[09:43:52] Abraham_WMDE: is there a schedule for today online? [09:49:28] JeroenDeDauw: http://notes.wikimediadc.org/p/WikidataEvent [09:49:31] There's a spreadsheet Lydia_WMDE sent me [09:50:17] printed versions will be shared on the tables too [09:57:35] Where are the Etherpad notes for today? [09:58:17] some wikimediadc link [09:58:20] Jens_WMDE: JeroenDeDauw Silke_WMDE and other WMDE people - link? maybe put it in the /topic ? [09:59:41] sumanah http://notes.wikimediadc.org/p/WikidataEvent and .../RENDER (I think) [10:00:41] Silke_WMDE: hm, the RENDER one looks like it exists but is untouched.... [10:01:42] is it RENDER or Render? [10:01:51] http://notes.wikimediadc.org/p/RenderEvent [10:02:07] AHA [10:02:14] ok [10:02:17] thy [10:02:19] thx [10:03:57] Is it me, or is the internet getting slower and slower? :/ [10:04:04] And I've dropped from etherpad already [10:04:10] ! [10:04:30] still, better than WMF etherpad! [10:05:16] Of the wifi SSIDs, I only see 1 open one, Wikimedia-2.4GHz ... did Lydia_WMDE mention another one for us to use? [10:05:25] something with the number 5 in it? [10:05:33] yeah, i'm on it [10:05:58] USE 5GHz if you can [10:06:24] probably means you've not got a Wireless N chipset [10:06:30] Weird, my network manager doesn't show it. :( [10:06:39] sumanah: http://yfrog.com/z/mnt1dkp [10:06:42] inferior x200, curses [10:06:56] thanks Jens_WMDE1 [10:06:57] ! [10:07:26] I hate this laptop [10:07:31] my phone knows it'sthere ;) [10:08:40] can you tether through your phone? :P [10:09:08] Yeah, I do that in the hotel to share 1 user id ;) [10:09:13] I hate this laptop for other reasons [10:09:20] the batter is like at 25% already [10:09:28] just making a lot of hot air, not doing anything [10:09:53] Damn the TSA. [10:10:17] I should go buy a Mac [10:12:35] what's the tsa got to do with it? [10:13:02] They smashed the screen on my X220 [10:13:10] last week, so I'm having to use this laptop [10:25:55] angelika, are you in the channel? [10:27:00] aude: are you aware that http://notes.wikimediadc.org/ is down? [10:27:37] Have we /.'d it? [10:27:45] probably [10:28:01] if all else fails, we could go to the foundation's etherpad, i guess [10:28:33] I was avoiding that because http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/ also is not very robust [10:28:57] guillom: works for me [10:29:22] not sure how many people is too many for it [10:29:24] it's back, yes [10:29:45] sumanah: well, the difference being that we have Ops people here who can fix ours in real time ) [10:29:45] :) [10:30:11] * aude is ops people but we only have one server [10:31:34] So do we for etherpad ;) [10:31:45] ah [10:47:01] aude: Lydia_WMDE: so, should I leave out the etherpad links in the blog post? [10:47:43] I'd like to include them, but if they fail 50% of the time, I'd rather not. [10:49:29] guillom: agreed [10:50:26] * aude doesn't need a bazillion people to come to our etherpad [10:50:45] we'll see about optimizing it later [10:51:52] so, no, I guess. [10:52:38] Can we then ask participants to be diligent in posting the notes on wiki as soon as a session is over? (and blank the etherpad) [10:52:52] we can ask, yeah ( Lydia_WMDE ^) [10:57:28] multichill: the [[mw:Developer access]] queue is empty! [10:57:29] 10[1] 10http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_access [10:57:41] sumanah: Good job! [10:57:49] Thanks! :) [10:58:05] Ryan et al. set up enough automation that it doesn't take me too long to make an account [11:02:13] multichill: so whenever you want to send Dan Entous over, I'll make him an account [12:16:00] so is there a new blog post about wikidata out? i've been lurking here attempting to follow along, but haven't really succeeded as well as i would have liked :) [12:16:57] There's not really anything new [12:17:13] It's about getting more people in the loop (WMF staff etc) [12:18:12] the demo test-client and test-repo are encouraging to see [12:18:35] so is it a wmf internal blog post? [12:18:51] not really [12:18:54] we don't have an internal blog [12:19:56] does the post have a url yet? :) [12:29:44] sumanah: Lydia_WMDE: have you had time to take a look at the draft? [12:30:12] I am editing it now, guillom [12:30:21] great, thanks [12:30:37] oh, sorry, it hasn't been published yet then? [12:30:48] just in a few min I think, edsu [12:36:18] HE SAID SEMANTIC [12:46:44] semantisch [12:49:21] hi edsu [12:50:12] hiya aude, how is berlin treating you? [12:50:23] edsu: good [12:50:30] * aude is home in 2 weeks though [12:50:54] oh wow, time flies ; are you back in dc just for wikimania? [12:51:01] just for wikimania [12:51:08] then back to berlin? [12:51:12] yep [12:51:14] nice [12:51:22] not nice for us in dc mind you :) [12:51:27] trying to plan our wiknic and such while in dc [12:51:56] kristin, nicholas, dominic, etc. are doing a good job with the chapter [12:52:59] yes, i need to tune in more to what's