[00:05:52] AntiComposite: subpages need to be enabled on the namespace your page is in
[00:06:48] !wg NamespacesWithSubpages
[00:06:59] see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespacesWithSubpages
[00:14:01] * AntiComposite is not the one with the question, you're looking for Benoit-Rochon, Platonides
[00:18:26] woops
[00:18:28] sorry
[00:18:48] Benoit-Rochon: subpages need to be enabled on the namespace your page is in
[00:18:51] see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespacesWithSubpages
[01:16:45] Thank you
[01:55:15] you are welcome
[09:41:40] Hi, this might be the wrong place to ask but. How do I turn off the new wikitext mode on enwiki? I've turned it off in the Beta functions and saved, but when the page reloads it is enabled again.
[09:58:12] what is "the new wikitext mode"?
[09:59:02] VisualEditor?
[13:14:30] hey there? is this the place to ask something about the CloudVPS?
[13:16:52] theFanoulis: #wikimedia-cloud
[13:17:35] thx
[14:45:07] A question on FB: is it possible to see how many percents of edits on a wiki has been done using visual editor?
[14:48:10] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Tqb64j6r6gua1h64
[14:53:58] Stryn: "FB"?
[14:54:03] facebook
[14:54:25] so it's not easy to get statistics it seems
[14:54:27] IIRC https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Statistics has the answer
[14:55:06] not really
[14:55:27] It does: https://edit-analysis.wmflabs.org/editor-engagement/
[14:55:37] But the specific thing appears to have been removed
[14:56:00] It's trivial to do on quarry though
[14:56:32] Search finds https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/5571
[14:56:50] and https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/1998
[14:57:32] nice, they look useful
[15:39:17] Niharika: Around?
[15:57:45] andre__, i'm only 6 hours late in replying. "new wikitext mode" is a beta function on most wikipedias with a more VisualEditor-like interface for source editing. a.k.a. the https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/2017_wikitext_editor
[16:00:30] Theres way too many things named wikitext editor
[16:00:32] There’s a ton of bugs I found in the new wikitext mode
[16:01:46] Thats not even the only wikitext editing mode invented in 2017
[16:02:19] what
[16:03:33] Well theres also wikitext syntax highlighting for the non-ve editor
[16:03:49] id call that a mode for editing wikitext
[16:25:03] Adotchar: https://mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_report_a_bug
[18:33:53] Neha16: Around now!
[18:34:07] Sorry. I'm at a conference this week.
[18:34:38] Niharika: That's fine. I did not get the results of phase 1 evaluations. Did I pass?
[18:35:06] Neha16: You did. :) That was a given! I thought you were on the Outreachy mailing list.
[18:35:19] That's where the results were posted.
[18:35:32] Niharika: Oh, I am not. I will join right now. Thank you so much.
[18:36:41] Neha16: I'm sorry I didn't get around to reviewing your patches. I will try to review a couple of them soon.
[18:37:10] Niharika: That's perfectly alright
[18:38:15] Niharika: Could you please leave some pointers on T86967
[18:38:16] T86967: Convert Scholarships application to log directly to Logstash - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86967
[18:38:46] Neha16: I setup the scholarships and iegreview test instances on labs. Do you have labs access?
[18:38:57] Niharika: No
[18:40:34] Neha16: Okay, I'll look into that. As for that task, I haven't really worked on the logging part of that application. bd808 would know more about it. Could you meanwhile work on a different task?
[18:41:24] Niharika: Sure, I will find something else :)
[18:41:40] Neha16: I'm looking at your proposal and it looks like you've already made it all the ways down the list. :)
[18:42:19] I can try to add some guidance to T86967 about how it could be done. Its been a while since I thought about that one.
[18:42:44] Niharika: Yes, the last two- three tasks have blockers I think.
[18:43:13] bd808: That would be really helpful.
[18:52:20] Neha16: Your wikitech username is Nehajha, correct?
[18:52:34] Niharika: Let me check
[18:53:05] Niharika: Yes, it is.
[18:53:37] Neha16: I added you as a project member for grantreview.
[18:54:07] Niharika: Does that mean I can merge patches?
[18:54:11] Neha16: In the sidebar in wikitech, you can go to "Manage Projects" and you'll land up here - https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:NovaProject
[18:54:58] Neha16: No, it means you can access the test instance - grantreview-dev.wmflabs.org and put your patches there.
[18:56:06] Niharika: Oh, So do I need to add any patch right now?
[18:57:05] Neha16: So how this works is a project can have multiple instances. The instance that you see running there is grantreview-03. You can access it by `ssh grantreview-03.grantreview.eqiad.wmflabs`
[18:57:56] Neha16: Not right now, but you can certainly ssh in and pull code on it when it gets merged etc.
[18:58:11] Neha16: It's a vagrant instance.
[18:58:38] So you can navigate to /srv/mediawiki-vagrant and ssh into vagrant, like you do on your local install.
[18:59:24] Niharika: I see. I will spend some more time with it to get the hang of it.
