[00:57:43] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create 10 * Gregory376 * (New user account) [02:51:34] Josve05a is wondering when TS will be closed. [02:51:53] Apparently in a day or two, accounts will be disabled [02:52:04] oh S#*t (no Monday?) do you guys know if the Checklinks and/or Reflinks (by Dispenser) will be moved to the WMFLabs [02:52:07] on_* [02:52:29] I assume so. [02:52:41] Dispenser: confirm? [02:54:21] Dispenser: idle for 1 hour, 16 minutes, 58 seconds [02:55:35] huh: I was woundering sinci I use the ttols so much, it would be a shame that if it would be canceled due to "stupid" Wikimedia-rules... [02:56:58] Dispenser has been hanging out in #wikimedia-labs and already has a few projects on toollabs, so I assume he will move stuff over [02:57:35] Josve05a: he's also here if you didn't notice... why not ask on his talkpage on-wiki? [03:00:21] huh: I did not know if he still was active, since he has not made any edit on en-wiki since the 5 Nov and he has not aswered any of his talk page September [03:00:37] since September* [03:01:35] Josve05a: he /is/ on IRC currently [03:01:47] and has edited Meta in December [03:02:13] and Commons [03:04:44] ##Dispenser is his personal channel fwiw [03:07:21] I still on the fence about join with WMF Labs [03:08:55] Josve05a: did Dispenser answer you yet? [03:09:18] I huh Yes 1 min ago... [03:09:24] ah, good :) [03:09:28] May look into another Chapter Toolserver or AWS [03:09:44] Why not Labs? [03:10:59] 1) Not well thought out 2) WMF treats the community as (fiscally) worthless 3) Stuff missing/restricted [03:12:07] We/They still need to discuss allocating 1-10 TB of non-backed storage for Checklinks/Reflinks [03:17:41] Another source of incompatibility is rule differences. Close vs Open source, reproduction of content (Limited vs only CC-BY-SA), and breaking up tools (LOL, ain't working for them either). They're also piss poor with security. [03:19:18] 2014/01/04 03:19 WARN daphne MySQL slave SLOW_SLAVE WARNING: Slave IO: Yes Slave SQL: Yes Seconds Behind Master: 3481 [03:19:23] What's wrong with open source? [03:20:01] aka "free software" [03:20:18] 2014/01/04 03:19 WARN daphne s4 replag QUERY WARNING: 'SELECT ts_rc_age()' returned 3162.000000 [03:22:19] 2014/01/04 03:22 OK daphne MySQL slave Uptime: 22491333 Threads: 22 Questions: 3064204010 Slow queries: 2294183 Opens: 525401 Flush tables: 1 Open tables: 2312 Queries per second avg: 136.239 Slave IO: Yes Slave SQL: Yes Seconds Behind Master: 874 [03:22:19] 2014/01/04 03:21 OK daphne s4 replag QUERY OK: 'SELECT ts_rc_age()' returned 1421.000000 [03:22:40] First, WMF REWRITES EVERYTHING so pointless unless writing world class software. Second, your closing off better closed/open source tools. Third, some shit doesn't even have Free equivalents, e.g. GeoIP location. [03:28:13] I personally think it's good that the WMF only allows open source code on wmflabs. [03:29:56] I need to find the RMS quote about using closed source software till we can write open source replacements [03:32:44] The alternative is not use any software at all. WMF has made closed source exceptions, BTW. [03:32:51] I know [03:33:09] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FLOSS-Exchange is an incomplete list of them [03:34:18] It also has an incomplete list of open source software they use [03:35:11] I meant at Labs. It closed vs. open source is mostly a legal thing for them. (Well legal is one of the few things they can do well) [03:35:26] Oh [03:35:31] Examples? [03:36:16] I can't remember, but was told this was how they were planning to transfer closed source tools [03:39:19] I would run vrms but that isn't installed on tools [03:45:10] That depend on your goals. I'd much rather have an web SVG editor, translation toolkits, working audio/video on the iPad, lexical analysis with WikiProject integration, intelligent watchlist, YouTube integration (for music), and many more things I'm not allowed to do :-( [03:45:40] +Netflix/Amazon/Hulu play buttons [03:49:53] Thanks to no datamining rule, Labs has a Deep-User Inspection tool, but the German Community is pissed. And it isn't even that sophisticated! It missing all the talk page sections and favorite words. [03:51:26] Favorite words? [03:51:36] That would be expensive. [03:52:42] All English users' favorite word would probably be "the" [03:53:52] Most frequently used words compared to standard usage. The stuff would be useful on article pages to spot non-encyclopedic writing. [03:58:49] True. [03:59:02] Good idea, but still would be expensive. [03:59:32] DispenserAFK: BTW, I am not a free software purist at all, but I understand the ideas behind open source and agree with it [14:35:45] 2014/01/04 14:34 WARN ortelius toolserver.org HTTP HTTP WARNING: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 239 bytes in 0.983 second response time [14:36:45] 2014/01/04 14:35 CRIT ortelius toolserver.org HTTP CRITICAL - Socket timeout after 10 seconds [14:41:46] 2014/01/04 14:40 OK ortelius toolserver.org HTTP HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 239 bytes in 0.154 second response time [14:45:46] 2014/01/04 14:38 CRIT wolfsbane toolserver.org HTTP CRITICAL - Socket timeout after 10 seconds [14:48:47] 2014/01/04 14:41 CRIT ortelius toolserver.org HTTP CRITICAL - Socket timeout after 10 seconds [14:51:47] 2014/01/04 14:51 WARN wolfsbane toolserver.org HTTP HTTP WARNING: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 239 bytes in 0.726 second response time [14:53:48] 2014/01/04 14:52 CRIT wolfsbane toolserver.org HTTP HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 239 bytes in 4.984 second response time [14:57:49] 2014/01/04 14:57 OK wolfsbane toolserver.org HTTP HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 239 bytes in 0.004 second response time [14:58:49] 2014/01/04 14:57 OK ortelius toolserver.org HTTP HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 239 bytes in 0.005 second response time [16:06:53] @replag [16:08:30] jem-: s1-rr-a: 8w 6d 13h 54m 51s [+1.00 s/s]; s1-rr-a-wd: error; s1-user-c: 8w 1d 6h 48m 25s [+1.00 s/s]; s1-user-wd: 13w 3d 3h 28m 35s [+1.00 s/s]; s2-user-c: error; s2-user-wd: 11w 5d 8h 20m 21s [+1.00 s/s]; s3-user-wd: 25w 21h 47m 10s [+1.00 s/s]; s4-user-wd: 21w 3h 3m 44s [+1.00 s/s] [16:08:31] jem-: s5-rr-a-wd: 12w 5d 22h 48m 0s [+1.00 s/s]; s5-user-c: 9w 5d 13h 28m 44s [+1.00 s/s]; s6-user-wd: 21w 3h 4m 0s [+1.00 s/s]; s7-user: 2d 7h 50m 47s [+0.93 s/s]; s7-user-wd: 21w 3h 4m 7s [+1.00 s/s] [19:33:16] hello [19:33:30] are there any toolserver admins here to help? [19:34:33] does anyone know when the transition to wmflabs will be complete? [21:19:05] Marlen Caemmerer * [Toolserver-l] Pleasse cleanup user-store [21:22:13] there where mailproblems on toolserver?