going on [12:53:30] did the library of congress ever get its ducks in a row to be able to host the wikimania reception? [12:53:48] edsu: yes :) [12:53:53] nice! [12:53:55] not announced yet but yes [12:54:04] that's great [12:54:24] we have to think about ongoing collaborations that might be feasible, beyond wikimania [12:54:42] yeah, i got an email from someone at oclc who is a wikipedia in residence there [12:54:52] ah yes [12:54:57] he'll be at wikimania [12:55:12] oclc is kind of center of gravity for library technology stuff (for better or worse) [12:55:18] sure [12:55:20] so it is really nice to see [12:55:45] would be nice to have worldcat data be openly licensed or cc-0 [12:55:50] sorry, i don't mean to turn #wikidata into #wikiglam :) [12:55:58] heh [12:56:06] it's all related [12:56:23] aude: yeah, they recently started using Open Data Commons Attribution license [12:56:31] edsu: yep [12:56:51] aude: cc0 would've been preferable i think [12:56:53] * aude not sure how licensing will work with wikidata (leaning towards CC-0) and how to relate to other sources and licenses [12:57:06] don't think it's decided [12:57:11] yeah, cc0 would be great [12:57:39] how has the development been going, seeing the test client and repo makes me think things have come along nicely [12:57:40] it wouldn't be compatible with openstreetmap, for example, but maybe data sources can simply be linked [12:58:13] edsu: good but still need a bit of polish and more work until it's ready for interlanguage links [12:58:25] and testing [12:58:29] aude: oh, OSM is cc-by-sa? [12:58:51] OSM is cc-by-sa (now) but is switching soon to open database license which complicates thigs [12:58:54] things [12:59:15] cc-by-sa is inadequate for data (especially in europe) [12:59:33] while wikipedia (US copyright law) treats data as facts that can't be copyrighted [12:59:36] yeah [12:59:51] cc-0 would work everywhere i think but osm won't use it [13:00:21] mixing together differntly licensed data, and then making that data available is kind of a thorny problem, maybe [13:00:29] it is [13:00:32] i guess linking is one solution to that [13:00:39] could be [13:00:45] s/one/a potential/ [13:01:00] makes me happy at least :) [13:01:33] or there could be multiple wikidata repos (outside of wikimedia or within) [13:01:55] e.g. oclc repo maybe? [13:02:15] not sure how it work or if good idea [13:03:26] hmm, the max klein (oclc wikipedian in residence) mentioned using wikidata in an email to me [13:03:34] s/hmm, the// [13:03:57] mentioned it to us too [13:04:20] we'll talk during wikimania [13:05:04] awesome [13:11:19] sumanah: do you know of any wiki page about this summit? I was going to add red links to copy the notes, but couldn't find a page about the event. If there isn't any, I'll just create one. [13:11:32] guillom: no wiki page, because ... will pm [13:13:04] guillom: yeah, I say, go ahead & create one! [13:14:21] Lydia_WMDE: ^^^ [13:16:23] aand Etherpad's down [13:16:25] aude ^ [13:18:01] back, never mind. [13:18:12] Ooh, what's the applause about? [13:18:14] sumanah: sorry [13:18:33] just hit "reconnect" if it happens and it should work [13:18:41] * aude will optimized it later [13:19:40] no, sometimes I get a 503 Service Unavailable error, aude - Service Temporarily Unavailable [13:27:28] sumanah: hmm... [13:33:23] aude: I get the 503 error too [13:33:33] :/ [13:38:46] fiddling with the settings [13:41:30] * aude curious about putting our wiki and drupal behind nginx and if it would work well enough (vs. apache). nginx is better for etherpad [13:41:48] or to have both, but no time to fiddle that much now [13:45:04] aude: run nginx on a different port [13:45:11] Might be the simplest short term solution [13:46:30] Reedy: yeah [13:46:36] see if my fiddling worked [14:10:27] Strange request... Does anyone have any sort of bite cream or similar? [14:52:04] Daniel_WMDE: How many of the core unit tests could we steal from that revision and put into core before? [14:52:07] Wondering if that might be worth doing [14:52:27] Revision, Title, Wikipage.. [14:53:46] Reedy: i already added a few to the core [14:54:03] Reedy: see if you find any more :) [14:56:44] hm... [15:03:54] Rarrgh [15:03:55] Notice: Use of undefined constant CONTENT_MODEL_WIKITEXT - assumed 'CONTENT_MODEL_WIKITEXT' in /var/www/wiki/mediawiki/core/tests/phpunit/includes/TitleMethodsTest.php on line 126 [15:22:06] hey edsu [15:23:17] remember we talked about real-time time series for wikipulse? [15:23:45] a colleague of mine just showed me cubism.js (built on top of d3): http://square.github.com/cubism/ [15:24:06] I thought that could do the job [18:12:35] DarTar: hi, yes [18:13:22] DarTar: i'll take a look, i've had cubism on my radar [18:15:33] DarTar: trick would be running wikipulse somewhere that we could have graphite or cube (mongodb) database running; don't think you can have those for free on heroku