[23:03:32] thedj: Remember https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:External_editors ?
[23:04:54] * bawolff used to use that
[23:37:02] Okay
[23:37:16] Can someone PLEASE tell me where this is broken
[23:37:17] Page:Railways Act 1921 (ukpga 19210055 en).pdf/91
[23:37:31] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Railways_Act_1921_(ukpga_19210055_en).pdf/91
[23:37:41] I've spent the best part of day trying to get it to work
[23:38:07] And yet somehow because of an obscure interaction that I am supposed to know about
[23:38:25] for some reason, it still doesn't want to behave
[23:38:28] This is beyond a joke
[23:41:22] nothing about that page looks broken to me
[23:41:29] it would be helpful if you explained the problem
[23:42:35] ShakespeareFan00, you need to provide steps to reproduce a problem if you want people to reproduce a problem...
[23:42:56] MatmaRex: It's appearing here -
[23:43:14] https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&dir=prev
[23:43:40] Somewhere a P tag is being generated
[23:43:51] where it shouldn't be
[23:44:14] I edited the relevant templates so it should just be passing stuff through directly
[23:44:44] and I've used a near identical approach on other pages without this occuring
[23:44:55] It would be nice to now HOW to fix it
[23:45:16] wow, https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cl-act-paragraph&action=edit is a hot mess
[23:45:19] because I've tried at least 3 approaches, and it still shows up as problem
[23:45:30] why does it have
closing tags all over the place with no opening tags? D:
[23:45:39] MatmaRex: They should be paired
[23:45:49] One part of the template does any opening
[23:45:55] One part of the template closes
[23:46:14] you don't even really need to close tags in html5...
[23:46:20] that's crazy
[23:46:36] ShakespeareFan00: honestly, this looks like a multi-hour debugging affair, and i'm busy right now. sorry
[23:46:37] MatmaRex: Linter complained about the non closure
[23:46:59] So I added logic into the template to do the relevant closing
[23:47:07] this template makes me want to run away
[23:47:19] And an escape to render table stuff directly
[23:47:56] This template is this complex because mediawiki doesn't at present handle Proofread page split layouts with any kind of sanity
[23:48:13] And this is the nominally simpler version
[23:48:23] The original was DIV based
[23:48:30] which would have REALLY broken
[23:49:06] And this was simplifcation was supposed to have resolved the concerns about missing end tags etc etc..
[23:49:38] What' making me anrgy, is that I can use the approach on one page, and it works
[23:49:48] I use it on a different one and it doesn't
[23:50:41] I would consider myself a reasonably experienced contributor to WMF projects
[23:50:53] ShakespeareFan00: i suggest you just compare the pages using ?action=parsermigration-edit: https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Railways_Act_1921_(ukpga_19210055_en).pdf/91&action=parsermigration-edit
[23:51:01] but this has had me head-scratching for at least 3 days now
[23:51:04] ShakespeareFan00: and if both sides look the same, don't bother with that linter error
[23:51:12] not worth your time
[23:51:26] MatmaRex: Right, so no one cares?
[23:52:02] The two pages look identical in the parser migration thingy
[23:52:28] ShakespeareFan00: i just don't have several days of free time right now to learn how the dozens of wikisource templates that page uses all work
[23:52:38] I appreciate that
[23:52:42] well, perhaps several hours would suffice. but still
[23:53:05] But in trying to solve this, I've REPEATEDLy asked for someone to explain WHERE and HOW it's wrong?
[23:53:46] It is unreasonable to expect contributors trying to figure out why something they wrote no longer works
[23:54:00] where the tools available to them are cryptic
[23:54:25] and the underlying cause is almost certainly some obscure interaction they are supposed to know about telpathicaly
[23:54:47] but which isn't seemingly well documented
[23:55:09] This seems to be a theme, with some of the issues I come up against.
[23:56:00] Developers aren't telepathic either...
[23:56:41] I know that
[23:56:47] ShakespeareFan00: it's difficult to expose this information when the error is nested ten levels deep in templates
[23:57:01] bawolff: What does telepathy have to do with reporting bullshit linter errors?
[23:57:11] Right, well thats it...
[23:57:11] ShakespeareFan00: Special:LintErrors actually points you to the position on the page where the error occurs. but that's not very helpful when it's in a template, of course
[23:57:21] time to blow up the template and start again...
[23:57:23] :(
[23:57:51] Ivy: Systems are complicated, we can't always figure out why complex interactions with very complicated templates happen
[23:58:13] Mediawiki in this instance seems to not want to do something that a proper layotu engine should eb able to do easily
[23:58:41] bawolff: Sure, but we can focus on not reporting false positives or non-issues.
[23:59:06] It's not a non-issue
[23:59:15] Something is broken with that template code..
[23:59:18] Didn't you just say the rendering was the same?
[23:59:26] Cosmetically
[23:59:33] Visually it's identical
[23:59:42] That sounds like a non-issue.
[23:59:51] Right so no-one cares
[23:59:54] But if you're intent on wasting your time on it...