisch_WMDE>	 Hehe
[16:21:07] <CFisch_WMDE>	 So if I understand it correctly, when you request the token to login, there are cookies set that will be needed for the 2nd step, the actual login?
[16:21:24] <addshore>	 silly wifi!
[16:21:47] <CFisch_WMDE>	 wb addshore ;-)
[16:21:54] <Wurgl>	 exactly
[16:22:06] <addshore>	 *reads up*
[16:23:16] <addshore>	 hmm, I think all of the indexes are explained somewhere
[16:23:25] <Wurgl>	 No question that one needs the cookies set by the login itself. But I did not expect a need for those when requesting the token
[16:23:48] <Wurgl>	 Yes, the indexes can be found in the dump files
[16:24:25] <Wurgl>	 there you see create table statements at the very beginning.
[16:24:44] <addshore>	 https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Toolforge/Database#Replica_database_schema_.28tables_and_indexes.29
[16:33:19] <CFisch_WMDE>	 Wurgl: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=2613935&oldid=2502127&title=API%3ALogin&type=revision ;-)
[16:33:59] <Wurgl>	 perfect
[16:37:38] <addshore>	 :D
[16:41:28] <CFisch_WMDE>	 Anyone else with questions? :-)
[16:41:43] <CFisch_WMDE>	 Trivial patches that need reviews ;-)
[16:46:45] <addshore>	 1 liners!
[16:47:06] <CFisch_WMDE>	 *g*
[16:47:48] <CFisch_WMDE>	 Ah, I have one addshore https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/389951/ ^^
[16:48:13] <addshore>	 ooooh
[16:48:37] <addshore>	 hahahahhaaa
[16:56:58] <Wurgl>	 Found a workaround for the missing EXPLAIN … https://tools.wmflabs.org/tools-info/optimizer.py
[16:57:55] <addshore>	 wooo!
[16:58:09] <Wurgl>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T50875 <-- mentioned here
[16:59:07] <addshore>	 Wurgl: if you can manage to work a link to that into the docs then do! :D
[16:59:56] <addshore>	 Right thats about it!
[17:00:40] <CFisch_WMDE>	 :-)
[17:01:30] <addshore>	 Until next time!
[17:05:58] <Wurgl>	 I have bookmarked that tool-page, I will try to find some nice place
[22:35:01] <SparkyHelper2>	 I have a bug with the Wikipedia app
[22:45:10] <legoktm>	 SparkyHelper2: no you don't
[22:45:52] <SparkyHelper2>	 Oh sorry bye
[22:51:16] <eddiegp>	 lol, that conversation :D
[22:51:38] <Zppix>	 Gotta love it
[22:55:07] <Amgine>	 legoktm-kenobi.
[23:01:47] <Krinkle>	 tgr: :)
[23:03:27] <DanielK_WMDE>	 damn. phab doesn't have quips function, does it?
[23:06:47] <Krinkle>	 DanielK_WMDE: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Quips
[23:06:51] <Krinkle>	 https://tools.wmflabs.org/bash/top
[23:10:52] <eddiegp>	 https://tools.wmflabs.org/bash/quip/AV-d16bjJfYMc0lpkgTu ;)
[23:18:06] <DanielK_WMDE>	 !bash <RandomGuy2> I have a bug with the Wikipedia app	<legoktm> RandomGuy2: no you don't	<RandomGuy2> Oh sorry bye
[23:18:06] <stashbot>	 DanielK_WMDE: Stored quip at https://tools.wmflabs.org/bash/quip/AV-d7Sm-F4fsM4DBdbLP
[23:18:12] <DanielK_WMDE>	 \o/
[23:18:40] <Zppix>	 Yes
[23:18:45] <Zppix>	 Love
[23:19:03] <DanielK_WMDE>	 stashbot should randomly post qips when the channel is quiet
[23:19:04] <stashbot>	 See https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tool:Stashbot for help.
[23:19:28] <DanielK_WMDE>	 sssshhh, shut up stashbot!
[23:19:34] <DanielK_WMDE>	 i wasn't talking to you
[23:20:19] <eddiegp>	 Now it's there stored twice in quips
[23:20:20] <DanielK_WMDE>	 eddiegp was waaaayyy ahead of me, I see :)
[23:21:05] <DanielK_WMDE>	 *sigh* yea...
[23:21:33] <eddiegp>	 I've felt free to delete the second one, hope you don't mind :)
[23:23:04] <eddiegp>	 DanielK_WMDE: ^
[23:41:41] <tgr>	 Krinkle: sorry, had another meeting
[23:42:30] <tgr>	 I was thinking of things like Mobile Content Service
[23:44:16] <tgr>	 which was initially created for Wikipedia-specific mobile apps, so there wasn't really a point to making it usable for third parties, and then the mobile web has become increasingly more reliant on it, but it's still mostly treated as a Wikimedia-specific tool (e.g. no assumption that the wiki might be configured differently from Wikimedia wikis, to not even mention installation support)
[23:45:46] <tgr>	 and there isn't any place in that process where one could point to and say "an RfC should have happened here", at least with how we think of RfCs today