[00:03:12] 10Traffic, 10MediaWiki-Cache, 06Operations: Cached outdated revisions served to logged-out users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141687#2508995 (10Gestrid) Also, I was talking to someone in IRC (specifically the wikipedia-en channel), and they seemed to remember something similar from a couple of years... [00:08:41] 10Traffic, 10MediaWiki-Cache, 06Operations: Cached outdated revisions served to logged-out users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141687#2507607 (10Perhelion) I'm not sure it is related but on Commons are also some cache problems (since 2 days) reported (unrelated logged in or not). [00:16:36] 10Traffic, 10MediaWiki-Cache, 06Operations: Cached outdated revisions served to logged-out users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141687#2509033 (10Gestrid) >>! In T141687#2508997, @Perhelion wrote: > I'm not sure it is related but on Commons are also some cache problems (since 2 days) reported (unrelate... [00:27:00] 10Traffic, 10MediaWiki-Cache, 06Operations: Cached outdated revisions served to logged-out users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141687#2507607 (10Matanya) I faced this too, logged in or not, after editing https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A4%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%98%D7%9C:%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%9B%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9E... [00:33:27] 10Traffic, 10MediaWiki-Cache, 06Operations: Cached outdated revisions served to logged-out users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141687#2507607 (10AlexMonk-WMF) I just briefly looked through the 1.28.0-wmf.12 change log, only thing obviously from this area of core functionality was https://gerrit.wikime... [03:25:00] 10Traffic, 06Operations: Support TLS chacha20-poly1305 AEAD ciphers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131908#2509064 (10BBlack) I've built (but not yet tested) the wmf3 commit above with the cloudflare patch. It required some follow-on patching to even make it compile. The two issues were due to debian's... [09:35:38] 10Traffic, 10MediaWiki-Cache, 06Operations: Cached outdated revisions served to logged-out users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141687#2507607 (10Tbayer) Probably related: I have twice (now and one or two days ago) seen version histories that lacked the most recent revision(s) when viewed as logged-out... [10:12:50] 10Traffic, 10MediaWiki-Cache, 06Operations: Cached outdated revisions served to logged-out users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141687#2509250 (10Glaisher) p:05High>03Unbreak! This issue seems more widespread than initially thought and apparently it's not just enwiki so raising priority to UBN. A u... [10:35:59] 10Traffic, 10MediaWiki-Cache, 06Operations: Cached outdated revisions served to logged-out users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141687#2507607 (10Nemo_bis) I noticed this two days ago while visiting a user talk page on the Italian Wikipedia, where a message posted over 10 minutes before was not visible. [10:36:55] 10Traffic, 10MediaWiki-Cache, 06Operations, 07Performance: Cached outdated revisions served to logged-out users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141687#2509266 (10Nemo_bis) [12:37:08] 10Traffic, 06Operations, 10Phabricator: Phabricator needs to expose notification daemon (websocket) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112765#2509448 (10Danny_B) What is the status, please? Having {T765} (this task is its blocker) finally resolved would help a lot to prevent increasing number of actions b... [13:10:26] 10Traffic, 10MediaWiki-Cache, 06Operations, 07Performance: Cached outdated revisions served to logged-out users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141687#2509511 (10BBlack) >>! In T141687#2509250, @Glaisher wrote: > This issue seems more widespread than initially thought and apparently it's not just enwi... [13:12:28] 16 [13:19:02] 10Traffic, 06Operations, 10Phabricator: Phabricator needs to expose notification daemon (websocket) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112765#2509512 (10BBlack) There's a little bit of refactoring work (already in-progress) to do on the Varnish side to support it "correctly", but even if that weren't ready... [13:51:40] 10Traffic, 10MediaWiki-Cache, 06Operations, 07Performance: Cached outdated revisions served to logged-out users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141687#2509527 (10BBlack) I've dug through live PURGE logs to see if I can notice any odd patterns or malformed requests, but so far everything looks relative... [13:54:09] 10Traffic, 10MediaWiki-Cache, 06Operations, 07Performance: Cached outdated revisions served to logged-out users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141687#2509530 (10BBlack) Also, can someone better explain what's going on in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/299859/1/includes/page/WikiPage.php (same com... [13:58:06] 10Traffic, 06Operations, 10Phabricator: Phabricator needs to expose notification daemon (websocket) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112765#2509532 (10Danny_B) Thanks for the update @BBlack. To be honest, not knowing all the context, I am a bit confused, so I would appreciate any ETA (in a week, in a mon... [14:22:25] 10Traffic, 06Operations, 10Phabricator: Phabricator needs to expose notification daemon (websocket) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112765#2509603 (10BBlack) I wouldn't be the one working on turning up the service on iridium, and I'm not sure who would, so I can't really answer that. [15:26:51] 10Traffic, 10MediaWiki-Cache, 06Operations, 07Performance: Cached outdated revisions served to logged-out users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141687#2509686 (10Nemo_bis) >>! In T141687#2509530, @BBlack wrote: > varnish purge might pick up not-yet-invalidated parsercache output when it refreshes from... [16:06:53] 10Traffic, 10MediaWiki-Cache, 06Operations, 07Performance: Cached outdated revisions served to logged-out users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141687#2509697 (10AlexMonk-WMF) >>! In T141687#2509530, @BBlack wrote: > Also, can someone better explain what's going on in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/... [17:08:21] 10Traffic, 10MediaWiki-Cache, 06Operations, 07Performance: Cached outdated revisions served to logged-out users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141687#2509737 (10Glaisher) >>! In T141687#2509511, @BBlack wrote: > I think this is a dubious argument if it's the basis of raising it to UBN. It's just as... [17:21:25] 10Traffic, 10MediaWiki-Cache, 06Operations, 07Performance: Cached outdated revisions served to logged-out users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141687#2509761 (10Glaisher) I think https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/300338/3/includes/page/WikiPage.php is what happened here. If that is true, purges done... [18:11:45] 10Traffic, 10MediaWiki-Cache, 06Operations, 05MW-1.28-release-notes, and 3 others: Cached outdated revisions served to logged-out users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141687#2507607 (10aaron) I suspected missing PRESEND looking at this before, bug @Glaiser beat me to it. [18:51:44] 10Traffic, 10MediaWiki-Cache, 06Operations, 05MW-1.28-release-notes, and 3 others: Cached outdated revisions served to logged-out users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141687#2509924 (10aaron) 05Open>03Resolved a:03aaron Closing unless new edits have this happen again. [18:59:46] 10Traffic, 10MediaWiki-Cache, 06Operations, 05MW-1.28-release-notes, and 3 others: Cached outdated revisions served to logged-out users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141687#2507607 (10Tgr) >>! In T141687#2509033, @Gestrid wrote: >>>! In T141687#2508997, @Perhelion wrote: >> I'm not sure it is relate...